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Post by randomvioce on Feb 21, 2010 15:24:52 GMT
You cannot shield children, even young children from the effects of society . We live in a society that values hedonism, greed , sexual exploits, vast wealth accumulation, fame, looks, designer labels above all else, it is hardly suprising that young girls grow up thinking they only have value if they are sexy, if that is the only thing we value in society.
We live in a society were the most 'successful' women are the ones with plastic tits, fake tans, blond hair and have bagged/bedded a footballer. Lily Allen said it best with 'the fear'
Given that being a 'celeb' is considered a wothwhile occupation, is it any wonder that our children are image obsessed consumers, and don't give a toss about anything else? Why study in school when a good pair of legs and great bust could set you up for life?
RG, all those copies of OK/Hello may look like harmless fun, but they are re-enforcing a negative image for young girls to follow!
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Post by mouse on Feb 21, 2010 15:30:41 GMT
i agree with you 100% random...but WHO exactly values these jordan and cheryl types..this value is media rather than people led.. ok/hello are trash mags along with much other rubbish on sale..talk about living vicariously,,doesnt say much for our way of life does it
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Post by june on Feb 21, 2010 16:09:22 GMT
I also read that in the west our increased consumption of Soya is messing with reproductive systems - as we are not used to it. Could all be mumbo jumbo as we have quite a high pregnancy rate. Soya? Yuk, no thanks. I'll have a nice rare T-Bone, though. you meat eating beast ;D
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Post by fretslider on Feb 21, 2010 16:27:25 GMT
Soya? Yuk, no thanks. I'll have a nice rare T-Bone, though. you meat eating beast ;D you know me, I can be a bit of an animal
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 17:24:24 GMT
[ to have a ‘website’ where parents can share their ‘concerns’. Are they going to shut down the media outlets that peddle this sick trade to pre teen girls? Where does Cameron think seven year olds girls get the idea to ‘dress’ in bra tops and frilly knickers? have you any children random a website is not a bad idea..it will give some indication of views..although of course not the views of those who do indulge their children..the worst possible types..and if any one questions them they get all huffy..mind you i guess they are not very bright or they wouldnt be presenting their kids as a pedos dream. kids should not look like tarts...or hookers...it doesnt stop at bra tops and frilly knickers..the make up..the earings...the tight tops and boots and shorts cameron knows where kids get these ideas frrom he is a father..but parents could stop buying the games and magazines and nothing looks worse than these pagent kids with the make up...the ultimate travesty the REALITY is that it is the character defects of the parents. they are the ones buying the stupid shyt. regardless of what a kid wants, it is the parent's responsibility to say NO
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 17:31:06 GMT
no they will need parents with half a brain to teach them to value them selves .... Feminism is for mothers too! The tragedy is they don't know it. (Though there are those who would argue that they are just exercising sexual autonomy in defiance of their prudish elders, who only try to stop them because they're jealous.) of course, NO intelligent person would try to argue something so abjectly stupid
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Post by june on Feb 21, 2010 17:34:49 GMT
There are hundreds of Parenting websites already and most of them are very good indeed. I am unclear what a government sponsored website will provide that is not already being met by those sites.
D Cameron knows about such sites as he has appeared on Mumsnet!
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 17:35:37 GMT
Fret, gender equality is gender equality. Men have always been socially 'allowed' to go out and get drunk. Why should women not have the same permissions? What kind of 'equality' would it be otherwise? simply because it diminishes the superiority inherent in women who have better morals than men
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Post by june on Feb 21, 2010 17:36:37 GMT
;D you meat eating beast ;D you know me, I can be a bit of an animal It's the side I find most endearing ;D
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 17:38:47 GMT
Then you will never ever need help of any kind from a man. Never any help I couldn't equally well get from a woman. that's ridiculous on its face. how many women would be able to push your car out of traffic when it stalled at a signal light? how many women, other than a two hundred pound dyke, would be able to take down a punk trying to rape you? and on, and on, and on
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 17:40:22 GMT
Never any help I couldn't equally well get from a woman. Good news for men for a change. except for the FACT that EVERYONE knows that it's a lie
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 17:43:32 GMT
I did google up some photos of these American child beauty pageants (I think I've spelled it wrong in my earlier post) and was going to post them, but there was some kind of virus associated with one of the photos so I'm scared to try again. But little babies, as young as 1 and 2, are plastered in make-up and standing posing with their hands on their hips, etc. I can't see that it's a wholesome tradition. Have a look at this website which offers a service for touching up photos of child beauty pageant entrants . . it's creepy. www.photoretouchinglab.com/miss-teen-usa-pageant-photo-retouch-online-glitz.htmlagain, it stems from the worthlessness of the parent, who obviously has no life, since the ONLY reason for such things is for the parent to live vicariously through the child
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Post by fretslider on Feb 21, 2010 17:52:52 GMT
;D you know me, I can be a bit of an animal It's the side I find most endearing ;D Now you've got me blushing!
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 17:53:23 GMT
You cannot shield children, even young children from the effects of society . We live in a society that values hedonism, greed , sexual exploits, vast wealth accumulation, fame, looks, designer labels above all else, it is hardly suprising that young girls grow up thinking they only have value if they are sexy, if that is the only thing we value in society. We live in a society were the most 'successful' women are the ones with plastic tits, fake tans, blond hair and have bagged/bedded a footballer. Lily Allen said it best with 'the fear' Given that being a 'celeb' is considered a wothwhile occupation, is it any wonder that our children are image obsessed consumers, and don't give a toss about anything else? Why study in school when a good pair of legs and great bust could set you up for life? RG, all those copies of OK/Hello may look like harmless fun, but they are re-enforcing a negative image for young girls to follow! you get to be correct, again. no, you cannot shield children from the evil of the world, BUT, you can, and it is your responsibility as a parent, to browbeat, if necessary, reality into a kids head. it is YOUR responsibility to no allow the kid to indulge in any of it. you certainly can control what a kid wears.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 18:01:39 GMT
Leggings with a short dress over the top do look fantastic; your grandson's friend wouldn't have looked so good with just the tights.
But on children, leggings are a particular no-no without a skirt or tunic over the top. I think they have the potential turn children into sexual objects without even trying...that's what disturbs me about them!
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Post by randomvioce on Feb 21, 2010 18:43:05 GMT
you get to be correct, again. no, you cannot shield children from the evil of the world, BUT, you can, and it is your responsibility as a parent, to browbeat, if necessary, reality into a kids head. it is YOUR responsibility to no allow the kid to indulge in any of it. you certainly can control what a kid wears. The problem there is that the parent is only one or two people, they are up against the big media tycoons, the multi million pound fashion industry, the music industry and the entire peer group. These industries spend billions of pounds creating these images and stars and force feed these images down the throats of our kids. If advertising and mass media were not highly successful they would have died out decades ago. These industries have honed their techniques to the point that every media event is a huge victory for them. What chance does your average parent have against a multi billion pound industry with millions of advocates all over the World? Take the cocaine industry. They do not spend a penny in advertising, not directly, but through a whole network of people, it is seen as the drug of choice among the middle class. A line of coke is as acceptable to them as say a bottle of beer or lager to earlier generation. Coke is associated, with models, actors, musicians, sportsmen and the City boys, it has a glamorous image and is supported by the richest most influential people on the planet. No parent can compete with that.
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Post by fretslider on Feb 21, 2010 19:00:20 GMT
you get to be correct, again. no, you cannot shield children from the evil of the world, BUT, you can, and it is your responsibility as a parent, to browbeat, if necessary, reality into a kids head. it is YOUR responsibility to no allow the kid to indulge in any of it. you certainly can control what a kid wears. The problem there is that the parent is only one or two people, they are up against the big media tycoons, the multi million pound fashion industry, the music industry and the entire peer group. These industries spend billions of pounds creating these images and stars and force feed these images down the throats of our kids. If advertising and mass media were not highly successful they would have died out decades ago. These industries have honed their techniques to the point that every media event is a huge victory for them. What chance does your average parent have against a multi billion pound industry with millions of advocates all over the World? Take the cocaine industry. They do not spend a penny in advertising, not directly, but through a whole network of people, it is seen as the drug of choice among the middle class. A line of coke is as acceptable to them as say a bottle of beer or lager to earlier generation. Coke is associated, with models, actors, musicians, sportsmen and the City boys, it has a glamorous image and is supported by the richest most influential people on the planet. No parent can compete with that. RV Not many kids can afford coke without resorting to crime to fund it. Most kids opt for cheap booze and/or a spliff - its in their price range. In some cases all that's needed is a little old fashioned discipline.
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Post by riotgrrl on Feb 21, 2010 19:07:29 GMT
Never any help I couldn't equally well get from a woman. that's ridiculous on its face. how many women would be able to push your car out of traffic when it stalled at a signal light? how many women, other than a two hundred pound dyke, would be able to take down a punk trying to rape you? and on, and on, and on Women can't push cars? Women can't do rugby tackles? What, is it our corsets and hooped skirts that slow us down or something?
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Post by fretslider on Feb 21, 2010 19:11:00 GMT
that's ridiculous on its face. how many women would be able to push your car out of traffic when it stalled at a signal light? how many women, other than a two hundred pound dyke, would be able to take down a punk trying to rape you? and on, and on, and on Women can't push cars? Women can't do rugby tackles? What, is it our corsets and hooped skirts that slow us down or something? The high heels
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 19:25:00 GMT
you get to be correct, again. no, you cannot shield children from the evil of the world, BUT, you can, and it is your responsibility as a parent, to browbeat, if necessary, reality into a kids head. it is YOUR responsibility to no allow the kid to indulge in any of it. you certainly can control what a kid wears. The problem there is that the parent is only one or two people, they are up against the big media tycoons, the multi million pound fashion industry, the music industry and the entire peer group. These industries spend billions of pounds creating these images and stars and force feed these images down the throats of our kids. If advertising and mass media were not highly successful they would have died out decades ago. These industries have honed their techniques to the point that every media event is a huge victory for them. What chance does your average parent have against a multi billion pound industry with millions of advocates all over the World? Take the cocaine industry. They do not spend a penny in advertising, not directly, but through a whole network of people, it is seen as the drug of choice among the middle class. A line of coke is as acceptable to them as say a bottle of beer or lager to earlier generation. Coke is associated, with models, actors, musicians, sportsmen and the City boys, it has a glamorous image and is supported by the richest most influential people on the planet. No parent can compete with that. you are right, but for the wrong reason. yes, media and advertising have a pretty firm grip, but ONLY because of the people who are stupid enough to allow themselves to be gripped. if every parent refused to allow their kid to do what the media is promoting, it wouldn't be promoted. if every mother forced her daughter to wear sackcloth, there would be no ads for bikinis. that's a bit extreme, i know, but you get the picture
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