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Post by sadie1263 on Oct 3, 2010 2:20:09 GMT
Ok......first of all......just ewwwwwwwwwwwww
2nd......the first time around....ok...so they say they didn't know.....understandable (I think).....but it seems someone should have put two and two together..........so I still don't really buy that story.....
after the DNA test......there is absolutely nothing that excuses it.....you have to love your children or even potential children more than you love yourself......and all this is about is what they want and their supposed needs. You don't have children that you know you are risking their health.......that's abhorrent. If you want to stay together......than don't have children.
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Post by gabriel on Oct 3, 2010 5:56:09 GMT
Ok......first of all......just ewwwwwwwwwwwww 2nd......the first time around....ok...so they say they didn't know.....understandable (I think).....but it seems someone should have put two and two together..........so I still don't really buy that story..... after the DNA test......there is absolutely nothing that excuses it.....you have to love your children or even potential children more than you love yourself......and all this is about is what they want and their supposed needs. You don't have children that you know you are risking their health.......that's abhorrent. If you want to stay together......than don't have children.Spot on.
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Post by trubble on Oct 3, 2010 21:06:28 GMT
I feel sorry for James and Maura. I don't think I could give up my soulmate and partner for eight years.
Health problems for the children are, of course, the only ''sin'' here but what are the statistics for problems in off-spring from half siblings? Anyone know? Perhaps not nearly as bad as we imagine?
Problems resulting from a couple of generations of inbreeding are documented, but this is not the case here. I bet there's more accidental inbreeding than we realise. It'll probably be fine.
As for the legal side, they are defying the law. How the law goes about catching them, I have no idea!
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Post by trubble on Oct 3, 2010 21:15:42 GMT
OK. Short version. Brother and sister copulate. Bad. Produce children. Even worse. Not good. I can't find a good spin on this. Why didn't the people who KNEW they were related speak up? They're just as bad by not speaking up and STOPPING the wedding ceremony. What a bunch of degenerate, cowardly ###***. You may be right. However, it looks to me as if it was more complicated than you give credit for. It looks to me as if despite conversations with the birth parents - the mother must have been living out her worst nightmare, it was her who spotted it - and despite suggestions that they should end the relationship, their love for each other was too strong. Remember, they already had a child by the time they found out, the worst scenario had already occured. Maybe the family of James and Maura are doing the right thing by supporting them?
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Post by sadie1263 on Oct 3, 2010 21:45:18 GMT
Like I said......fine.....stay together....but stop having children.
Also....how do they know that the connection they feel is truly a soul mate and not the love of a sibling. I would give my life for my sister. I damn sure wouldn't have sex with her. (I don't have a brother....so I can't compare)
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Post by trubble on Oct 4, 2010 8:29:58 GMT
I guess they don't know, but they have spent a long time living as if the connection is soulmate rathaer than sibling and I couldn't just erase that if I were them. Not forgetting that they were parents when they discovered the truth, they had one hell of a complicated situation to figure out, and they didn't plan a second child*. Difficult decisions all round. I hope they won't continue to have more children after this one but having decided to make a go of it I hope they will manage to make their family work happily and wish them all the best. I certainly don't want my police force to arrest them. I don't want to see them punished for being in an impossible situation. *source: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315307/Ive-married-sister--having-second-baby-Siblings-defied-law-plan-start-new-life-abroad.html
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Post by mouse on Oct 4, 2010 9:06:44 GMT
the liklyhood of any child of the union being affected is quite remote...it as has been said is the continual interbreeding ie were the next generation to interbreed..plus they are half siblings not full ones...and of course if the one parent they have in common had a strong genetic fault i can understand why they would stay to gether and have no problem with it...BUT breeding together is perhaps a little iresponsible.... one of the arguments against promiscuity and not knowing the parentage of ones children is of course is that acidental pairings happens.....especially in relativly static populations
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Post by gabriel on Oct 4, 2010 10:12:16 GMT
They share a parent. They had consensual sex. After the 1st time when they knew they were related they went ahead again to have another child. Sure, they're only half related but what if the genetic traits of the parent they share are toxic? They know that what they are doing is wrong. Legally it's wrong. Medically, from the children's point of view it is also wrong.
You look at that creature in Germany who raped his daughter repeatedly and she gave birth I don't know how many times. Or look at Fred West. Incest happens. It does. No matter what anyone says, if a brother and sister want to have sex they will.
My point is that these 2 knew they are related and continue to have kids.
I hope the kids don't present with abnormalities. For their sakes.
But there is a reason why you don't breed with close family.
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Post by mouse on Oct 4, 2010 11:08:21 GMT
the aboriginels of australia were very keen on not interbreeding..in fact all ancient tribal cultures were.....one of the reasons for raiding and the caputure of new women to add to the breeding stock... now if they were aware of the dangers why on earth do people in the 21st century think it right to go against nature..or perhaps its just that they chose to ignore selfishly having said that incest is quite a common ocurence more so than is generally talked about or acepted....the rate of sexual child abuse by family memebers is quite high...luckily not all results of incest result in a birth
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Post by Wonder Woman on Oct 4, 2010 17:53:08 GMT
Apparently, they didn't know they were related when she 1st became pregnant. So they said and you can only take their word for it. But they certainly knew before she fell pregnant again. They knew they were related but went for it. That's not an act of love. Or even lust, for that matter. That's just stupidity. And selfishness. It's selfish PERVERTED EVIL! This is WILLFUL PERVERSION! Sickening! Once they knew they should have PARTED for GOOD. That would have been the decent thing to do. By NOT doing that they show they HAVE NO DECENCY. Complete degenerate ###***. Unbeknownst to you, the man you're living with is your half brother. Leave him. Now.
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Post by Wonder Woman on Oct 4, 2010 17:58:22 GMT
Like I said......fine.....stay together....but stop having children. Also....how do they know that the connection they feel is truly a soul mate and not the love of a sibling. I would give my life for my sister. I damn sure wouldn't have sex with her. (I don't have a brother....so I can't compare) Used to be it was expected to keep it in the family, particularly with royalty. I'm curious how many generations of in-breeding it generally takes before there's a viable risk. BTW, having sex with your sister won't make babies, so go for it.
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Post by sadie1263 on Oct 4, 2010 23:01:10 GMT
Used to be it was expected to keep it in the family, particularly with royalty. I'm curious how many generations of in-breeding it generally takes before there's a viable risk. BTW, having sex with your sister won't make babies, so go for it. Oh yeah.....and look how a lot of royal families have turned out........that's enough to make you run screaming........ Love my sister....but again.....ewwwwwwwwwww
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Post by Wonder Woman on Oct 5, 2010 1:05:01 GMT
LOL ~ I wouldn't get down with my sister either but, look at the bright side ~ at least if you did you wouldn't have to worry about the offspring of the union.
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Post by gabriel on Oct 5, 2010 12:06:14 GMT
I don't have a sister. And even if I did that's not on. The Eygptian Pharoahs were pretty good at incest. They thought it kept their bloodlines pure. So they ended up with Akhenaten and Tutankhamen. This is Akhenaten. He was one seriously screwed up dude. His elongated skull, androngynous body. He passed these defects down to his kids - Tut and his his sister Ankhsenamun. And they married and their kids weren't carried to full term. Incest is wrong. Full stop. Half brother and sister it's still wrong.
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Post by mouse on Oct 5, 2010 12:29:02 GMT
the risk is there from the begining with two parent related siblings.......with half related siblings the risk is reduced much depends on the genetic inheritence from the parents...so untill either offsring are born with a genetic trait or reseach is done on the family traits no one knows quite what will pop up many years ago i knew of a family where the incest was traditional....the grandparents apeared normal..not overly bright but reasonable..next generation were deffo low iq...the next generation were low iq..very slow some verging on idiocy and all had eye problems and a couple had co-ordination problems ....and the last i heard they all had had various problems with health from what i have read it all depends on what the gene pool is to start off with....
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Post by Wonder Woman on Oct 5, 2010 14:04:42 GMT
Nowadays, how can one ever be sure you're not screwin' round with a relative? Seriously, people are imperfect and your parents may not be what they seem.
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Post by Synonym on Oct 5, 2010 14:23:55 GMT
Is society as a whole disadvantaged more by children with genetic conditions, or children who have been raised in less than ideal circumstances such as absent fathers or single-parent families and whatnot?
Seems to me that anyone who ever indulges in baby-making sex without either checking that they are infertile or firmly committing to aborting any unwanted procreation, is taking a risk. Obviously the least risk of all is when it is taking place between a very very committed and loving couple, bot how many people can claim to only ever had sex in these circumstances? Never a one night-stand, casual sex, sex with someone you've only been going out with for a few weeks, etc etc, without first checking those two? Not too many in this day and age I would have thought. Sex largely is 'selfish', in that regard.
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 5, 2010 16:46:58 GMT
Nowadays, how can one ever be sure you're not screwin' round with a relative? Seriously, people are imperfect and your parents may not be what they seem. There ARE DNA paternity tests, thank God. If people have any doubts, thank God for this technology! There's also non-paternity genetic testing.
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 5, 2010 16:49:14 GMT
It's selfish PERVERTED EVIL! This is WILLFUL PERVERSION! Sickening! Once they knew they should have PARTED for GOOD. That would have been the decent thing to do. By NOT doing that they show they HAVE NO DECENCY. Complete degenerate ###***. Unbeknownst to you, the man you're living with is your half brother. Leave him. Now. Your "joke" isn't funny and never will be.
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Post by pumpkinette on Oct 5, 2010 16:49:58 GMT
LOL ~ I wouldn't get down with my sister either but, look at the bright side ~ at least if you did you wouldn't have to worry about the offspring of the union. Incest is evil no matter what. It doesn't matter if the people get pregnant or NOT. It's evil: end of story.
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