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Post by mouse on Mar 25, 2010 9:41:53 GMT
as you say the money is not infinite..and it has to be spread in the best way possible
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 25, 2010 10:09:05 GMT
while, as you say, if a treatment was denied to you because of cost, you would be a bit peeved, that is not even remotely close to insurance companies doing it. of course, government funds are not infinite, but insurance company funds are. there is no similarity between your government entities trying to cover more people, and an insurance company denying someone for profit
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 25, 2010 10:16:40 GMT
A major reason why the US has such little money left for government health insurance is due to the tremendous amount of government funded research for cures to everything from cancer to Parkinson's disease! Virtually all new medical breakthroughs come from the US.
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Post by mouse on Mar 25, 2010 10:28:03 GMT
am not so sure about that anna..the uk does pretty well Trucker concocts superbug killing cream in his garage
A man has produced a lotion that kills the deadly superbug MRSA - in his garage. Brian Bennett was trying to come up with a formula that could treat his wife's dermatitis when he realised the cream could also treat the bacteria. The retired trucker spent more than two years working on the cream in his garage in Nuneaton, Warwickshire, using library reference books. He hasn't any medical training - he didn't even pass biology at school - and just mixed and matched various ingredients. Now the lotion has been hailed as a major breakthrough after being tested on staff at Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham. The cream, which cured his wife dermatitis, kills MRSA within seconds of being applied, cannot be washed off and continues working for about four hours.
and a new man made gut is also a uk first
Scientists create artificial gut The stomach is controlled by computer UK scientists have built an artificial stomach to simulate human digestion. The Institute of Food Research hopes it will aid the development of new superfoods by revealing how they are broken down in the gut.
The device, made from sophisticated plastics and metals, can withstand the corrosive gut acids and enzymes, and can be fed real food.
It mimics both the physical and chemical reactions that take place during digestion - and can even vomit.
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Post by mouse on Mar 25, 2010 10:34:19 GMT
hers another two..just for fun
An inflatable plastic bag is in the running for a prize for medical inventions. The shock sheet, which squeezes blood from the legs to the head, is designed to minimise brain damage after a heart attack.
The sheet is one of 30 inventions short-listed for the third Medical Futures Innovation Awards, in which more than 600 doctors and researchers are competing for a £10,000 prize.
Mark Wilson, an anaesthetist from East Surrey hospital, built his shock sheet using parts from the local hardware shop.
The blow-up bag is a plastic car cover folded in half and sealed with duct tape. "I used my mum's sandwich bag sealer to go round the edges," says Wilson. The device inflates around the legs.
Given financial backing to test the invention and mass produce the £10 prototype, Wilson hopes it will become standard issue in ambulances and A & E departments.
Also on the shortlist is a potential drug for Alzheimer's disease. The molecule has been found to enhance memory in young chicks and rodents. It was discovered by brain researcher Stephen Rose from the Open University.
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Post by Big Lin on Mar 25, 2010 13:30:59 GMT
A major reason why the US has such little money left for government health insurance is due to the tremendous amount of government funded research for cures to everything from cancer to Parkinson's disease! Virtually all new medical breakthroughs come from the US. The main reason they don't spend much on healthcare is because they waste too much money on other things that are either unnecessary or at least dubious. There are plenty of medical breakthroughs that come from outside the US too.
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Post by jade on Mar 25, 2010 14:01:51 GMT
"such little money left" is a bizarre phrase.
As if there is a long shopping list and we knock stuff off the list one by one til we get to the very last last priority.
The health of the poor.
Just above hunting for little green men and teaching dogs to talk.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 25, 2010 17:46:23 GMT
"such little money left" is a bizarre phrase. As if there is a long shopping list and we knock stuff off the list one by one til we get to the very last last priority. The health of the poor. Just above hunting for little green men and teaching dogs to talk. that's what republican means, except that they aren't interested in knocking stuff off the list unless it hurts the poor and benefits the rich. if they can make the poor and middle class bear the burden, they will quite happily give all that they take from the poor and middle class to the rich and corporate welfare
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 25, 2010 23:38:29 GMT
Jumbo - Please stop it with the nonsense. I'm a lifelong Republican. I have no interest in hurting the poor and no interest in benefitting the rich. If you were to ask me to list my top 1000 priorities neither of those would be on the list. I believe that's also true for most every Republican. Please stop making this stuff up.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 26, 2010 10:06:26 GMT
Jumbo - Please stop it with the nonsense. I'm a lifelong Republican. I have no interest in hurting the poor and no interest in benefitting the rich. If you were to ask me to list my top 1000 priorities neither of those would be on the list. I believe that's also true for most every Republican. Please stop making this stuff up. i couldn't make up something as maniacal as the reality lad. i simply state the truth, as YOU have proclaimed it. YOU made the comments that prove me correct
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Post by mouse on Mar 26, 2010 11:33:20 GMT
Jumbo - Please stop it with the nonsense. I'm a lifelong Republican. I have no interest in hurting the poor and no interest in benefitting the rich. If you were to ask me to list my top 1000 priorities neither of those would be on the list. I believe that's also true for most every Republican. Please stop making this stuff up. if your against medical for all...then you are hurting the poor...and benefitting the rich who invest in pharmasuticals/medical/private hospitals you cant have it both ways
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 26, 2010 13:46:57 GMT
Jumbo - Please stop it with the nonsense. I'm a lifelong Republican. I have no interest in hurting the poor and no interest in benefitting the rich. If you were to ask me to list my top 1000 priorities neither of those would be on the list. I believe that's also true for most every Republican. Please stop making this stuff up. if your against medical for all...then you are hurting the poor...and benefitting the rich who invest in pharmasuticals/medical/private hospitals you cant have it both ways but, that's reality, and reality is anathema for republicans
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 27, 2010 1:00:40 GMT
Mouse said, "if your against medical for all...then you are hurting the poor...and benefitting the rich who invest in pharmasuticals/medical/private hospitals you cant have it both ways."
Mouse - I'm not against medical for the poor. I would be please if we could eliminate poverty, feed everyone including everyone in Ethiopia, cure all diseases including cancer and aids, provide air conditioned and heated pleasant dwellings for everyone, medicate everyone who is ill, and provide other essentials to those who can't afford them (such as clothing). I'm 100 percent in favor of all that so long as it isn't being paid for out of the national treasury and there is no income redistribution by government.
It's a matter of priorities. I think putting a stop to income redistribution by government comes ahead of all those other important priorities.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 27, 2010 11:36:31 GMT
Mouse said, "if your against medical for all...then you are hurting the poor...and benefitting the rich who invest in pharmasuticals/medical/private hospitals you cant have it both ways." Mouse - I'm not against medical for the poor. I would be please if we could eliminate poverty, feed everyone including everyone in Ethiopia, cure all diseases including cancer and aids, provide air conditioned and heated pleasant dwellings for everyone, medicate everyone who is ill, and provide other essentials to those who can't afford them (such as clothing). I'm 100 percent in favor of all that so long as it isn't being paid for out of the national treasury and there is no income redistribution by government. It's a matter of priorities. I think putting a stop to income redistribution by government comes ahead of all those other important priorities. yes my boy. you've said it a hundred times. we understand. you wholeheartedly believe that money is more important than the life of a child. we really do get that fact. of course, so does bernie madoff and ken lay, to name a couple others
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Post by gabriel on Mar 27, 2010 11:43:58 GMT
Mouse said, "if your against medical for all...then you are hurting the poor...and benefitting the rich who invest in pharmasuticals/medical/private hospitals you cant have it both ways." Mouse - I'm not against medical for the poor. I would be please if we could eliminate poverty, feed everyone including everyone in Ethiopia, cure all diseases including cancer and aids, provide air conditioned and heated pleasant dwellings for everyone, medicate everyone who is ill, and provide other essentials to those who can't afford them (such as clothing). I'm 100 percent in favor of all that so long as it isn't being paid for out of the national treasury and there is no income redistribution by government. It's a matter of priorities. I think putting a stop to income redistribution by government comes ahead of all those other important priorities. Huh? What does that statement mean? Please phrase it in very simple words so someone like me can understand. Gabriel
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Post by mouse on Mar 27, 2010 15:23:08 GMT
i have alwas been a fan of our NHS and have said before i prefer it to private treatment ..... i have had a lot to do with our NHS recently due to a series of on going health problems...the service has been excelent and medically i cant fault it nor can i fault the technology and care available... the only fault i can find is the length of time spent in the waiting room...and of course the waiting rooms are no where near as pleasant as private sector waiting rooms and some of the staff are not quite as proffestional in apearence and attitude as one could wish..... but that is a small price to pay for your life
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Post by mouse on Mar 27, 2010 15:31:43 GMT
a child is of no more inportence than any other human...that is just emotive...and enotion has no part to play in medical care....thankfully medical care should be there for those who need it..regardless. a national insurrance from all leading to medical care for all nationals all non nationals should be made to have independent insurence when entering the country
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Post by beth on Mar 27, 2010 15:39:00 GMT
a child is of no more inportence than any other human...that is just emotive...and enotion has no part to play in medical care....thankfully medical care should be there for those who need it..regardless. a national insurrance from all leading to medical care for all nationals all non nationals should be made to have independent insurence when entering the country Mouse, I don't think it's that one life is more important than another (though I can see circumstances that would make a good case for that opinion). It's that children and some elderly are necessarily dependent on able adults for life quality and, in many cases - survival. As a parent of 3, I'm very mindful of the needs of children. In the case of health care, they only have what we allow and provide. IMO, that puts an important responsibility on the country as well as community and family to ascertain their well being.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 27, 2010 15:41:40 GMT
a child is of no more inportence than any other human...that is just emotive...and enotion has no part to play in medical care....thankfully medical care should be there for those who need it..regardless. a national insurrance from all leading to medical care for all nationals all non nationals should be made to have independent insurence when entering the country i know that better than you do. it's intended to be emotive. most people really do feel differently about children than they do adults, so the phrasing is intended to evoke a stronger dislike for views of those who would like to have people die simply because they are not millionaires, such as das see? i did it again
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 27, 2010 15:45:15 GMT
i have alwas been a fan of our NHS and have said before i prefer it to private treatment ..... i have had a lot to do with our NHS recently due to a series of on going health problems...the service has been excelent and medically i cant fault it nor can i fault the technology and care available... the only fault i can find is the length of time spent in the waiting room...and of course the waiting rooms are no where near as pleasant as private sector waiting rooms and some of the staff are not quite as proffestional in apearence and attitude as one could wish..... but that is a small price to pay for your life i think that what you are referring to are public hospitals such as our county hospitals here. it is very true that the time spent waiting for treatment, unless you are brought by ambulance, is truly excessive. there have been cases of people dying in the waiting room because they were not treated in time. that is especially the case in california, particularly los angeles. of course, by the same token, most public hospitals here are teaching hospitals, and when you do get to see a doctor, you see the best
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