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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 30, 2010 3:42:45 GMT
Obama is very upset with Arizona's new law to stop illegal immigration. Other states are formulating similar or identical laws and one poll shows that 70% of Americans support Arizona's initiative. www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/29/referendum-delay-ariz-immigration-law/ QUOTE: - April 29, 2010 Ariz. Immigration Law Facing New Road Blocks On Wednesday, a group filed papers to launch a referendum drive that could put the law on hold until 2012 if organizers wait until the last minute to turn in petition signatures needed to get the measure on the ballot. PHOENIX -- A referendum drive and a lawsuit have emerged as potential road blocks to Arizona's tough new law on illegal immigration that has thrust the state into the national spotlight. The legal action set to be filed Thursday in federal court is aimed a preventing enforcement of the controversial measure, while the ballot question could put it on hold until 2012. Signed last week by Republican Gov. Jan Brewer, the law requires local and state law enforcement to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally, and makes it a state crime to be in the United States illegally. A draft of the proposed lawsuit obtained by The Associated Press shows the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders will seek an injunction preventing authorities from enforcing the law. The group argues federal law pre-empts state regulation of national borders, and that Arizona's law violates due-process rights by allowing suspected illegal immigrants to be detained before they're convicted. Other Hispanic and civil rights groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, are also planning lawsuits. And U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has said the federal government may challenge the law. On Wednesday, a group filed papers to launch a referendum drive that could put the law on hold until 2012 if organizers wait until the last minute to turn in petition signatures needed to get the measure on the ballot. Opponents of the law have until late July or early August to file the more than 76,000 signatures -- the same time the law is set to go into effect. If they get enough signatures, the law would be delayed until a vote. But the deadline to put a question on the November ballot is July 1, and a referendum filing later than that could delay a vote on the law until 2012, officials with the Secretary of State's Office said. "That would be a pretty big advantage" to the law's opponents, said Andrew Chavez, head of a Phoenix-based petition-circulating firm and chairman of the One Arizona referendum campaign. The legislation's chief sponsor, Republican Rep. Russell Pearce, said he has no doubt voters will support the new law at the ballot box, which would then protect it from repeal by the Legislature. In Arizona, measures approved by voters can only be repealed at the ballot box. The clergy group's lawsuit targets a provision allowing police to arrest illegal-immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them, according to the draft. It says the solicitation of work is protected by the First Amendment. State Rep. Ben Miranda, a Phoenix Democrat who will serve as the local attorney on the case, said it was important to file the suit quickly to show local Latinos and the rest of the country that there's still a chance the law won't be enacted. "I think there's real damage being caused right now," Miranda said. "How do you measure the kind of fear ... going on in many parts of this community?" At least three Arizona cities also are considering lawsuits to block the law. Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon said the measure would be "economically devastating," and called on the City Council to sue the state to stop it from taking effect. The council rejected that idea Tuesday, yet the mayor told reporters he retained legal counsel to prepare a lawsuit to file on behalf of the city. Tucson leaders also are considering their options to block the law, and Flagstaff City Councilman Rick Swanson said the city had a duty to protect its residents who might be targeted. Meanwhile, the effect of the law continued to ripple beyond Arizona. A Republican Texas lawmaker said she'll introduce a measure similar to the Arizona law next year. Texas Rep. Debbie Riddle of Tomball said she will push for the law in the January legislative session, according to Wednesday's editions of the San Antonio Express-News and Houston Chronicle. And Republicans running for governor in Colorado and Minnesota expressed support for the crackdown. "I'd do something very similar" if elected," Former Rep. Scott McInnis, told KHOW-AM radio in Denver.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2010 7:43:08 GMT
I can understand why Obama is getting worked up about a state imposing tougher immigration laws than its neighbours. Surely the whole country should be singing from the same hymn sheet on this?
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Post by mouse on Apr 30, 2010 8:35:10 GMT
the law requires local and state law enforcement to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally, and makes it a state crime to be in the United States illegally.
whats wrong with it being a crime to be an ilegal...wish they would do that here
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2010 10:00:22 GMT
the law requires local and state law enforcement to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally, and makes it a state crime to be in the United States illegally. whats wrong with it being a crime to be an ilegal...wish they would do that here Our prisons seem to be full of people who have breached the immigration laws, Mouse! And of course it is a crime to employ someone who doesn't have a work permit. What this country needs is more enforcement officers to tackle the problem....but the last Tory government sliced the border control and immigration service staffing numbers when they went through their "we-need-to-cut-public-spending" drive. Labour never restored them, so far as I know.
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Post by mouse on Apr 30, 2010 11:37:36 GMT
our borders are fluid and even when caught they are not sumirally dispatched..which of course is what should happen...dont imprison them..turf em out..it would be consideraably cheaper..and non of this apeals stupidity
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Post by jade on Apr 30, 2010 11:51:41 GMT
Mouse if the law is misapplied and the people who enact them make a poor decision why on earth shouldn't they appeal?
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Post by clemiethedog on Apr 30, 2010 12:00:37 GMT
I would do anything to provide for my family. This includes sneaking into another country to make a little money and give them a better life with more opportunity and freedom from all the crap that is associated with living in a 3rd world, violent, and unstable country.
I can't fault people wanting to come live here. That we are one of the countries in the world people risk dying to get into is something I'm perversely proud of. And a part of the motivation for coming here is that in this country the Policia don't stop you randomly on the street and ask for your papers to prove that you're not doing anything wrong.
As a US citizen, I would not plan on visiting Arizona with a law that that give the police virtually unlimited discretion to detain people for the crime of not having a passport handy. Granted, I’m not the kind of person who finds that winter makes me yearn for endless strip malls, but if I was, I’d certainly be looking into other options. Among other things, losing your passport is a massive pain in the ass if you need it to get on a plane back home, and if you have to carry it with you everywhere, bad things can happen.
I suppose they’re counting on white tourists assuming — all-too-reasonably! — that the enforcement of the laws will be flagrantly racist, but why bother with this at all?
Illegal immigration is a problem but it is not worth sacrificing yet another part of our liberty to deal with it for some very marginal improvement in the ability to stem the tide. This law is wrong and should be opposed by everyone who abhors police states.
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Post by beth on Apr 30, 2010 13:33:45 GMT
I think this move was almost totally political in nature. If the voters are uneasy about the illegals - and I do have to concede this includes those engaging in drug trafficking - then the politicians will grab that concern and turn it into votes. Perhaps I'm trying to simplify too much, but that's the way it looks from here.
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Post by mouse on Apr 30, 2010 14:26:22 GMT
Mouse if the law is misapplied and the people who enact them make a poor decision why on earth shouldn't they appeal? how can the law be misaplied to an ilegal... ??and why should we allow apeals and pay for those apeals by those who have broken our laws by being in the country in the first place..those who by being ilegal have shown total disregard for us and our rights
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on May 2, 2010 0:17:20 GMT
Pray tell ---> What can possibly be wrong with asking Latinos to carry proof of residency or citizenship. If you have it it's no big deal to carry your papers.
When I go to Europe I have to give my passport to the hotel clerk when checking in. It never occurred to me that I should mount a protest march in London against this practice.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 11:51:02 GMT
I've got to admit that I was thinking much the same, BushAdmirer. But re-reading the story, I see that once again, it is the wonderful US constitution that is causing the hiccup:
"The clergy group's lawsuit targets a provision allowing police to arrest illegal-immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them, according to the draft. It says the solicitation of work is protected by the First Amendment."
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Post by iamjumbo on May 2, 2010 14:07:34 GMT
I can understand why Obama is getting worked up about a state imposing tougher immigration laws than its neighbours. Surely the whole country should be singing from the same hymn sheet on this? that's the problem. arizona is the only one doing it right. you have the despicable places such as san francisco who openly provide sanctuary
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Post by iamjumbo on May 2, 2010 14:09:25 GMT
the law requires local and state law enforcement to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally, and makes it a state crime to be in the United States illegally. whats wrong with it being a crime to be an ilegal...wish they would do that here of course, you have the added burden of being stuck with the eu imbeciles who are so abjectly stupid and worthless that they think that there should be open borders
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Post by iamjumbo on May 2, 2010 14:13:38 GMT
Pray tell ---> What can possibly be wrong with asking Latinos to carry proof of residency or citizenship. If you have it it's no big deal to carry your papers. When I go to Europe I have to give my passport to the hotel clerk when checking in. It never occurred to me that I should mount a protest march in London against this practice. for sure. there is NOTHING racist about expecting everyone to abide by the same law. the law requires that EVERYONE carry id. to oppose this law which does nothing but reiterate the existing law is unamerican
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Post by iamjumbo on May 2, 2010 14:17:18 GMT
I've got to admit that I was thinking much the same, BushAdmirer. But re-reading the story, I see that once again, it is the wonderful US constitution that is causing the hiccup: "The clergy group's lawsuit targets a provision allowing police to arrest illegal-immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them, according to the draft. It says the solicitation of work is protected by the First Amendment."of course, it is NOT. solicitation to commit a crime is NOT protected speech. these imbeciles are trying to claim that asking an undercover cop to kill your wife is protected by the first amendment, which is stupid on its face. an illegal working is a crime. hiring an illegal to work is a crime. end of story
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 14:36:11 GMT
I've got to admit that I was thinking much the same, BushAdmirer. But re-reading the story, I see that once again, it is the wonderful US constitution that is causing the hiccup: "The clergy group's lawsuit targets a provision allowing police to arrest illegal-immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them, according to the draft. It says the solicitation of work is protected by the First Amendment."of course, it is NOT. solicitation to commit a crime is NOT protected speech. these imbeciles are trying to claim that asking an undercover cop to kill your wife is protected by the first amendment, which is stupid on its face. an illegal working is a crime. hiring an illegal to work is a crime. end of story Good point - a case of "watch this space" I suppose.
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Post by chefmate on May 2, 2010 15:13:09 GMT
Pray tell ---> What can possibly be wrong with asking Latinos to carry proof of residency or citizenship. If you have it it's no big deal to carry your papers. When I go to Europe I have to give my passport to the hotel clerk when checking in. It never occurred to me that I should mount a protest march in London against this practice. I fail to understand why people are so willing to give away our country....it breaks my heart to see the illegals slowly taking over because of weak knee'd people who have jelly for spines Remember the Alamo!!!
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Post by Wonder Woman on May 2, 2010 16:17:36 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong. I thought in CA (at least) all adult citizens were supposed to carry picture ID or Driver's License, either of which would prove citizenship, would it not?
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Post by mouse on May 2, 2010 16:20:14 GMT
hey you should live in the uk....and its our people who are giving it away....
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Post by chefmate on May 2, 2010 16:48:19 GMT
hey you should live in the uk....and its our people who are giving it away.... so I hear and am sorry your country is suffering also Where has common sense gone?
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