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Post by mouse on Aug 31, 2010 14:30:44 GMT
Spirituality for me is better served by a walk in the woods, watching a bee collect pollen from a sunflower, playing with a child or helping those in need. absolutely one of the most spiritual moments of my life was an icey cold christmas eve at a friends place high on the moors when i had gone out side for a smoke 10 to 12..bitterly cold with the snow and a deep hoare frost...the most beautiful stary night ..the moon lit up the surrounding moors and from below came the church bells from the churches in the valley calling the faithful to prayer...i dashed in and told the others who came out and we just stood in total silence drinking in the beauty of the night ....it was a wonderful never to be forgotton experience and we stood and there.. all of us ..athiests,,agnostics..muslim ..hindu..jew ...dont cares and not interested......all of us touched by the spirituality of that brief moment in time
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Post by june on Aug 31, 2010 18:06:20 GMT
i only put the christian side because in every thread about islam we get ""ah but the wicked christians did this that or t,other...... So, start a thread about how bad Christianity is - nobody here ever does, for some reason - and then we can all counter with examples of Islamic badness. How about that? Not true - I've started two recently and was called a bigoted hypocrite for my troubles ;D ;D
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Post by fretslider on Aug 31, 2010 18:13:59 GMT
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Post by Big Lin on Aug 31, 2010 19:02:04 GMT
So, start a thread about how bad Christianity is - nobody here ever does, for some reason - and then we can all counter with examples of Islamic badness. How about that? Do you wear a burka, Jean? "Re: Pope facing arrest if he visits Britain « Reply #6 on Apr 19, 2010, 9:26pm » that fucking old bastard was all for covering that child molesting shit up to "protect the church's good reputation" .. freakin criminal behavior and quite eye opening ... eff the pope and his armies of child molestors .." Perhaps you should read a bit more Well, Fret, in answer to your question when I told you off about the tone of your post. look at the post I was complaining about. You begin by making a sarcastic personal remark about Jean which is NOT acceptable in itself. Then you make a personal attack on the Pope which makes even me (who grew up in a household where it was normal to hear the expression 'fuck the Pope') think twice. You add to it by a lot of unnecessary swearing. If you haven't got the self-criticism to see what you've done wrong I'll just have to waste my time editing your post since you obviously either can't SEE that it's offensive or you can't be bothered to make the necessary changes yourself. I'm very disappointed with your reaction.
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Post by jean on Aug 31, 2010 19:38:06 GMT
Did fret write the post he was quoting?
He didn't give a link, so I can't tell.
But the point I was making was that though there have been threads attacking Catholicism and perhaps the more deranged forms of Christianity, they don't go on for pages and pages like the Islam ones.
And I don't remember one that comprehensively attacked Christianity in all its forms.
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Post by mouse on Aug 31, 2010 20:14:49 GMT
Did fret write And I don't remember one that comprehensively attacked Christianity in all its forms. and sharia
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Post by fretslider on Aug 31, 2010 20:28:50 GMT
Do you wear a burka, Jean? "Re: Pope facing arrest if he visits Britain « Reply #6 on Apr 19, 2010, 9:26pm » that fucking old bastard was all for covering that child molesting shit up to "protect the church's good reputation" .. freakin criminal behavior and quite eye opening ... eff the pope and his armies of child molestors .." Perhaps you should read a bit more Well, Fret, in answer to your question when I told you off about the tone of your post. look at the post I was complaining about. You begin by making a sarcastic personal remark about Jean which is NOT acceptable in itself. Then you make a personal attack on the Pope which makes even me (who grew up in a household where it was normal to hear the expression 'fuck the Pope') think twice. You add to it by a lot of unnecessary swearing. If you haven't got the self-criticism to see what you've done wrong I'll just have to waste my time editing your post since you obviously either can't SEE that it's offensive or you can't be bothered to make the necessary changes yourself. I'm very disappointed with your reaction. Well Lin Lets look at that post..... I asked a question. I did not criticise the pope: MoDAWG did. It was her reply I referenced. If you don't like her swearing you should take it up with her, or edit her post. You do see the difference, don't you. I haven't done anything wrong, but what the hell I make a pretty good bad guy
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Post by fretslider on Aug 31, 2010 20:29:54 GMT
Did fret write the post he was quoting? He didn't give a link, so I can't tell. But the point I was making was that though there have been threads attacking Catholicism and perhaps the more deranged forms of Christianity, they don't go on for pages and pages like the Islam ones. And I don't remember one that comprehensively attacked Christianity in all its forms. No, he didn't. biglinmarshall.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=religion&action=display&thread=1359 Reply #6 PS Congrats, Jean.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 31, 2010 20:30:40 GMT
Did fret write the post he was quoting? He didn't give a link, so I can't tell. But the point I was making was that though there have been threads attacking Catholicism and perhaps the more deranged forms of Christianity, they don't go on for pages and pages like the Islam ones. And I don't remember one that comprehensively attacked Christianity in all its forms. Dearest Jean, I don't think that there is an intent here to vilify all forms of Islam. Perhaps some of the posting and language is careless.
The inquisition and the crusades were carried out in the name of Christianity. Nowadays you have to go down a lot of dark alleys to find someone who calls him/herself a Christian and approves of Torquemada's methods!
For most people anyone who claims to be a Christian or a Muslim is one. It's not really fair! If fanatical false "Christians" flew hijacked planes into buildings, etc..then Christianity would get a bad rap.
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Post by jean on Aug 31, 2010 20:31:16 GMT
So, start a thread about how bad Christianity is - nobody here ever does, for some reason - and then we can all counter with examples of Islamic badness. How about that? Not true - I've started two recently and was called a bigoted hypocrite for my troubles ;D ;D I thought they were specifically about Catholicism.
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Post by fretslider on Aug 31, 2010 20:50:29 GMT
Did fret write the post he was quoting? He didn't give a link, so I can't tell. But the point I was making was that though there have been threads attacking Catholicism and perhaps the more deranged forms of Christianity, they don't go on for pages and pages like the Islam ones. And I don't remember one that comprehensively attacked Christianity in all its forms. The truth is Religion per se is for the mentally deficient.
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Post by fretslider on Aug 31, 2010 21:02:55 GMT
Gosh, wow. Who'd have thunk it? I believe they are actually allowed to lead prayers too - but only for women of course. Couldn't have them leading prayers for men now could we? Not if you're religious, no
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Post by Big Lin on Aug 31, 2010 21:16:21 GMT
Did fret write And I don't remember one that comprehensively attacked Christianity in all its forms. and sharia There have been LOADS of posts that comprehensively attack shari'ah in all its forms.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Aug 31, 2010 22:17:46 GMT
Thanks Lin. As I said I am not convinced....especially as you countered my question on Islam with Christians behaving badly, which is no answer as your post was about Shariah. As I said, if Muslims are supposed to think for themselves there should be no need for edicts about anything being mandatory or forbidden. As to Catholicism, I have no time for it. It is as bad as Islam in its attitude to women. They are just different sorts of bad. Fundamental protestantism sucks too. In fact, I cannot think of any organised religion I would give the time of day to. While individual followers may be very worthy people, when you turn to organised religion and its leaders whether it be mosque or church there is far too much cant, far too much dogma, far too much hypocrisy, far too much earthly wealth (often), far too little empathy and far too little genuine compassion. Spirituality for me is better served by a walk in the woods, watching a bee collect pollen from a sunflower, playing with a child or helping those in need. Totally agree with Firedancer. This is how I see religion. Even the most modern Protestant religions are quick to solicit contributions and they stay on that theme. The pressure you to attend church. Then they pressure you to join (become a member). Then they pressure you to contribute $$$. Then they pressure you to commit to a regular monthy contribution. They use the funds that they're able to extract from their members to build large expensive structures that they call churches. The most successful have huge congregations and incredibly large budgets. Lakewood Church in Houston is a really good example of this. They bought the former Basketball stadium from the Houston Rocket's NBA team and they're calling it a church. Take a look here www.lakewood.cc/pages/home.aspxThese folks are in the extortion business and they're protected by law. They don't have to pay any taxes. Why would any professional con man choose any other sort of cover than "preacher?" He can con anyone and everyone. He can't be arrested. He can't be taxed. He's home free.
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Post by june on Aug 31, 2010 22:29:54 GMT
Not true - I've started two recently and was called a bigoted hypocrite for my troubles ;D ;D I thought they were specifically about Catholicism. Are Catholics not Christian - quick someone tell the Pope!
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Post by mouse on Sept 1, 2010 6:21:41 GMT
and sharia There have been LOADS of posts that comprehensively attack shari'ah in all its forms. and quite right too...plenty to attack.. but i was wondering when we were going to get back to sharia
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Post by jean on Sept 1, 2010 7:10:55 GMT
I thought they were specifically about Catholicism. Are Catholics not Christian - quick someone tell the Pope! Yes, of course - but not all Christians are Catholics. (Didn't you notice that I said 'specifically'?)
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Post by mouse on Sept 1, 2010 10:25:38 GMT
no body comming in suport of sharia ....the silence is deafening
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Post by fretslider on Sept 1, 2010 11:32:31 GMT
and sharia There have been LOADS of posts that comprehensively attack shari'ah in all its forms. Quite right, too.
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Post by Big Lin on Sept 1, 2010 13:28:36 GMT
What do you mean by 'supporting' shari'ah?
It's possible to agree with aspects of almost ANY religious or political belief.
I can see the good side of Nazism and Communism even though overall I reject and hate both.
In the same way I can see lots of good things in shar'iah.
Anyone can focus on the negative aspects and make them out to be the ONLY aspects.
I'll post more later because I'm going out shopping but basically you have to try to understand your opponent's arguments because if you don't you can't answer them properly and all you can do is shout and name-call.
Most of what gets said about shari'ah and Muslims generally on this board is one of three things:
totally untrue half-truths magnified into the whole truth choosing the opinions and behaviour of extremists and representing them as being mainstream.
Do the Ku Klux Klan represent mainstream Christianity?
Nor do the Muslim extremists.
For instance, 9/11 is specifically CONTRARY to the Qur'an.
So too is suicide bombing.
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