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Post by Ben Lomond on Mar 20, 2010 14:16:28 GMT
Anyone who can keep a straight face, and at the same time proclaim that Dubya was a great President is either taking irony to the nth degree, or an utter fool. Reagan once made a film about a chimpanzee, didn't he? Breakfast with Bonzo" or something like that? I tell you; that chimpanzee would have made a better president than George W. Bush. It would have been more intelligent as well!
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Post by beth on Mar 20, 2010 14:43:03 GMT
This is a debate board and it would be rather futile were all the members to take the same attitudes on every subject. I rarely agree with Das but I do respect his point of view. Sometimes I feel that it is a useful corrective when the general tone of a board is in a particular direction for someone to put forward a different perspective. I know that on another board, for instance, to which both Beth and I belong, my own opinions are almost universally disapproved of but I nevertheless continue to put them forward because I believe that they are a necessary corrective. In the same way, I believe that Das's opinions perform a similar role here. Mike, I like das quite a lot - nominated him for member of the mo. last time around. Some of his opinions make him sound a little less than bright, but I'm sure that's not the case. My point was - and I possibly could have said it better - he's either indulging in a little subtle humor, or (most likely) he is pushing the whole range of talking points the right sends out to their base. Of course it's OK if he wants to do that, but my point was/is he's definitely no dummy. Pontificate away, but expecting acquiescence is futile . The showdown on health care reform is supposed to come to a head in D.C. on Sunday. The opposition seems frantic - with a few resigned to defeat. It would be nice to think this piece of legislation could move through peacefully, but watch for some kind of fireworks.
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Post by clemiethedog on Mar 20, 2010 16:02:47 GMT
I’m just speculating here, but I would think that anyone with a moniker like “Bush Admirer” not only expects a degree of ridicule, but also welcomes it. Bush is the most polarizing figure over the past half-century, and accordingly there are few neutral opinions regarding George W. Bush, and moreover given Bush’s horrendous record, most of those opinions are negative in an open forum.
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Post by mikemarshall on Mar 20, 2010 16:06:16 GMT
Das (in my opinion correctly) distrusts government and wishes it to do as little as possible.
While I might feel that at times he takes his minimalism to extremes that even I would not venture, his views remain a necessary and valuable corrective to the automatic assumption 'the government ought to do something about it,' or the even vaguer plaint 'they ought to do something about it.'
Whatever happened to individual responsibility?
Whatever happened to the notion of community responsibility?
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 16:12:14 GMT
Oh my god, you voted for Nader, a man not qualified to lead a scout troop much less a country. He's a paranoid schizo who sees demons in every corporation. Clinton was a pathological liar who maintained popularity by manipulating the liberal press. He had a staff of full time news distortionists, popularly known as spin doctors, who frequented the daily news talk shows on a nightly basis. Surely you remember some of those buffoons. Lanny Davis and James Carville come to mind. And Obama has zero qualifications to be President. He's never held a real job unless you count being a neighborhood activist. No competent executive recruiter would have put forth Obama's resume for President. They would have been laughed out of town. What we've seen in this country is the power of the press to manage and distort the news. Powerful propaganda outlets like PBS, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, and most major newspapers including the NY Times, LA Times, Houston Chronicle, and Washington Post stopped being news organizations long ago. Now they get their marching orders from the Democratic National Committee. They've succeeded in glossing over many of Bill Clinton's innumerable failings and they've put Obama front and center with his teleprompter. They also besmirched the reputations of GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin, etc. with their attack dog distortionist approach. you got the first sentence partially right. of course, the one thing that ralph is a million percent correct about is the fact that there ARE demons in every large corporation. that's the very definition of a corporation. of course, being the irrational right winger that you are, you refuse to acknowledge that reality. unfortunately my boy, you fill the rest of your post with your usual hallucinations and some outright lies, the worst of course being the moronic comment that anyone besmirched the reputations of dumby, dickey boy, and our girl sarah. they, and they alone, did that all by themselves. i sincerely trust that, at some point in your life, you wake up and post a rational thought, rather than spreading the moronic garbage of the lunatic fringe
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 16:23:21 GMT
This is a debate board and it would be rather futile were all the members to take the same attitudes on every subject. I rarely agree with Das but I do respect his point of view. Sometimes I feel that it is a useful corrective when the general tone of a board is in a particular direction for someone to put forward a different perspective. I know that on another board, for instance, to which both Beth and I belong, my own opinions are almost universally disapproved of but I nevertheless continue to put them forward because I believe that they are a necessary corrective. In the same way, I believe that Das's opinions perform a similar role here. can't be the one that i'm also at. of course, quite frequently i have remonstrated you on a couple of positions you've taken, but even i don't universally disapprove of everything that you say. by the same token, there are several things that das and i totally agree on. lunatic fringe politics just ain't one of them
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Post by beth on Mar 20, 2010 16:27:44 GMT
Das (in my opinion correctly) distrusts government and wishes it to do as little as possible. While I might feel that at times he takes his minimalism to extremes that even I would not venture, his views remain a necessary and valuable corrective to the automatic assumption 'the government ought to do something about it,' or the even vaguer plaint 'they ought to do something about it.' Whatever happened to individual responsibility? Whatever happened to the notion of community responsibility? ummmm wait a mo. Distrusts Government, yet admires Bush 43 to the max. Nopers, this does not compute. GWB was not a small government president. Sounds more like he wants only his party in power - to the point of preferring a one party system. Scary stuff right there.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 16:31:41 GMT
You guys are incredibly polite and generous. I appreciate das, as a member of this board's user base, in many ways. I have no delusions about his IQ and ability to reason. He's fine. But . . . he is a Republican with a bulging folder of talking points. I, personally, think it's insulting he believes he can roll them out and have any of them accepted here with good grace. As this week winds to a close, right wing heads are popping off - coast to coast. So many of them were soooo sure they could cover for the insurance companies/lobbyists, lie like common dogs and prevent passage of health reform. The are STILL lying - loudly and angrily. Come Monday, we'll be lucky if they have not incited the lunatic fringe to take to the streets with pitchforks and torches. Desperate and disgusting. thank you. i think that das and i are incredibly polite, although i'm not sure how generous he is. steadfastly believing that those who do not earn it should be able to steal from the poor who do solely to enrich themselves, along with the likes of dumbya and dickey boy, ken lay and bernie madoff, certainly wouldn't indicate much of a spirit of generosity. his insane idea that it is better for people to die than for cigna to have a losing quarter sure isn't very generous either. there is no doubt that das is a smart chap. the stupidest thing that you can ever do to underestimate an opponent, in anything. das is definitely a smart lad. the problem is that he does everything possible to hide it, and simply spews the garbage of moronic opinions that he sees on faux news, instead of paying attention to the REAL news. he's just not able, or willing, to discern the difference between the propagands that rupert spews, and reality.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 16:33:21 GMT
Anyone who can keep a straight face, and at the same time proclaim that Dubya was a great President is either taking irony to the nth degree, or an utter fool. Reagan once made a film about a chimpanzee, didn't he? Breakfast with Bonzo" or something like that? I tell you; that chimpanzee would have made a better president than George W. Bush. It would have been more intelligent as well! bonzo was far more intelligent than ronnie, who was miles above dumbya that's das' primary failing. he chooses to have a hero that is irrefutably the worst president in the history of the u.s.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 16:37:44 GMT
This is a debate board and it would be rather futile were all the members to take the same attitudes on every subject. I rarely agree with Das but I do respect his point of view. Sometimes I feel that it is a useful corrective when the general tone of a board is in a particular direction for someone to put forward a different perspective. I know that on another board, for instance, to which both Beth and I belong, my own opinions are almost universally disapproved of but I nevertheless continue to put them forward because I believe that they are a necessary corrective. In the same way, I believe that Das's opinions perform a similar role here. Mike, I like das quite a lot - nominated him for member of the mo. last time around. Some of his opinions make him sound a little less than bright, but I'm sure that's not the case. My point was - and I possibly could have said it better - he's either indulging in a little subtle humor, or (most likely) he is pushing the whole range of talking points the right sends out to their base. Of course it's OK if he wants to do that, but my point was/is he's definitely no dummy. Pontificate away, but expecting acquiescence is futile . The showdown on health care reform is supposed to come to a head in D.C. on Sunday. The opposition seems frantic - with a few resigned to defeat. It would be nice to think this piece of legislation could move through peacefully, but watch for some kind of fireworks. we trust that there are enough REAL americans in congress sunday to pass the health care that the real american people want and deserve no, das doesn't engage in subtle humor. he really does actually believe the lunacy he puts out
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 20, 2010 16:48:22 GMT
Perhaps I just see too many whacko's amongst the Democrats, especially the anti-war crowd as depicted in the photo below. Our federal government has extended it's role far beyond what the founders ever could have imagined. I'm for very very strong government when it comes to national defense and dealing with the threats of terrorism. My admiration for Bush is mainly based on his decisions to invade Afghanistan and Iraq along with the establishment of Guantanamo for long-term incarceration of terrorists. I'm for a much smaller government with far fewer social programs and much lower taxes. I'd like to see the government building roads, chasing terrorists, etc. I don't want them feeding, housing, medicating, etc. I'm opposed to income redistribution by goverment. The government needs to get out of the welfare business. Bush could have done much better in this regard. And I'm not against a two party system. Just wish more Democrats would come to their senses. Bush may not have been a great President in every regard. But he was surely the leader we needed after 9/11. He made all the right calls there. His performance was exemplary with respect to the critical issue of the day.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 17:09:55 GMT
I’m just speculating here, but I would think that anyone with a moniker like “Bush Admirer” not only expects a degree of ridicule, but also welcomes it. Bush is the most polarizing figure over the past half-century, and accordingly there are few neutral opinions regarding George W. Bush, and moreover given Bush’s horrendous record, most of those opinions are negative in an open forum. you are pretty much right on target. das fancies himself being sacrifived for the cause. sadly, the cause for which he chooses martyrdom is NO different in any meaningful way than the fools of hamas strapping bombs to their bodies
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 17:12:43 GMT
Das (in my opinion correctly) distrusts government and wishes it to do as little as possible. While I might feel that at times he takes his minimalism to extremes that even I would not venture, his views remain a necessary and valuable corrective to the automatic assumption 'the government ought to do something about it,' or the even vaguer plaint 'they ought to do something about it.' Whatever happened to individual responsibility? Whatever happened to the notion of community responsibility? das and his pals at murdoch enterprises, and those of lesser comprehension who choose to be on the extreme right, simply refuse to comprehend the irrefutable FACT that the SOLE purpose of government is to do what the individual, through no fault of his own, is unable to do.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 17:23:39 GMT
Perhaps I just see too many whacko's amongst the Democrats, especially the anti-war crowd as depicted in the photo below. Our federal government has extended it's role far beyond what the founders ever could have imagined. I'm for very very strong government when it comes to national defense and dealing with the threats of terrorism. My admiration for Bush is mainly based on his decisions to invade Afghanistan and Iraq along with the establishment of Guantanamo for long-term incarceration of terrorists. I'm for a much smaller government with far fewer social programs and much lower taxes. I'd like to see the government building roads, chasing terrorists, etc. I don't want them feeding, housing, medicating, etc. I'm opposed to income redistribution by goverment. The government needs to get out of the welfare business. Bush could have done much better in this regard. And I'm not against a two party system. Just wish more Democrats would come to their senses. Bush may not have been a great President in every regard. But he was surely the leader we needed after 9/11. He made all the right calls there. His performance was exemplary with respect to the critical issue of the day. damm lad. you've lost with that shyt over and over, and still insist on running with it. there is NO, not one, zip, zilch, nada, rational or intelligent way to claim that the invasion of iraq had an iota to do with fighting terroism. that idiocy has been TOTALLY discredited time and time again. obviously, the war in afghanistan is more than justified. of course, had dumbya done things right and put the troops that he wasted in iraq in afghanistan where there actually were terrorists, bin laden and the taliban would have been in hell long ago. but no, he was more concerned with exxon mobil making unconscionable profits on iraqi oil that he was about fighting terrorism. the imbecillic notion that dumbya was a good leader in the fight against terrorists is abjectly stupid on its face.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 20, 2010 18:25:46 GMT
Jumbo - please take this Democratic Party Loyalty Test. If you can say yes to all of these questions then you are indeed a loyal and true Democrat.
* The best way to eliminate poverty is to raise income taxes and use the money to fund new government programs like Head Start, Job Corps, etc. * The Teamsters and other labor unions are doing great things for their members and they are good for America. * Corporations are evil. * Black people are much better off today thanks mainly to the success of affirmative action programs. * Bill Clinton was an honest and sincere President. Any hint that he might have character flaws is nonsense. That’s just misinformation based on political attacks by Republicans trying to discredit him. * The federal government is spending our tax monies wisely. Taxes are not too high and are about at the right level, or perhaps a bit on the low side. Government is doing a good job with our funds. Government is not too big. * Jesse Jackson has made a difference and brought the races closer together. * We should gladly pay to educate the children of Mexican immigrants who entered this country illegally. I for one would write a check if asked. * Homeless people should not be evicted from our city parks as vagrants. They should be allowed to sleep on park benches and to reside there and set up housekeeping if they so choose. Those parks belong to everyone including the homeless. It is shameful to hear the Republicans refer to them as Winos and Derelicts. If they want to bring in a couch and a chest of drawers, that's OK. Isn't that what our city parks are for? * The death penalty is morally wrong. So what if it costs hundreds of dollars per day to house, feed, clothe, and guard brutal, depraved, and treacherous murderers? They’re citizens and they have rights too. * Ralph Nader is one of the good guys and a national hero. He works tirelessly and selflessly year after year to help all of us average people. He deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. * Lets get over our Homophobia and provide full social benefits including social security spousal benefits to partners in gay marriages. Why shouldn't two gay pedophiles be allowed to adopt a young boy? * Inclusion is the best thing. People need to be included - people from all walks of life, all ethnic groups, all ages and sex preferences - everyone should be included. When I have my next picnic I'm inviting homeless people, Talaban Muslims from Afghanistan, recently released ex cons, gay rights activists, everyone. It will be a joyous event holding hands and loving everyone. * Nike and other American companies are exploiting foreign workers, using child labor, etc. Our government should prohibit them from taking jobs away from American workers. We should require them to make what they sell in the USA using union workers. It's better for those Haitians and other third world workers to be unemployed than to be exploited on low wages by Nike, etc. I for one am happy to pay much higher prices for goods when I can see that they're "union made in the USA." Our government should step in and regulate this type of activity. * Al Gore would have been a great President. Barbara Boxer would have been a great Vice President.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 18:50:59 GMT
since less than half of your silly questions even come close to what democrats believe, you fail. 2, 3, 5, 9, and your last two are the only ones which are totally true. sorry about your luck lad
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Post by beth on Mar 20, 2010 21:03:11 GMT
Guessing you got that 'list' in email recently, das.
You have to let go those talking points and spin to have an actual and honest discussion. . . . and, Mike, do you really believe there are just hoards of people lying around in lazy squalor, pushing the government to support them? By far the majority of folks who have to depend on public assistance hate it and would prefer to work. A couple of weeks ago, a company advertised they were filling 500 jobs in a city near here. Thousands of people showed up to apply. THOSE are an example of the breadwinners who have been displaced. The right-wingers would sooner demean them and kick them to the curb than allow PA to help them feed their families and survive to eventually find gainful employment. There's NO excuse for that kind of churlishness.
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 20, 2010 21:19:00 GMT
* Nike and other American companies are exploiting foreign workers, using child labor, etc. Our government should prohibit them from taking jobs away from American workers. We should require them to make what they sell in the USA using union workers. It's better for those Haitians and other third world workers to be unemployed than to be exploited on low wages by Nike, etc. I for one am happy to pay much higher prices for goods when I can see that they're "union made in the USA." Our government should step in and regulate this type of activity.
This is where posts like this fall down.
Of course, nobody but a total bastard would not boycott goods that they knew were made by child slaves/workers (not much difference.)
But that doesn't mean they are insisting that the jobs are moved to their homeland instead.
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Post by riotgrrl on Mar 20, 2010 21:21:05 GMT
* Lets get over our Homophobia and provide full social benefits including social security spousal benefits to partners in gay marriages. Why shouldn't two gay pedophiles be allowed to adopt a young boy?
And this.
Can't think that any one in their right mind would want peadophiles to adopt a child.
But am able to distinguish that issue from the different one of gay marriage.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2010 21:39:34 GMT
Guessing you got that 'list' in email recently, das. You have to let go those talking points and spin to have an actual and honest discussion. . . . and, Mike, do you really believe there are just hoards of people lying around in lazy squalor, pushing the government to support them? By far the majority of folks who have to depend on public assistance hate it and would prefer to work. A couple of weeks ago, a company advertised they were filling 500 jobs in a city near here. Thousands of people showed up to apply. THOSE are an example of the breadwinners who have been displaced. The right-wingers would sooner demean them and kick them to the curb than allow PA to help them feed their families and survive to eventually find gainful employment. There's NO excuse for that kind of churlishness. NO intelligent person believes that the majority of people who are now forced to live on welfare because of dumbya's concerted destruction of the economy, want to be there. of course, the right wing lunatic fringe believes that, but of course, i said intelligent, which by definition, precludes them
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