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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 19:28:37 GMT
The problem there is that the parent is only one or two people, they are up against the big media tycoons, the multi million pound fashion industry, the music industry and the entire peer group. These industries spend billions of pounds creating these images and stars and force feed these images down the throats of our kids. If advertising and mass media were not highly successful they would have died out decades ago. These industries have honed their techniques to the point that every media event is a huge victory for them. What chance does your average parent have against a multi billion pound industry with millions of advocates all over the World? Take the cocaine industry. They do not spend a penny in advertising, not directly, but through a whole network of people, it is seen as the drug of choice among the middle class. A line of coke is as acceptable to them as say a bottle of beer or lager to earlier generation. Coke is associated, with models, actors, musicians, sportsmen and the City boys, it has a glamorous image and is supported by the richest most influential people on the planet. No parent can compete with that. RV Not many kids can afford coke without resorting to crime to fund it. Most kids opt for cheap booze and/or a spliff - its in their price range. In some cases all that's needed is a little old fashioned discipline. that is ALL that's required. kids have to learn that the ONLY reason for their existence is to learn to be responsible adults, and if that learning requires harsh measures, that is their choice
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 19:30:53 GMT
that's ridiculous on its face. how many women would be able to push your car out of traffic when it stalled at a signal light? how many women, other than a two hundred pound dyke, would be able to take down a punk trying to rape you? and on, and on, and on Women can't push cars? Women can't do rugby tackles? What, is it our corsets and hooped skirts that slow us down or something? get real hon. no one supports total equality of the sexes more than i do, BUT, the irrefutable fact remains, that a woman simply does not have the physical strength and ability to do many things. it has nothing to do with not being equal, it is just the way that you were born
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 19:31:50 GMT
Women can't push cars? Women can't do rugby tackles? What, is it our corsets and hooped skirts that slow us down or something? The high heels that too, for sure
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Post by randomvioce on Feb 21, 2010 19:39:33 GMT
RV Not many kids can afford coke without resorting to crime to fund it. Most kids opt for cheap booze and/or a spliff - its in their price range. The coke analogy I used wasn't for pre teens, but for older, middle class kids. Middle class kids tend to use coke more.
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Post by randomvioce on Feb 21, 2010 19:42:01 GMT
if every parent refused to allow their kid to do what the media is promoting, it wouldn't be promoted. if every mother forced her daughter to wear sackcloth, there would be no ads for bikinis. that's a bit extreme, i know, but you get the picture Well not really though. There is pretty high peer pressure created by these industries.
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Post by mouse on Feb 21, 2010 20:06:15 GMT
[ The problem there is that the parent is only one or two people, they are up against the big media tycoons, the multi million pound fashion industry, the music industry and the entire peer group. These industries spend billions of pounds creating these images and stars and force feed these images down the throats of our kids. If advertising and mass media were not highly successful they would have died out decades ago. These industries have honed their techniques to the point that every media event is a huge victory for them. What chance does your average parent have against a multi billion pound industry with millions of advocates all over the World? . the problem is parents have forgotton or dont want to say NO.. parents hold the purse strings... [drugs are another issue] but the buying of clothes and children..its the parents who are responsible they take the child shopping and they pay the bill
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 21:23:38 GMT
if every parent refused to allow their kid to do what the media is promoting, it wouldn't be promoted. if every mother forced her daughter to wear sackcloth, there would be no ads for bikinis. that's a bit extreme, i know, but you get the picture Well not really though. There is pretty high peer pressure created by these industries. very true, and i guess i should have emphasized EVERY parent. unfortunately, far too many parents have no business having kids, and allow them to do whatever they want, thus contaminating the kids whose parents are decent
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 21:25:16 GMT
[ The problem there is that the parent is only one or two people, they are up against the big media tycoons, the multi million pound fashion industry, the music industry and the entire peer group. These industries spend billions of pounds creating these images and stars and force feed these images down the throats of our kids. If advertising and mass media were not highly successful they would have died out decades ago. These industries have honed their techniques to the point that every media event is a huge victory for them. What chance does your average parent have against a multi billion pound industry with millions of advocates all over the World? . the problem is parents have forgotton or dont want to say NO.. parents hold the purse strings... [drugs are another issue] but the buying of clothes and children..its the parents who are responsible they take the child shopping and they pay the bill that's the bottom line. if a kid tells you to f..k off, he's not likely to do it again once he awakes from the coma.
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Post by firedancer on Feb 21, 2010 22:02:50 GMT
Of course you are right that men are, on average, stronger than women. But seeing your comment about pushing a car made me laugh because of the timing. Today we had another load of snow and this morning I pushed a Ford Focus up the hill outside our house. The guy was slithering around in the snow going nowhere. Perhaps I could mention a couple of other instances while I'm at it. I have seen off a mugger on two occasions and my elder daughter (who weighs 110 lbs soaking wet) dealt with a would-be rapist very successfully. She was on one of her travels in Asia and was followed by a man back to her hostel in Thailand. He broke into her room and attacked her from behind. She threw him bodily over the balcony. He broke a leg (pity it wasn't his neck). (Sorry to those that know me from other boards for repeating that story but it's a point worth emphasising). My younger daughter (only average height and build) laid out a man who groped her in a bar, with a well-time punch. How come? We've all done done martial arts to a high standard and weight-training as well as playing lots of sports. Didn't spend too much time fluffing around in pink as some other little girls I guess ;D Yes, I know a big 'un can usually overcome a little 'un. But I am convinced that women have the potential to be much stronger than they realise. Helplessness breeds helplessness and George Clooney ain't always around when you need him
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 22:51:56 GMT
Of course you are right that men are, on average, stronger than women. But seeing your comment about pushing a car made me laugh because of the timing. Today we had another load of snow and this morning I pushed a Ford Focus up the hill outside our house. The guy was slithering around in the snow going nowhere. Perhaps I could mention a couple of other instances while I'm at it. I have seen off a mugger on two occasions and my elder daughter (who weighs 110 lbs soaking wet) dealt with a would-be rapist very successfully. She was on one of her travels in Asia and was followed by a man back to her hostel in Thailand. He broke into her room and attacked her from behind. She threw him bodily over the balcony. He broke a leg (pity it wasn't his neck). (Sorry to those that know me from other boards for repeating that story but it's a point worth emphasising). My younger daughter (only average height and build) laid out a man who groped her in a bar, with a well-time punch. How come? We've all done done martial arts to a high standard and weight-training as well as playing lots of sports. Didn't spend too much time fluffing around in pink as some other little girls I guess ;D Yes, I know a big 'un can usually overcome a little 'un. But I am convinced that women have the potential to be much stronger than they realise. Helplessness breeds helplessness and George Clooney ain't always around when you need him of course, fear gives you strength that you don't know you have also. as you've said though, it is the training that allowed you all to overcome these punks. unfortunately, most women don't get that training. you're right though, there won't always be someone there in a given situation. i've never said that women weren't capable of many things. it's just that actual physical strength is not a woman's strong suit, and shouldn't have to be. god made men to make a woman happy
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Post by beth on Feb 21, 2010 22:55:12 GMT
the problem is parents have forgotten or dont want to say NO.. parents hold the purse strings... [drugs are another issue] but the buying of clothes and children..its the parents who are responsible they take the child shopping and they pay the bill that's the bottom line. if a kid tells you to f..k off, he's not likely to do it again once he awakes from the coma. Jim, if you had children, I really do not believe you would beat them silly as often as you claim you would. IMO, if you develop open, honest communication with them early on, there is a good chance you'll be able to reach them in ways other than some kind of weaponry or your fist. edited by Beth to eliminate some unnecessary yada yada blah blah blah
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 22, 2010 3:41:15 GMT
I'd like to ask some of the Americans on the board about these child beauty pagents that seem to be very popular over there. I find these quite gross . . very young girls caked in make-up, encouraged to present themselves to be judged on looks. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBen%C3%A9t_RamseyThese child beauty pagents are bad news. I automatically think of the JonBenet Ramsey case and how this little girl was stalked and murdered by a predator after she was in one of these Child Beauty Pagents!
I have no problem with fairy princess or Tinkerbell costumes for girls, during Halloween or Carneval. The emphasis is on fantasy there and not sexuality. Some evil minded people though will always see children as sex objects and they should be locked up for good.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 22, 2010 4:05:36 GMT
that's ridiculous on its face. how many women would be able to push your car out of traffic when it stalled at a signal light? how many women, other than a two hundred pound dyke, would be able to take down a punk trying to rape you? and on, and on, and on Women can't push cars? Women can't do rugby tackles? What, is it our corsets and hooped skirts that slow us down or something? As far as being equal in defense against a physical attack women as rule need an "equalizer"- a good training in karate, pepper spray or if there is a violent stalker after you i see nothing wrong with a handgun.
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Post by mouse on Feb 22, 2010 8:27:40 GMT
well..i have to say i have never had the slightest desire to push a car...so i say VIVA LA DIFFERENCE between men and women...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 9:15:04 GMT
I've pushed my fair share of cars in my time but can't pretend I've got the same strength as a man. There would be no point in having separate sporting events for men and women if their physical capabilities were the same.
But when strength is required women usually manage to achieve the task by co-operation. Removing machine-tightened wheel nuts (and other one-person tasks) might be the one exception ..but there will still be plenty of women who can and some men who can't!
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 22, 2010 10:26:32 GMT
that's the bottom line. if a kid tells you to f..k off, he's not likely to do it again once he awakes from the coma. Jim, if you had children, I really do not believe you would beat them silly as often as you claim you would. IMO, if you develop open, honest communication with them early on, there is a good chance you'll be able to reach them in ways other than some kind of weaponry or your fist. edited by Beth to eliminate some unnecessary yada yada blah blah blah i've never advocated BEATING kids. i just comprehend the fact that the reason kids are as they are today is because, for the past couple of generations, parents have failed to properly discipline them. ideally, it would be great if it was never necessary to spank a kid, and some kids are smart enough to not need spanking. most however, do. a five minute "time out" is about the most abjectly stupid thing ever dreamed up. it is absolutely useless in instructing a kid, as a trip to any mall conclusively proves. there are legitimate alternatives to spanking, of course, but it has to be something that makes a LASTING impression. thirty years ago, the girl i was with had a nine year old, and we got along great. ronnie and i would get into trouble together when sherry came home and saw the spitballs and rubber bands all over the house from our games. one time, he got caught stealing two candy bars while we were grocery shopping. rather than spank him, i decreed that, for a month, he would lie on his bed except to go to school and dinner. no tv, games or anything else. he came home from school, and got onto the bed, and stayed there until dinner. he also had to write a letter to the store manager, apologizing. it only lasted two weeks because my mom started squawking about it being abuse, and threatened to call cps, but, the two weeks did the job. he never stole anything again, grew up and went into the air force, and became a lawyer. a blistered azz only hurts for a minute, and is soon forgotten. real deprivation of something, other than necessities of course, makes a lasting impression. a "timeout" is just stupid and serves no purpose whatsoever, unless it is a week or so
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 22, 2010 10:29:28 GMT
Women can't push cars? Women can't do rugby tackles? What, is it our corsets and hooped skirts that slow us down or something? As far as being equal in defense against a physical attack women as rule need an "equalizer"- a good training in karate, pepper spray or if there is a violent stalker after you i see nothing wrong with a handgun. i prefer the gun, a s&w 380 sigma, for the girls
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Post by jean on Feb 22, 2010 10:31:37 GMT
Of course, if we all have guns, men lose their advantage in terms of just being physically stronger.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 22, 2010 10:32:51 GMT
well..i have to say i have never had the slightest desire to push a car...so i say VIVA LA DIFFERENCE between men and women... unfortunately hon, if your car needs pushed, it's not likely due to your desires. there really IS a separate but equal
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 22, 2010 10:34:20 GMT
I've pushed my fair share of cars in my time but can't pretend I've got the same strength as a man. There would be no point in having separate sporting events for men and women if their physical capabilities were the same. But when strength is required women usually manage to achieve the task by co-operation. Removing machine-tightened wheel nuts (and other one-person tasks) might be the one exception ..but there will still be plenty of women who can and some men who can't! that will ALWAYS be true
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