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Post by cammie on Mar 12, 2009 8:11:42 GMT
Good post Anna! Some are on the white path but get off on the wrong exits, get lost, then find their way back.
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Post by mikemarshall on Mar 12, 2009 12:48:38 GMT
Welcome back, Cammie!
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Post by Ben Lomond on Mar 12, 2009 17:00:57 GMT
I believe the existance of humans on earth is to learn spiritual lessons with each reincarnated lifetime until we are spiritually elevated enough to reside in heaven with our Creator. Yeah. But who would want to live in heaven with such a cruel and manifestly racist creator? Or on a more practical note, who in their right mind can actually believe in reincarnation? Whatever you are smoking must be pretty good shit!
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Post by lawrence on Mar 21, 2009 17:04:10 GMT
In a life of contentment, comfort and ease... what possible spiritual lessons would one learn? Perhaps it is the more diffficult, the hardest, most tramatic lives that are endured under grace that lay evidence of true faith and spiritual growth. We make mistakes, so that we can have better experiences.
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Post by mikemarshall on Mar 27, 2009 1:34:15 GMT
But if we do not learn from our mistakes, we are perpetually doomed to create a world of ever increasing misery!
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Post by trubble on Mar 30, 2009 6:43:42 GMT
~ Kurt Vonnegut
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Post by tg on Apr 28, 2009 19:40:17 GMT
I believe the existance of humans on earth is to learn spiritual lessons with each reincarnated lifetime until we are spiritually elevated enough to reside in heaven with our Creator. I am almost afraid to contribute to this thread since I've just joined and have no wish to offend. However I have to ask, do you really believe this? I mean any of it? Specifially. What leads you to believe that we are here to learn spiritual lessons? I struggle at all levels with the idea of a 'ghost in the machine' or any kind of dualism. What leads you to believe in reincarnation? Heaven and creator? Do you honestly subscribe to a teleological view of the world with Paley and his Watchmaker?
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Post by june on Apr 28, 2009 19:49:01 GMT
I'm here to Do a little dance, make a little love, Get down tonight.
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Post by alanseago on Apr 28, 2009 19:53:23 GMT
Just keep buying the CDs and DVDs from the nice Southern Evangelist on Reality TV. You cannot go wrong. you don't even have to play them, just buy them. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a TV Evangelist to go bankrupt.
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 28, 2009 19:55:01 GMT
I am here specifically as a result of the particular date, time and year my parents made love.
If they'd made love 4 weeks before, or 4 weeks after (and maybe they did but i don't like to think about it) then it would be somebody else who would be here not me.
It was just a random accident that I was the particular egg and particular sperm that got together that night . . .there were millions of sperm, but only one egg, but it's still a pretty random thing to actually have been created. Most people aren't. (if you follow me.)
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Post by tg on Apr 28, 2009 20:00:08 GMT
there were millions of sperm, but only one egg, but it's still a pretty random thing to actually have been created. Most people aren't. (if you follow me.) Good grief, you are right. So, we are all winners but when I look around at some people I know, I hate to think what the sperm that didn't make it would have created.
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Post by randomvioce on Apr 28, 2009 20:08:07 GMT
If they'd made love 4 weeks before, or 4 weeks after (and maybe they did but i don't like to think about it) then it would be somebody else who would be here not me. But is that true though? Maybe you would still be you. After all, you are more than just one sperm and a single ova? You are a whole bunch of things that happened over a life time, not just a point in time that you parents hooked up. You must be everything that has or could have have influenced your up bringing and existence.
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Post by randomvioce on Apr 28, 2009 20:09:25 GMT
Good grief, you are right. So, we are all winners but when I look around at some people I know, I hate to think what the sperm that didn't make it would have created. No, it is not the sperm, it is the human conditions that create people.
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Post by tg on Apr 28, 2009 20:16:50 GMT
Good grief, you are right. So, we are all winners but when I look around at some people I know, I hate to think what the sperm that didn't make it would have created. No, it is not the sperm, it is the human conditions that create people. It was a lighthearted comment made in the context of riotgrrl's post. What do you mean by 'human conditions'?
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Post by Liberator on Apr 28, 2009 20:19:37 GMT
Oh, we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere because we're 'ere .....
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Post by tg on Apr 28, 2009 20:28:10 GMT
If they'd made love 4 weeks before, or 4 weeks after (and maybe they did but i don't like to think about it) then it would be somebody else who would be here not me. But is that true though? Maybe you would still be you. After all, you are more than just one sperm and a single ova? You are a whole bunch of things that happened over a life time, not just a point in time that you parents hooked up. You must be everything that has or could have have influenced your up bringing and existence. Is it not the case that meioisis causes every sperm cell to be different? So, unless you are a blank slate theorist prepared to rule out the genetic aspect of what makes us what we are, she is correct.
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 28, 2009 20:32:14 GMT
Nature v nurture ..
But I would still be me, same name, same family background, etc. regardless of my upbringing. I'd just be a different me, like my evil twin or something.
Personalities are definitely heavily shaped by your childhood and environment, but they are also heavily shaped by your DNA. I wouldn't have a clue which was more influential.
The 'correct' way to think these days is that homosexuals were born homosexuals. Equally however, the 'correct' way to think is that sex monsters were shaped by horrendous childhood experiences.
Both these things cannot be equally true, but both are the current received wisdom of civilised society.
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Post by june on Apr 28, 2009 20:43:02 GMT
Nature v nurture .. But I would still be me, same name, same family background, etc. regardless of my upbringing. I'd just be a different me, like my evil twin or something. Personalities are definitely heavily shaped by your childhood and environment, but they are also heavily shaped by your DNA. I wouldn't have a clue which was more influential. The 'correct' way to think these days is that homosexuals were born homosexuals. Equally however, the 'correct' way to think is that sex monsters were shaped by horrendous childhood experiences. Both these things cannot be equally true, but both are the current received wisdom of civilised society. I think you need to have a Goatee to be an official evil twin
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Post by june on Apr 28, 2009 20:48:28 GMT
Nature v nurture .. But I would still be me, same name, same family background, etc. regardless of my upbringing. I'd just be a different me, like my evil twin or something. Personalities are definitely heavily shaped by your childhood and environment, but they are also heavily shaped by your DNA. I wouldn't have a clue which was more influential. The 'correct' way to think these days is that homosexuals were born homosexuals. Equally however, the 'correct' way to think is that sex monsters were shaped by horrendous childhood experiences. Both these things cannot be equally true, but both are the current received wisdom of civilised society. I can see how both can be true when you look at sexuality being pre determined but that sexual preference being a reaction to your upbringing. Without even going into sexual crime not being about sex, we need to consider that there is a choice about committing a violent sexual act (sex offenders have 'normal relationships' so violence does not need to be present to allow sex to happen), whereas most homosexuals cannot get a rise with the wrong gender.
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Post by randomvioce on Apr 28, 2009 20:52:09 GMT
Both these things cannot be equally true, but both are the current received wisdom of civilised society. Why not? Surely you accept that your childhood shapes who you become and how you act? By the same token, sexual attraction must be pretty much hardwired.
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