Natalie Holloway All Over Again

[♫anna♫]

I too admire how some mothers, fathers and family members will disown a predator! Blood is thicker than water, but evil is evil!

[sadie1263]

So.....was it the father that enabling this kid?

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

Sadie asked, "So.....was it the father that enabling this kid?"

What we know about the father is that he did rush to his son's side in the Natalie Holloway incident. He hired a prominent NYC attorney for him.

In one of his subsequent interviews Joran also said his father helped him bury the body. Of course, Joran told so many conflicting stories it's hard to know which to believe.

We also know that the Aruba prosecutors backed off the case and ignored new evidence including that condemning video that was virtually a confession. And we know that the father was an official in the Aruba Court system. And we know that bribery is rampant in almost every caribbean and Latin American government. His father had high level contacts inside Aruba's justice system. Was there payola?? You decide.

[sadie1263]

Makes me wonder if the rest of the family always knew what the kid was........and the father just always protected him.

Does make me wonder how involved the father might have been with the Holloway case. I hate to think a father would go as far as to hide a body for his son......but it sure seems it might have gone that far........definitely kept his son from having to face the consequences.....no doubt about that.

Don't remember the mother ever uttering a peep before........strange family dynamics going on.

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

The mother sounds like the clear headed one to me. She was quoted as saying Joran is sick in the head and she's not going to visit him in prison because she 'just can't embrace him.'

Family ties are very close for most of us. Offering support for your own children is basic to parenting.

But what if your kid is found to be a serial rapist who murders his victims (and there is no doubt about his guilt)? Do you: 1. Go into denial, buy his line of BS, and proclaim that he is innocent, or 2. Offer some support in the form of legal and financial assistance but keep him at arms length while the legal processes unfold. In other words, consider him innocent until proven guilty by law but, at the same time, acknowledging the overwhelming evidence; or 3. Cut the cord and distance yourself from him offering no support.

I think each parent would have a difficult time with decisions like that. But, in the case of Joran, I think option 3 is in order.

[sadie1263]

Saw a story somewhere on the net....where the Vegas oddsmakers aren't even taking bets on how long he will stay alive in that prison..........might be a good thing that Mom doesn't seem to attached.

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

If you get the National Geographic TV channel on cable or satellite, there is a special on the world's worst prisons airing on June 24th. Check your TV guide for the time in your area.

channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3144/Photos#tab-Overview

[sadie1263]

The little weasel has taken his confession back!!! He didn't mean it......he didn't know what he was signing......he just wanted to go home............

Haven't we gone thru this stuff before........he did it....he didn't.....depended on who was interviewing him..........you know.........what is the deal with this idiot.

[DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)]

Well Sadie, the bad news is you can bribe your way out of most anything in Peru. The good news is that his mother appears to have cut him off from any family funds. The really good news is that the dead girl's father has more money than Joran and he knows how the system works in Peru.

They're keeping him isolated in a separate cell now alongside a Columbian drug hit man. If either one of those two would be released to the general population their life expectancy would be short.

I don't think the Peruvian justice system or prison system administrators want any bad publicity so they'll probably keep him isolated for a year or two.

Taking back his confession means little because they have a ton of evidence including videos of traffic in and out of the hotel room where the girl was murdered.

[sadie1263]

Ok......the idiot has a new attorney that is suing the other attorney to try and get his confession thrown out. Didn't they already rule on that? Who is paying for this? The family has ditched him, right?

[♫anna♫]

news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978701689 QUOTE:
Natalee Holloway Jawbone possibly found near Phoenix Hotel on Aruba Beach
November 17, 2010 12:31 AM EST

Recent reports have speculated that part of the body of murdered high school senior Natalie Holloway has been found in the form of a jawbone. The potential Natalee Holloway bone was discovered near the Phoenix Hotel located on an Aruba Beach. Could this be the evidence needed to finally solve this case, giving Beth Holloway peace of mind?
Beth Holloway, whose daughter Natalee disappeared five years ago in Aruba, speaks at the launch of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC), a non-profit resource center created to assist the families of missing persons founded by Holloway and the National Museum of Crime & Punishment, in Washington June 8, 2010. Joran Van der Sloot, linked to the mysterious disappearance of Natalee in Aruba, has confessed to the murder of a female student in Peru, police said on Tuesday. Van der Sloot was arrested twice in the Holloway case, which was much publicized in the United States, but he was never charged due to insufficient evidence. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts (UNITED STATES - Tags: CRIME LAW SOCIETY)

The disappearance of Natalee Holloway has remained a mystery for many and a nightmare without closure for her friends and family. The latest reports via multiple news sites including CBS News, say that the jawbone was found by tourists in a site which is nearby one of the locations suspect Joran van der Sloot had mentioned in confessions he made for Holloway's murder. Joran later took back his confessions. One of those stories Joran told was that Natalee fell from a balcony to her death by accident, so he disposed of her body in a swamp. Another story was that she somehow accidentally died while they were kissing.

While the age of this particular bone has not been disclosed, what is known is that it has intact teeth. Now it will be up to Dutch forensic experts to run tests on the bone to determine if it may in fact be that of Natalee Holloway. It's also unknown at this time just how long the tests will take. Apparently, it will first need to be determined if that jaw bone is in fact a human's.

While the mystery of Natalee Holloway may be closer to getting solved, its prime suspect, Joran van der Sloot is in jail right now facing charges for the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru. Most likely Natalee Holloways mother and other close friends and family want to see this particular mystery resolved though, even if they have some peace of mind that the major suspect is behind bars.

[beth]

The jawbone + tooth isn't hers, Anna. New article today says Holloway's dental records ruled out a match with no DNA testing necessary.

[♫anna♫]

Nov 24, 2010 1:07:05 GMT beth said:

The jawbone + tooth isn't hers, Anna. New article today says Holloway's dental records ruled out a match with no DNA testing necessary.

I'd be overjoyed if Natalee turned up alive somewhere, just like in the fairy tales!

[sadie1263]

Gosh....you almost hoped that it was just for closure......but then again....you never would want anyone to be dead..........I just can't imagine always looking.......always wondering.......catching a glimpse of someone in a crowd and thinking it might be your loved one........and that going on for years and years.........what torture......

[pumpkinpie]

Nov 24, 2010 1:07:05 GMT beth said:

The jawbone + tooth isn't hers, Anna. New article today says Holloway's dental records ruled out a match with no DNA testing necessary.

It's crazy how fast news changes. And too bad for the person who's jawbone this is. Too bad for Natalee too, and every other life cut short by murder.

[pumpkinpie]

Nov 23, 2010 22:57:56 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978701689 QUOTE:
Natalee Holloway Jawbone possibly found near Phoenix Hotel on Aruba Beach
November 17, 2010 12:31 AM EST

Recent reports have speculated that part of the body of murdered high school senior Natalie Holloway has been found in the form of a jawbone. The potential Natalee Holloway bone was discovered near the Phoenix Hotel located on an Aruba Beach. Could this be the evidence needed to finally solve this case, giving Beth Holloway peace of mind?
Beth Holloway, whose daughter Natalee disappeared five years ago in Aruba, speaks at the launch of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC), a non-profit resource center created to assist the families of missing persons founded by Holloway and the National Museum of Crime & Punishment, in Washington June 8, 2010. Joran Van der Sloot, linked to the mysterious disappearance of Natalee in Aruba, has confessed to the murder of a female student in Peru, police said on Tuesday. Van der Sloot was arrested twice in the Holloway case, which was much publicized in the United States, but he was never charged due to insufficient evidence. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts (UNITED STATES - Tags: CRIME LAW SOCIETY)

The disappearance of Natalee Holloway has remained a mystery for many and a nightmare without closure for her friends and family. The latest reports via multiple news sites including CBS News, say that the jawbone was found by tourists in a site which is nearby one of the locations suspect Joran van der Sloot had mentioned in confessions he made for Holloway's murder. Joran later took back his confessions. One of those stories Joran told was that Natalee fell from a balcony to her death by accident, so he disposed of her body in a swamp. Another story was that she somehow accidentally died while they were kissing.

While the age of this particular bone has not been disclosed, what is known is that it has intact teeth. Now it will be up to Dutch forensic experts to run tests on the bone to determine if it may in fact be that of Natalee Holloway. It's also unknown at this time just how long the tests will take. Apparently, it will first need to be determined if that jaw bone is in fact a human's.

While the mystery of Natalee Holloway may be closer to getting solved, its prime suspect, Joran van der Sloot is in jail right now facing charges for the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru. Most likely Natalee Holloways mother and other close friends and family want to see this particular mystery resolved though, even if they have some peace of mind that the major suspect is behind bars.

Thank you for the continual update on this case! I feel so bad for Natalee's family, and do wish they could get some closure, although it's pretty obvious what happened and who was responsible.

[♫anna♫]

www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/international/091411-holloways-father-asks-declare-her-dead-ncx QUOTE:
Natalee Holloway’s father asks for her to be declared dead

Published : Wednesday, 14 Sep 2011, 10:04 AM EDT

(NewsCore) - The father of missing Alabama woman Natalee Holloway has asked a court to declare her legally dead, TMZ reported Wednesday.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., was 18 when she went missing six years ago on a high school trip to the Caribbean holiday island of Aruba. Dutchman Joran van der Sloot remains the prime suspect in her disappearance.

Dave Holloway filed papers at an Alabama court in June for a "petition for presumption of death for persons missing for more than five years."

Despite an "exhaustive investigation," he claims that he is no closer to finding his daughter, adding, "It is my firm, however painful, belief that my daughter Natalee is deceased, and not a runaway."

A hearing later this month will decide whether the petition will be granted.

Van der Sloot is also accused of robbing and murdering 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores, who was found dead in his Lima hotel room on May 30, 2010 -- the fifth anniversary of Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

The 24-year-old was arrested after fleeing over the border to Chile and has been held in Lima's notorious Castro Castro prison ever since.

He was arrested twice in connection with Holloway's disappearance and held in custody for three months, but never charged.

A grand jury in Alabama indicted van der Sloot last June for wire fraud and extortion after he allegedly asked Holloway's mother for $250,000 to tell her where to find her missing daughter's remains.

[sadie1263]

What a horrible thing to have to go thru.......ask for your child to be legally declared dead..........

[sadie1263]

What happened to the woman that said she was pregnant by Vander Idiot??

[♫anna♫]

The families of missing persons are often tormented by self proclaimed eye witnesses or alleged psychics. These people have a miserable track record in helping families find their lost loved ones and really do more harm than good. In my eyes these people aren't much better than cranks although they may truly believe that they know facts about a missing person case.

CNN is selling this story too, but I don't believe it.


The scumbag was actually tricked into confessing about Natalee's fate before his 2nd murder and it was recorded on the video above. It's typical for predators to reenact the crime and describe the part of themself that carries out the truly criminal part which was throwing Natalee alive or dead into the sea as someone else. IMO Natalee will never be found in this world.

[blc]

I don't believe his 'confession'. I think it was just a way for him to put the idea out there that he didn't kill her, that she died from some other means.