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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 21:44:46 GMT
* Nike and other American companies are exploiting foreign workers, using child labor, etc. Our government should prohibit them from taking jobs away from American workers. We should require them to make what they sell in the USA using union workers. It's better for those Haitians and other third world workers to be unemployed than to be exploited on low wages by Nike, etc. I for one am happy to pay much higher prices for goods when I can see that they're "union made in the USA." Our government should step in and regulate this type of activity.This is where posts like this fall down. Of course, nobody but a total bastard would not boycott goods that they knew were made by child slaves/workers (not much difference.) But that doesn't mean they are insisting that the jobs are moved to their homeland instead. no one has ever said that jobs in foreign coutries, which have always been in those countries, and NEVER, at any time, held by u.s. citizens, should be moved here. of course, since NO u.s. corporation has a right to put americans out of work by moving operations to a foreign country, EVERY job, without exception. that was here at any time in history belongs here
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 20, 2010 21:52:15 GMT
Guessing you got that 'list' in email recently, das. No Beth, not something that came recently by email. Jumbo has exposed himself as a true mindless liberal by admitting that he agrees with 2, 3, 5, 9, and the last two on my list. Please let us know which you agree with if any. For the record, I'm proud to say that I agree with none of those points --> Zero, Nada.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 20, 2010 22:05:21 GMT
Jumbo the press is filled with stories about welfare abuse and fraud. Government handouts are a magnet for fraudsters. With a little identity theft and a few lies they can get a free ride at taxpayer expense. The Democrat politicians who sponsor these measures are certainly well intended. But they're also blind to reality. California’s budget has wallowed in the red the past two years, many tie the root-cause to benefits doled out to illegal aliens. Gubernatorial candidate Steve Poizner, a Republican says he will put end to all taxpayer-funded services to undocumented immigrants, including denying their children public education and health care. "We're just out of money ... and one of the reasons the state's in trouble is because of illegal immigration," said Poizner, who claimed California spends more than $10 billion annually on services for illegal immigrants, in an article in the San Francisco Chronicle. Source: www.examiner.com/x-10317-San-Diego-County-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d15-Illegal-immigration-in-California-front-and-centerAnd this item just in. PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) - A Rhode Island woman accused of defrauding the state welfare system of more than $160,000 has been arrested. Silvina Costa had been wanted for a year after failing to appear for an arraignment. A judge ordered a bench warrant for her arrest last March. Costa was arrested near her Providence apartment Monday. Prosecutors say Costa stole the name and Social Security number of a Wisconsin woman and used that information to receive health care, child care and food stamps for herself and her three children. She's been arraigned on the welfare fraud charges and is being held at the state prison. Federal immigration authorities have also lodged a detainer against her.
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Post by trubble on Mar 21, 2010 16:36:32 GMT
Das (in my opinion correctly) distrusts government and wishes it to do as little as possible. While I might feel that at times he takes his minimalism to extremes that even I would not venture, his views remain a necessary and valuable corrective to the automatic assumption 'the government ought to do something about it,' or the even vaguer plaint 'they ought to do something about it.' Whatever happened to individual responsibility? Whatever happened to the notion of community responsibility? Did you watch Portillo's ''Power to the People" on BBC last night, Mike? If you missed it: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rkmn4/Michael_Portillo_Power_to_the_People/
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Post by trubble on Mar 21, 2010 16:40:32 GMT
Bush may not have been a great President in every regard. But he was surely the leader we needed after 9/11. He made all the right calls there. His performance was exemplary with respect to the critical issue of the day. All the right calls... sure... I especially like the way he caught Bin Laden and when all those hundreds of terrorists in Gtmo went on trial and were all found guilty and stuff. An exemplary job! Mission Accomplished! Ra-Ra-Ra! Etc.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 21, 2010 17:13:17 GMT
Guessing you got that 'list' in email recently, das. No Beth, not something that came recently by email. Jumbo has exposed himself as a true mindless liberal by admitting that he agrees with 2, 3, 5, 9, and the last two on my list. Please let us know which you agree with if any. For the record, I'm proud to say that I agree with none of those points --> Zero, Nada. since i do like you, i sincerely hope that you weren't too badly injured in the fall you took when that straw that you were grasping broke. my poor, poor boy. mike, beth, and riotgirl are liberals. just for kicks, ask them if i'm a liberal. it's a certainty that they will laugh you out of the box. sorry 'bout your luck
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 21, 2010 17:18:34 GMT
Jumbo the press is filled with stories about welfare abuse and fraud. Government handouts are a magnet for fraudsters. With a little identity theft and a few lies they can get a free ride at taxpayer expense. The Democrat politicians who sponsor these measures are certainly well intended. But they're also blind to reality. California’s budget has wallowed in the red the past two years, many tie the root-cause to benefits doled out to illegal aliens. Gubernatorial candidate Steve Poizner, a Republican says he will put end to all taxpayer-funded services to undocumented immigrants, including denying their children public education and health care. "We're just out of money ... and one of the reasons the state's in trouble is because of illegal immigration," said Poizner, who claimed California spends more than $10 billion annually on services for illegal immigrants, in an article in the San Francisco Chronicle. Source: www.examiner.com/x-10317-San-Diego-County-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d15-Illegal-immigration-in-California-front-and-centerAnd this item just in. PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) - A Rhode Island woman accused of defrauding the state welfare system of more than $160,000 has been arrested. Silvina Costa had been wanted for a year after failing to appear for an arraignment. A judge ordered a bench warrant for her arrest last March. Costa was arrested near her Providence apartment Monday. Prosecutors say Costa stole the name and Social Security number of a Wisconsin woman and used that information to receive health care, child care and food stamps for herself and her three children. She's been arraigned on the welfare fraud charges and is being held at the state prison. Federal immigration authorities have also lodged a detainer against her. wrong again lad. illegal alien children do get the same education, but otherwise, receive NO, nada, zip, zilch, welfare benefits, thanks to clinton. the welfare reform act took ALL of them off the welfare rolls, and immigration status is part of the application procedure. of course, there are still the miniscule number such as your example who produce fraudulent or stolen documents, but they get scooped up when ievs reports come back. me, about a hundred, das, zero
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Post by beth on Mar 21, 2010 18:51:57 GMT
If not email, then some other source for twisted talking points. I agree with a number of those points, but not, in every case, the way they are stated - which is where the spin comes in - trying to twist liberal issues into negative pretzel shapes. I'm tempted to ask you if you REALLY think people to whom public assistance is their only lifeline should be thrown to the curb because of a few cheats. My goodness! Catch those cheats and punish them, but do not kill the innocent in the process. Righties do not want to talk about the good people who have fallen on unfortunate circumstances, because it makes them sound cold and cruel. They do not like to talk about the Republican's need to kow-tow to the loonies among them because they need those people to win elections. They don't like to talk about their endorsement of corporate welfare and no-bid contracts to cronies. They want to twist and turn their addiction to carrying a large deficit and why. But . . . they are soooo obvious most people can tell what they're all about. I like you in various ways, das. You communicate well via the written word and have good ideas for the board. OTOH, I dislike your politics and that won't change. I try to be fair and shy away from disdaining anyone, but the Republican mind-set causes my lip to . . . almost . . . curl.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 21, 2010 19:21:40 GMT
If not email, then some other source for twisted talking points. I agree with a number of those points, but not, in every case, the way they are stated - which is where the spin comes in - trying to twist liberal issues into negative pretzel shapes. I'm tempted to ask you if you REALLY think people to whom public assistance is their only lifeline should be thrown to the curb because of a few cheats. My goodness! Catch those cheats and punish them, but do not kill the innocent in the process. Righties do not want to talk about the good people who have fallen on unfortunate circumstances, because it makes them sound cold and cruel. They do not like to talk about the Republican's need to kow-tow to the loonies among them because they need those people to win elections. They don't like to talk about their endorsement of corporate welfare and no-bid contracts to cronies. They want to twist and turn their addiction to carrying a large deficit and why. But . . . they are soooo obvious most people can tell what they're all about. I like you in various ways, das. You communicate well via the written word and have good ideas for the board. OTOH, I dislike your politics and that won't change. I try to be fair and shy away from disdaining anyone, but the Republican mind-set causes my lip to . . . almost . . . curl. i don't see how you can possibly be surprised. the ONLY thing that republicans have steadfastly preached for decades is to take from the poor and give to the rich. that is just basic republican ideology. if you ever watch the business block on faux news on saturday morning, you can see the like of jonathan honig, steve forbes, and a couple other nutjobs preaching it every week. the miniscule amount of intelligence in the republican platform is far overshadowed by their total preoccupation with trying to ensure that children die so that cigna can reap greater profits
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 22, 2010 20:33:35 GMT
The poor don't have anything to take Jumbo so that argument is a non-starter. If they had something to take then they wouldn't be poor.
Republicans aren't wanting to take away anything from the poor. They're wanting to protect their own assets from politically motivated confiscation.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 23, 2010 12:09:51 GMT
The poor don't have anything to take Jumbo so that argument is a non-starter. If they had something to take then they wouldn't be poor. Republicans aren't wanting to take away anything from the poor. They're wanting to protect their own assets from politically motivated confiscation. for sure the poor have less to take now after the republicans confiscated those assets FROM the poor and middle class
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 24, 2010 0:27:32 GMT
Jumbo - please don't lump together the poor and the middle class.
The middle class is collateral damage in what has become all-out class warfare. Political, business and academic elites are waging an outright war on working men and women and their families, and there is no chance the American middle class will survive this assault if the dominant forces unleashed by the Obama crowd continue unchecked. They've accomplished this through large campaign contributions, armies of lobbyists that have swamped Washington, and control of political and economic think tanks and media. Lobbyists, in fact, are the arms dealers in the war on the middle class, brokering money, influence and information between their clients our elected officials.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 24, 2010 10:57:33 GMT
Jumbo - please don't lump together the poor and the middle class. The middle class is collateral damage in what has become all-out class warfare. Political, business and academic elites are waging an outright war on working men and women and their families, and there is no chance the American middle class will survive this assault if the dominant forces unleashed by the Obama crowd continue unchecked. They've accomplished this through large campaign contributions, armies of lobbyists that have swamped Washington, and control of political and economic think tanks and media. Lobbyists, in fact, are the arms dealers in the war on the middle class, brokering money, influence and information between their clients our elected officials. make up your mind lad. you start that post saying that you don't want to talk about working men and women, then proceed to bytch about the corporate lobbyists from cigna, merck, haliburton, and so forth, swamping washington to bribe congress to wage war on the working class. you can't have it both ways, my boy.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 27, 2010 1:19:15 GMT
No Jumbo, I haven't said a word about corporate lobbyists from cigna, merck, haliburton. They're not the central problem (though I would like to see zero lobbyists in Washington). The real problem faced by the middle class is that elitists like Pelosi, Reid, and Obama have taken over Washington with the false promise of helping the middle class and the poor. That's a laugh. The middle class should load up on KY Jelly, bend over, and get ready for Obama and his crowd.
There are some billboards around the country showing pictures of GW Bush with the caption, "Do You Miss Me Yet?" That's a strong appeal to the middle class.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 27, 2010 11:41:23 GMT
No Jumbo, I haven't said a word about corporate lobbyists from cigna, merck, haliburton. They're not the central problem (though I would like to see zero lobbyists in Washington). The real problem faced by the middle class is that elitists like Pelosi, Reid, and Obama have taken over Washington with the false promise of helping the middle class and the poor. That's a laugh. The middle class should load up on KY Jelly, bend over, and get ready for Obama and his crowd. There are some billboards around the country showing pictures of GW Bush with the caption, "Do You Miss Me Yet?" That's a strong appeal to the middle class. not to the normal folks of the middle class, especially those for whom obama is now having to provide help to save their homes after dumbya put the economy in the toilet and caused them to lose their jobs it is only appealing to those of you who have allowed yourselves to be brainwashed by the blatant lies of lunatics like rush and sean
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 27, 2010 20:48:53 GMT
Here is a great article on Obama's Declining Popularity. www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll. This up-to-the-minute poll Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 30% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13 (see trends). The article also contains a media meter which confirms that the President continues to get rave reviews from the media. He's unpopular with the public despite the liberal media's effort to make him into something he's not (a champion). I'm hoping this means that the public is starting to see through the spin doctoring liberal TV and Newspaper coverage. The media did a hatchet job on Bush and it worked. However, their attempt to do the opposite with Obama isn't working. That's a plus.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 28, 2010 15:37:01 GMT
Here is a great article on Obama's Declining Popularity. www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll. This up-to-the-minute poll Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 30% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13 (see trends). The article also contains a media meter which confirms that the President continues to get rave reviews from the media. He's unpopular with the public despite the liberal media's effort to make him into something he's not (a champion). I'm hoping this means that the public is starting to see through the spin doctoring liberal TV and Newspaper coverage. The media did a hatchet job on Bush and it worked. However, their attempt to do the opposite with Obama isn't working. That's a plus. once again lad, put up a poll that has at least a modicum of credibility
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Post by beth on Mar 28, 2010 17:49:22 GMT
You know, people who routinely wade the swamps claim it doesn't matter where their information comes from. I think it does. Scroll down below the graph to see a sampling of various polling organizations. Then, notice which one is almost always skewed to the negative. www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 28, 2010 18:14:23 GMT
You know, people who routinely wade the swamps claim it doesn't matter where their information comes from. I think it does. Scroll down below the graph to see a sampling of various polling organizations. Then, notice which one is almost always skewed to the negative. www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php for sure, rasmussen is worse than fox, which everyone knows isn't credible
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 28, 2010 19:43:22 GMT
What matters Beth is which one is most often correct when the votes are counted. Rasmussen is tops in accuracy.
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