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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 31, 2010 10:51:12 GMT
Jim, did you know Palin advocated pulling over cars with Obama bumper stickers to the gathering in Nevada this past weekend. Then, some lunatic did that to a man driving with his young daughter and rammed their auto with his larger one. Very dangerous. Palin has been quick to adopt crazed catch phrases from the minute she realized she could get attention that way. She is using a rifle cross hairs as one of her sigs, along with the message - "Reload". At first, I though she might be too stupid to know she is playing with fire, but after a quick bit of thought, I think she just does not care. naw. she's stupid, by definition. not knowing any better means that you're ignorant. knowing that you're wrong, and doing it anyway, as she always has, means that you're stupid
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Post by pumpkinette on Mar 31, 2010 16:33:35 GMT
Beth asked: "What makes you think that? IOW, where did you get that information?" Beth - all you need to do is read the Indymedia sites. They're worldwide. Go to www.indymedia.org and you'll find links on the left hand side of the page to all their sites. The Indymedia folks and the Pacifica Radio folks define the term liberal in its true meaning. It's not a pretty picture but that's where you will find it. Oh . . . Indymedia. If you're going to use them as your source, it's probably a good idea to use a little common sense. Everyone and anyone can contribute to those articles. They are, for the most part, op-eds. All you have to do is look around and find a few that back your opinion - ANY OPINION - so it's not difficult to set them up as a reference. Trouble is, they are worthless as a factual reference because most of the articles are opinion based. I have to disagree in regard to your stated opinion of Iraq war protesters. They have been pretty peaceful in their demonstrations, etc., AND, of course, they are absolutely right. War by deception is hard to swallow. Your side should be major Obama fans, if only because he let Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld off the hook where they might be hanging still. Right wing dissenters have long been the ones who push violence. Scary pin-heads! Isn't ANYONE who LETS Dubya, Cheney, etc. off the hook also a scary pinhead? Just wondering.
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Post by pumpkinette on Mar 31, 2010 16:36:41 GMT
Jim, did you know Palin advocated pulling over cars with Obama bumper stickers to the gathering in Nevada this past weekend. Then, some lunatic did that to a man driving with his young daughter and rammed their auto with his larger one. Very dangerous. Palin has been quick to adopt crazed catch phrases from the minute she realized she could get attention that way. She is using a rifle cross hairs as one of her sigs, along with the message - "Reload". At first, I though she might be too stupid to know she is playing with fire, but after a quick bit of thought, I think she just does not care. Gun imagery! I'm TERRIFIED! What a horrible, evil image to use! This AUTOMATICALLY means that she's for violence! It sure does! It also means she MUST play all those violent video games! Here's something JUST as scary! ;D
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 31, 2010 17:27:16 GMT
Jim, did you know Palin advocated pulling over cars with Obama bumper stickers to the gathering in Nevada this past weekend. Then, some lunatic did that to a man driving with his young daughter and rammed their auto with his larger one. Very dangerous. Palin has been quick to adopt crazed catch phrases from the minute she realized she could get attention that way. She is using a rifle cross hairs as one of her sigs, along with the message - "Reload". At first, I though she might be too stupid to know she is playing with fire, but after a quick bit of thought, I think she just does not care. Gun imagery! I'm TERRIFIED! What a horrible, evil image to use! This AUTOMATICALLY means that she's for violence! It sure does! It also means she MUST play all those violent video games! Here's something JUST as scary! ;D Oh that's just silly. You might as well put up photos of all kinds of reasonable, democratically elected leaders from across the world who have introduced or tightened gun control in their jurisdictions. How silly to suggest that gun control is somehow the preserve of dictators and bad 'uns. Most civilised nations have gun control to a lesser or greater degree, including the USA. The extent and nature of the controls varies. And most civilised people do not use gunshot imagery in their everyday life, because it's childish and dangerous to do so.
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 31, 2010 17:29:04 GMT
Beth asked: "What makes you think that? IOW, where did you get that information?" Beth - all you need to do is read the Indymedia sites. They're worldwide. Go to www.indymedia.org and you'll find links on the left hand side of the page to all their sites. The Indymedia folks and the Pacifica Radio folks define the term liberal in its true meaning. It's not a pretty picture but that's where you will find it. 'Liberal in its true meaning'. You mean: lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl) adj. 1. a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States. 2. a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor. b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes. 3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation. 4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education. 5. a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman. b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious. n. 1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions. 2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.Or do you mean the twisted, nonsensical and perverse definition of 'liberal' which is used in the USA as an insult?
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 31, 2010 21:39:52 GMT
Beth asked: "What makes you think that? IOW, where did you get that information?" Beth - all you need to do is read the Indymedia sites. They're worldwide. Go to www.indymedia.org and you'll find links on the left hand side of the page to all their sites. The Indymedia folks and the Pacifica Radio folks define the term liberal in its true meaning. It's not a pretty picture but that's where you will find it. 'Liberal in its true meaning'. You mean: lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl) adj. 1. a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States. 2. a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor. b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes. 3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation. 4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education. 5. a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman. b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious. n. 1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions. 2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.Or do you mean the twisted, nonsensical and perverse definition of 'liberal' which is used in the USA as an insult? reality is anathema to republicans, so they hallucinate the idiocy of the latter
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 31, 2010 23:28:28 GMT
lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl) adj. 1. a. Zero common sense b. Devoid of any viable positive ideas for society c. Easily fooled. Liberals are extremely gullible. For examples, check out Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Al Gore, Michael Moore, and other similar morons.
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Post by beth on Apr 1, 2010 1:43:55 GMT
lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl) adj. 1. a. Zero common sense b. Devoid of any viable positive ideas for society c. Easily fooled. Liberals are extremely gullible. For examples, check out Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Al Gore, Michael Moore, and other similar morons. hmmmm . . . must be the dictionary according to FOX.
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 1, 2010 10:05:09 GMT
lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl) adj. 1. a. Zero common sense b. Devoid of any viable positive ideas for society c. Easily fooled. Liberals are extremely gullible. For examples, check out Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Al Gore, Michael Moore, and other similar morons. You can make up your own definitions if you like, but it doesn't really make any difference. The fact is that you are using a word wrongly. Indeed, you are using the word liberally without seeming to have any understanding of what it actually means. I'm not sure if it's you who personally doesn't understand English, or, as seems more likely, if this is a common problem facing the American people. Of course, sometimes it doesn't matter if Americans can't speak English properly; nobody is going to lose any sleep over your re-interpretation of the word 'pants' to mean 'trousers' for instance, or 'fag' to mean 'gay'. But if we're talking about political thought, with its international roots and internationally understood definitions, this kind of misunderstanding of the meaning of words by Americans only serves to promote the stereotype of the dumb American.
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Post by pumpkinette on Apr 1, 2010 10:12:46 GMT
lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl) adj. 1. a. Zero common sense b. Devoid of any viable positive ideas for society c. Easily fooled. Liberals are extremely gullible. For examples, check out Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Al Gore, Michael Moore, and other similar morons. hmmmm . . . must be the dictionary according to FOX. The dictionary according to MSNBC is just as bad.
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Post by pumpkinette on Apr 1, 2010 10:15:00 GMT
Gun imagery! I'm TERRIFIED! What a horrible, evil image to use! This AUTOMATICALLY means that she's for violence! It sure does! It also means she MUST play all those violent video games! Here's something JUST as scary! ;D Oh that's just silly. You might as well put up photos of all kinds of reasonable, democratically elected leaders from across the world who have introduced or tightened gun control in their jurisdictions. How silly to suggest that gun control is somehow the preserve of dictators and bad 'uns. Most civilised nations have gun control to a lesser or greater degree, including the USA. The extent and nature of the controls varies. And most civilised people do not use gunshot imagery in their everyday life, because it's childish and dangerous to do so. I WAS using humor to make a point, OK? I was using sarcasm to show how ridiculous it is that at least some in the US mainstream media push FEAR about using guns in symbolism, etc., OK? I have to laugh about it at times. So, these dictators weren't for total gun control? Why DID they want UNARMED slaves? Anyone who says these dictators didn't want UNARMED SLAVES is in denial.
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 1, 2010 19:32:35 GMT
Oh that's just silly. You might as well put up photos of all kinds of reasonable, democratically elected leaders from across the world who have introduced or tightened gun control in their jurisdictions. How silly to suggest that gun control is somehow the preserve of dictators and bad 'uns. Most civilised nations have gun control to a lesser or greater degree, including the USA. The extent and nature of the controls varies. And most civilised people do not use gunshot imagery in their everyday life, because it's childish and dangerous to do so. I WAS using humor to make a point, OK? I was using sarcasm to show how ridiculous it is that at least some in the US mainstream media push FEAR about using guns in symbolism, etc., OK? I have to laugh about it at times. So, these dictators weren't for total gun control? Why DID they want UNARMED slaves? Anyone who says these dictators didn't want UNARMED SLAVES is in denial. I agree that unarmed slaves is undesirable. But i have absolutely no problem with unarmed citizens. I can't understand the American mindset that sees the state as something different from them, something in opposition to them. At the end of the day, democracy means that the state is all of us. Our democracies may be imperfect in many ways, but we are all free to be elected to Parliament (or as President). None of us are forbidden from taking the highest posts in the land. I'm just not convinced that the will of the people is to be armed, at least not in Western Europe or other hotspots of civilisation.
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 1, 2010 19:42:26 GMT
hmmmm . . . must be the dictionary according to FOX. The dictionary according to MSNBC is just as bad. So how about we just use the dictionary according to the dictionary instead then? I've posted a dictionary definition of liberal. I'm sure there are others that I can find which will say much the same thing. None of them match what Bushadmirer seems to think 'liberal' means.
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 1, 2010 21:29:50 GMT
The dictionary according to MSNBC is just as bad. So how about we just use the dictionary according to the dictionary instead then? I've posted a dictionary definition of liberal. I'm sure there are others that I can find which will say much the same thing. None of them match what Bushadmirer seems to think 'liberal' means. that's because das has no idea what a liberal is. he only parrots the lunatics such as coulter, beck and limbaugh
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 1, 2010 21:33:14 GMT
lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl) adj. 1. a. Zero common sense b. Devoid of any viable positive ideas for society c. Easily fooled. Liberals are extremely gullible. For examples, check out Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Al Gore, Michael Moore, and other similar morons. You can make up your own definitions if you like, but it doesn't really make any difference. The fact is that you are using a word wrongly. Indeed, you are using the word liberally without seeming to have any understanding of what it actually means. I'm not sure if it's you who personally doesn't understand English, or, as seems more likely, if this is a common problem facing the American people. Of course, sometimes it doesn't matter if Americans can't speak English properly; nobody is going to lose any sleep over your re-interpretation of the word 'pants' to mean 'trousers' for instance, or 'fag' to mean 'gay'. But if we're talking about political thought, with its international roots and internationally understood definitions, this kind of misunderstanding of the meaning of words by Americans only serves to promote the stereotype of the dumb American. not conceding the rest of it at all, but, you will find that, as a whole, republicans are less educated than democrats
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 1, 2010 21:58:04 GMT
Riotgrrl - My definition of a liberal comes from personal observation and not from the dictionary.
You said you understand the American mindset that sees the state as something different from them, something in opposition to them.
That's only true when the Democrats are in power. The Republicans are A+++ in my book. The Democrats are not to be trusted because they are manipulative and devious (for proof read up on Bill Clinton's administration).
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 2, 2010 6:58:21 GMT
Riotgrrl - My definition of a liberal comes from personal observation and not from the dictionary. You said you understand the American mindset that sees the state as something different from them, something in opposition to them. That's only true when the Democrats are in power. The Republicans are A+++ in my book. The Democrats are not to be trusted because they are manipulative and devious (for proof read up on Bill Clinton's administration). no lad, we already know how clinton created the largest surplus in history, only to have dumbya turn it into the largest deficit. that's old news
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Post by riotgrrl on Apr 2, 2010 10:13:53 GMT
Riotgrrl - My definition of a liberal comes from personal observation and not from the dictionary. You can't do that. I'm afraid you simply can't do that. When people are discussing important political issues, you can't just use your own definitions of words. Apart from being the height of egotism - the ego of the toddler or the Red queen in Alice in Wonderland who claims that when she uses words they mean just exactly what she wants them to mean - it completely negates the possibility of any proper conversation. I could call you a fascist, or a homosexual, or an Afro-American, and when you objected I could excuse it by saying that I was using the words as I chose to define them, not with the globally accepted meaning of them. You are not such a special snowflake that you are allowed to invent your own language and expect the rest of us to admire you for it or even understand you.
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 2, 2010 10:37:30 GMT
Riotgrrl - My definition of a liberal comes from personal observation and not from the dictionary. You can't do that. I'm afraid you simply can't do that. When people are discussing important political issues, you can't just use your own definitions of words. Apart from being the height of egotism - the ego of the toddler or the Red queen in Alice in Wonderland who claims that when she uses words they mean just exactly what she wants them to mean - it completely negates the possibility of any proper conversation. I could call you a fascist, or a homosexual, or an Afro-American, and when you objected I could excuse it by saying that I was using the words as I chose to define them, not with the globally accepted meaning of them. You are not such a special snowflake that you are allowed to invent your own language and expect the rest of us to admire you for it or even understand you. contrary to das' assertions, he did NOT make up the stupidity. he is merely repeating the idiocy that he hears from the imbeciles on faux news
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 2, 2010 23:17:41 GMT
Riotgrrl - My definition of a liberal comes from personal observation and not from the dictionary. You can't do that. I'm afraid you simply can't do that. When people are discussing important political issues, you can't just use your own definitions of words. Apart from being the height of egotism - the ego of the toddler or the Red queen in Alice in Wonderland who claims that when she uses words they mean just exactly what she wants them to mean - it completely negates the possibility of any proper conversation. I could call you a fascist, or a homosexual, or an Afro-American, and when you objected I could excuse it by saying that I was using the words as I chose to define them, not with the globally accepted meaning of them. You are not such a special snowflake that you are allowed to invent your own language and expect the rest of us to admire you for it or even understand you. OK Riotgrrl - You've made a good point. But where are you going to get a valid definition of just what a liberal is? I did a Google search and came up with this one. Do you agree that this is it? A liberal (also leftist) is someone who rejects logical and biblical standards, often for self-centered reasons. There are no coherent liberal standards; often a liberal is merely someone who craves attention, and who uses many words to say nothing.[1] Liberalism began as a movement for individual liberties, but today is increasingly statist, and in Europe even socialistic. A liberal generally supports many of the following political positions and practices: Taxpayer-funded and/or legalized abortion Censorship of teacher-lead prayer in classrooms and school sponsored events Support for gun control Support of obscenity and pornography as a First Amendment right[2] Income redistribution, usually through progressive taxation Government-rationed medical care, such as Universal Health Care Taxpayer-funded and government-controlled public education The denial of inherent gender differences Insisting that men and women be placed in the same jobs in the military Legalized same-sex marriage Implementation of affirmative action Political correctness Support of labor unions Teaching acceptance of promiscuity through sexual "education" rather than teaching abstinence from sex.[3] A "living Constitution" that is reinterpreted as liberals prefer, rather than how it was intended Government programs to rehabilitate criminals Abolition of the death penalty Environmentalism[4] Disarmament treaties Globalism Opposition of the Bible. Opposition to an interventionalist American foreign policy [5] Opposition to full private property rights[6] Reinstating the Fairness Doctrine In 2005, it was reported by CBS News that liberals were the most likely supporters of the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution is a key component of atheistic ideologies in the Western World. Opposition to domestic wire-tapping as authorized in the Patriot Act Calling anyone they agree with a "professor" regardless of whether he earned that distinction based on a real peer review of his work (see, e.g., Richard Dawkins and Barack Obama). "The long romance of Western leftists with some of the bloodiest regimes and political movements in history is a story not told often enough ...
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