Natalie Holloway All Over Again

[gg]

Remember Joran Van der Sloot?

Now a woman in Peru was last seen with him before being murdered and he is the prime suspect once again.

abcnews.go.com/International/TheLaw/joran-van-der-loot-prime-suspect-natalee-holloway/story?id=10807407


He was arrested twice for Natalie's murder and got off- maybe they can get him this time

[♫anna♫]

The predator should have been in prison after what he (it) did with Natalie Holloway!

[alanseago]

In most civilised countries, proof is more important than emotion.

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Jun 2, 2010 20:08:24 GMT alanseago said:

In most civilised countries, proof is more important than emotion.

good luck trying to get my sweetheart Anna to not be emotional.

look at some law books- innocent until proven guilty only applies to the 12 jurors. Not to the judge, the prosecutor, the defense attorney, or the public.

and as far as a civilized country- I don't know of one still in existence anymore.

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

Amazing how often sex criminals repeat prior offenses. Joran Van der Sloot comes from a rich family which has given him the ability to travel the world at a young age. He was in Peru for a poker tournament. His father's wealth also gave him the best lawyers enabling him to cheat the system. I wonder how many more young women will die before the judicial system stops presuming this guy is innocent?

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

Joran Van der Sloot was captured in Chile on Wednesday and has since been flown back to Peru. He will be tried and convicted in Peru. They have plenty of evidence to put him away for 35 years. According to a prominent Lima attorney, he will go to Lurigancho prison.

Here is an article describing inmate conditions in that prison. It is nothing like any other prision. Read this article to see what Joran is going to be facing. It is an interesting read.

findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0999/is_7228_320/ai_59210163/

[sadie1263]

Don't they have proof that he was trying to get money to tell where the body of Natalie Holloway was also?

His big shot father is deceased now also (I believe) going to be a lot tougher to get out of this one!!

[♫anna♫]

Spanish and Dutch language newspapers are reporting that this creep confessed to murdering the Peruvian woman Stephany Flores Ramirez! This is all i could find in English!
pokerroomreview.com/poker-news/7113-van-der-sloot-confesses-murders/ QUOTE:
Poker Player Van der Sloot Confesses to Holloway, Flores Murders

June 4, 2010 by Mark Christopher · 2 Comments

According to reports out of Amsterdam, murder suspect Joran van der Sloot confessed to Dutch poker buddies that he is responsible for the death of Stephany Flores Ramirez, admitting that he had done “something bad” in regards to the murder of the 21-year-old woman last Sunday in his room at Peru’s Hotel Tac. In a recent DeTelegraaf article, Van der Sloot has allegedly also remained in contact with his “friend”, Jaap Amesz, a Dutch reality show contestant and self-professed media whore.

Last year, Amesz, conducted a polygraph interview with Van der Sloot in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago. Without directly revealing the results of the polygraph test, Amesz admits that he wanted to “scream from my lungs how that went and what happened”. Further indications of Van der Sloot’s involvement in the disappearance of Holloway are evident when Amesz says that the suspected muderer was so arrogant as to believe he could pass the polygraph, suggesting that Van der Sloot considers himself to be a “master liar.”

In 2008, Van der Sloot was captured in a hidden camera interview, admitting that he had used a pay phone to call a friend in Aruba, asking the unidentified companion to dump Holloway’s body in the sea. In the interview, the pot-smoking Van der Sloot, duped into believing that Dutch television crime reporter Peter de Vries was his friend, offered that Holloway’s body would never be found, adding with a smirk that “the ocean is big”.

At the time of Flores murder, Van der Sloot was in Peru, supposedly to participate in the PokerStars Latin America Poker Tour event being held at the Atlantic City Casino in Lima. The young woman, according to friends, was at the same casino where the two met and played poker together. They were last seen together leaving the casino at approximately 4:00am on the morning of May 30. Stephany’s body was later found in the room registered to Van der Sloot and the autopsy revealed blunt trauma and stab wounds. Van der Sloot was subsequently arrested by Chilean police en route from the coastal resort of Viña del Mar to Santiago.

The young murder suspect is believed to have played poker online over the past several years, using the alias “AANOTILTKK” at the popular Internet card room Party Poker. Some reports suggest that he also played at Titan Poker using the nickname “Joran888″ as well as various other online poker rooms. It is doubtful that Van der Sloot will have many future opportunities for fun and games as he is now being handed over to Peruvian officials as the prime suspect in the death of Stephany Flores.

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

There was so much evidence against Joran van der Sloot in Aruba that I was convinced there had to have been some payoffs and bribes. The prosecutor just waived off all the compelling evidence especially that video tape. Why would he do that? (hint: $$$$$$).

[♫anna♫]

It's offical! The "whatever" confessed to the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru! Hope the *%§# will finally also confess in public to the Natalie Holloway killing!
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37542848/ns/world_news-americas/ QUOTE:
Official: Van der Sloot confesses to Peru slaying
'I did not want to do it,' paper quotes Natalee Holloway suspect as saying
NBC News and news services
updated 11:17 a.m. ET June 8, 2010

LIMA, Peru - Joran van der Sloot confessed to the slaying of a 21-year-old woman in a Lima hotel room, a high-ranking Peruvian government official told NBC News on Monday.

According to La Republica newspaper, van der Sloot said he broke Stephany Flores' neck after she grabbed his laptop without his permission and found out that he was involved in the disappearance of an American woman.

The paper quoted van der Sloot as saying, "I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life... she didn't have any right. I went to her and I hit her. She was scared, we argued and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck and hit her."

NBC News reported that a lawmaker confirmed that van der Sloot confessed to a police officer during interrogation. However, the source did not know the circumstances under which the confession was allegedly obtained.

The Dutchman — also the prime suspect in U.S. teen Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance in Aruba — is suspected of killing Flores, a business student who police say he met playing poker at a casino, on May 30 — five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

On Saturday, police released video taken by security cameras at the hotel where van der Sloot had been staying since arriving from Colombia on May 14. It shows Flores and van der Sloot entering his room together and the Dutchman leaving alone four hours later.

The woman's battered body was found on the hotel room's floor more than two days later, her neck broken. Van der Sloot had by then crossed into Chile, where he was arrested Thursday.

Natalee Holloway, of Alabama, hasn't been seen since May 30, 2005. Van der Sloot was arrested and released in that case, but faced no charges.

'End of the line'
Dave Holloway, Natalee Holloway's father, told ABC's "Good Morning America" Tuesday that he hoped van der Sloot would reveal what happened to his daughter and said search teams were standing by to look for her body.

"He's confessed to this one," Holloway said of Flores' death, "and I'd like for him to tell everyone what happened."

"I would just like to say that, you know, all the pain and suffering that we've gone through, hopefully justice is served this time," he added, speaking to the show by telephone. "We're hoping this is the end of the line for him."

Van der Sloot was charged Thursday in the United States with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway's family in exchange for disclosing the location of her body and describing how she died.

U.S. prosecutors say $15,000 was transferred to a Dutch bank account in his name. In the Netherlands on Friday, prosecutors raided two homes in the case, seizing computers, cell phones and data-storage devices.

Holloway told ABC that only his ex-wife Beth Twitty had been told about the case by the FBI until shortly before the charges were made public.

"That was handled by the FBI and I knew nothing about it. I think the only person that was involved in this incident was Beth. The FBI indicated that only the people involved in it should know," Holloway told ABC.

Holloway described the Flores murder as being like "deja vu."

Holloway, 18, was celebrating her high school graduation on Aruba when she disappeared. Van der Sloot told investigators he left her on a beach, drunk. This was the last time she was seen.

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying that after Holloway collapsed on the beach he asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.

The same journalist, Peter de Vries, reported later in 2008 that van der Sloot was recruiting Thai women in Bangkok for sex work in the Netherlands.

Van der Sloot's father, a former judge and attorney on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba, died in February.

After Van der Sloot traveled from Chile to Peru in a police caravan Saturday, he was paraded, sheathed in bulletproof vest and handcuffed, before reporters at criminal police headquarters in Lima.

He was then submitted to an initial interrogation. A judge subsequently granted prosecutors' request to extend van der Sloot's preliminary detention order seven more days, said Gamboa, the national police spokesman.

If tried and convicted of murder, van der Sloot faces a potential prison term of 35 years.

Police planned to take him back to the hotel where Flores' body was found to participate in a reconstruction of the events leading to her slaying, Col. Abel Gamarra, head of the Information Directorate of Police, told The Associated Press.

Members of van der Sloot's family, including his mother, were planning to travel to Lima on Tuesday, a lawmaker told NBC News.

Earlier denial
Chilean police had said previously that van der Sloot declared himself innocent in the Lima slaying, but said he had acknowledged having met Flores.

Dutch Embassy chief consular officer Angela Lowe said her government was providing van der Sloot with "regular consular assistance, which means an occasional consular visit, and we will make sure he is being treated decently, just like any other inmate."

She said Peruvian authorities have assured the Dutch government they are treating him well. "They are taking this case very seriously," she added. "The world is watching."

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

Anna - I doubt that he will confess to the Aruba killing. I'm sure his Peru confession happened because his lawyer advised him that confessing usually will get you a shorter sentence in Peru. He can also get time off for good behavior. This killer could be back on the streets in 7 to 15 years.

[♫anna♫]

Jun 9, 2010 0:40:25 GMT DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) said:

Anna - I doubt that he will confess to the Aruba killing. I'm sure his Peru confession happened because his lawyer advised him that confessing usually will get you a shorter sentence in Peru. He can also get time off for good behavior. This killer could be back on the streets in 7 to 15 years.

Dearest Das!
If this creep corresponds to the "worst of the worst" you're absolutely right! The creep probably only confessed because the Peruvian prosecutors had a slam dunk case and the Peruvians don't have a 5th admendment to abuse! Concealing a heinous crime is punishable in Peru!

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

Based on what I've read about Peruvian prisons, the convicts must have money to survive. If someone offers $50 for a prison killing the takers will line up and compete to get the contract. The girl's father has $50.

[iamjumbo]

Jun 9, 2010 22:11:13 GMT DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) said:

Based on what I've read about Peruvian prisons, the convicts must have money to survive. If someone offers $50 for a prison killing the takers will line up and compete to get the contract. The girl's father has $50.

which is a wonderful thing. hopefully, this garbage will never leave prison alive

[sadie1263]

I have heard....I believe on the Today Show....that they get consideration for confessing and he could serve a very short time. Does anyone know or have any idea what kind of sentencing they have in Peru?

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

Sadie - I heard a news report that he could be sentenced to a little as fifteen years. That's because he confessed and he's describing this as a crime of passion based on anger of the moment rather than a premeditated murder. Peru has time off for good behavior so he could be out in 7.5 years when he's still not 30 years old. Better lock up your daughters if this guy gets out that soon.

[sadie1263]

OK.....so now he is saying he knows where Holloway's body is and will talk to Aruban authorities.......I don't buy anything this guy is selling. I think he wants special treatment and is going to throw anything out there in hope that it will get it for him.

[sadie1263]

Jun 10, 2010 1:01:38 GMT DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) said:

Sadie - I heard a news report that he could be sentenced to a little as fifteen years. That's because he confessed and he's describing this as a crime of passion based on anger of the moment rather than a premeditated murder. Peru has time off for good behavior so he could be out in 7.5 years when he's still not 30 years old. Better lock up your daughters if this guy gets out that soon.

Wow.......that's incredible........so someone probably told him that and that's why he suddenly confessed.........I didn't think he had a conscious.

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

This guy was undeniably a ladies man who could pick them up at a bar and take them back to his hotel room the same night.

He has traveled the world over the past five years since the Natalie Holloway incident having spent time in Thailand, Holland, Aruba, and Peru.

I think the police in those places should be looking into unsolved murder cases involving young women.

[beth]

Jun 10, 2010 1:01:38 GMT DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) said:

Sadie - I heard a news report that he could be sentenced to a little as fifteen years. That's because he confessed and he's describing this as a crime of passion based on anger of the moment rather than a premeditated murder. Peru has time off for good behavior so he could be out in 7.5 years when he's still not 30 years old. Better lock up your daughters if this guy gets out that soon.

That possibility seems very wrong to me. Crime of Passion, eh? Does that equal out to the same as manslaughter?

Will he be charged with the extortion in the U. S.? If so, he might receive a longer sentence here.

[sadie1263]

Hear he's trying to cut some deal to get transferred back to Aruba by saying he will tell where Natalie Holloway is..............guess he doesn't like his current accommodations.

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

I read that too Sadie, but I doubt that will happen. This case has gotten to be a big deal in Peru. The public is on the case.

If he's able to bribe his way out, or purchase a ticket to Aruba (where he most likely bought freedom previously), there would be a major public backlash in Peru.

[iamjumbo]

it's conceivable that if the punk had picked some peasant girl to murder, that might happen. this girl's family if fairly prominent though, and the clown is as good as dead, thankfully

[sadie1263]

Van Der Sloot's Mother Finally has something to say...........

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"Joran is sick in his head, but he wanted no help," Anita van der Slot said, breaking her silence on the case in an interview published Saturday in the Dutch daily newspaper De Telegraaf (The Telegraph).

Anita van der Sloot said she won't visit her 22-year-old son in his Peruvian prison cell, where he is awaiting trial in the May 30 killing of Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel room. His cell is next to that of a reputed Colombian hit man.

He is also still the chief suspect in the 2005 disappearance and presumed death in Aruba of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, though he has never been charged.

"If he did this, he must bear the consequences. I can not embrace him," Anita van der Sloot said. She claims that her son was in recent years developed severe mental problems. " His departure to Peru was a flight to escape being committed to a clinic."

A few weeks ago Anita van der Sloot, said, she found a note from her son: "I'm gone, do not worry." The next time she saw him was on TV, handcuffed by the Peruvian police after his arrest.

For years, she said, she believed Joran when he protested his innocence. "I felt he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005. He had left her on the beach. I still believe that. " But, she also says: " Stephany, he may have killed."

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37802494/ns/world_news-americas/

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Wow.......she won't go see him........and she thinks he did kill this one.........the article goes on to say that he hasn't gotten any calls from anybody........I'm guessing maybe Dad was the only one that liked him??

What does this say about the whole family structure? Are there any other kids in the family.....I don't guess I have ever heard?

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

I really admire his mother for having the strength to back off. He's already ruined his life, Natalie's life, and Stephany's life.

I'm sure her maternal instincts are urging her to rush to his side. But there would be no positive result from that, only emotional and financial loss. Better to cut the cord now.

Good for her.