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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 16, 2010 20:10:45 GMT
Jumbo please stop it with the nonsense. I'm not regurgitating anything. I never listen to Rush or Glenn Beck. Never. I like Sean Hannity but seldom watch his program. I really admire Ann Coulter but I'm only an occasional listener/reader. My views are my own. if they were, you'd at least occassionally come up with something aside from the party line
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 16, 2010 23:16:51 GMT
Truth is not a party line Jumbo. The truth is the truth. There is no good alternative.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 17, 2010 10:19:17 GMT
Truth is not a party line Jumbo. The truth is the truth. There is no good alternative. just for kicks, how about letting us know when you anticipate putting something up that is at least reasonably close to the truth. thus far, we haven't seen it
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 17, 2010 23:24:44 GMT
Oh stop it Jumbo. I've put up considerably more truthful posts here than you have. Let us review several basic truths:
1. The Republicans have our best interests in mind. The Democrats have their own personal political ambitions in mind. We can trust the Republicans. We can't trust the Democrats.
2. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are both fine honorable men, outstanding leaders, and great American Patriots.
3. Obama is a guy who is not qualified to be President of the USA. Check his resume and past experience.
4. Bill Clinton is a disgrace to himself, his family, and his dog. He's also the worst President in American history.
5. Michael Moore, Amy Goodman, Keith Olbermann, Paul Krugman, and Noam Chomsky have the collective intelligence of a bucket of cement.
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Post by mikemarshall on Mar 17, 2010 23:29:08 GMT
Obama's basic problem is that he presented himself to the people as a Messiah (Blair made the same mistake in Britain) and was of course completely unable to deliver. His mediocrity, indecision and failure to take the radical action that is needed to correct the problems facing America and the world make him a clear case of the truth of Peter's Principle, that everyone rises to their own level of incompetence.
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Post by beth on Mar 18, 2010 0:39:53 GMT
das, you need to learn to discern the difference between truth, personal opinion and partisan talking points.
Or, at least, you need to keep in mind most of us DO know the difference.
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Post by trubble on Mar 18, 2010 3:26:49 GMT
Isn't it typical for the popularity of a country's leader to wane after about a year? Didn't it happen with Bush? Yes, it did. Bush left office with a score of about 25% approval and barely, if ever?, got over 50% during the entire second term. This is something BushAdmirer doesn't seem that perturbed about. Yet Obama arrived into office with one of the highest mandates ever awarded by the American public. He really couldn't have risen higher unless there had been an immediate war declared on the US. Bush received the most amazing approval poll on the day after 9/11. A rise of 30% (or similar) overnight. That was his highest score ever and on a par with Obama's. And it was all downhill from there for Bush, he hardly ever rose again. Obama is way ahead of Bush so far. Clemie, another great post. May I refer you all to Clemie's 'denial' paper - the 5 strategies of denial: biglinmarshall.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=science&thread=1267&page=1 and ask you to consider that the very same thing has gone on, is going on, where Obama is concerned.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 18, 2010 18:52:27 GMT
Oh stop it Jumbo. I've put up considerably more truthful posts here than you have. Let us review several basic truths: 1. The Republicans have our best interests in mind. The Democrats have their own personal political ambitions in mind. We can trust the Republicans. We can't trust the Democrats. 2. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are both fine honorable men, outstanding leaders, and great American Patriots. 3. Obama is a guy who is not qualified to be President of the USA. Check his resume and past experience. 4. Bill Clinton is a disgrace to himself, his family, and his dog. He's also the worst President in American history. 5. Michael Moore, Amy Goodman, Keith Olbermann, Paul Krugman, and Noam Chomsky have the collective intelligence of a bucket of cement. as always lad, you are consistent. five statements. five not even remotely close to reality. 0 for 5 once again. another F lad. sorry about your luck
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 18, 2010 18:54:53 GMT
das, you need to learn to discern the difference between truth, personal opinion and partisan talking points. Or, at least, you need to keep in mind most of us DO know the difference. but das has an aversion to the truth. unfortunately, his personal opinion IS only the lunatic fringe's talking points
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 18, 2010 18:57:42 GMT
Isn't it typical for the popularity of a country's leader to wane after about a year? Didn't it happen with Bush? Yes, it did. Bush left office with a score of about 25% approval and barely, if ever?, got over 50% during the entire second term. This is something BushAdmirer doesn't seem that perturbed about. Yet Obama arrived into office with one of the highest mandates ever awarded by the American public. He really couldn't have risen higher unless there had been an immediate war declared on the US. Bush received the most amazing approval poll on the day after 9/11. A rise of 30% (or similar) overnight. That was his highest score ever and on a par with Obama's. And it was all downhill from there for Bush, he hardly ever rose again. Obama is way ahead of Bush so far. Clemie, another great post. May I refer you all to Clemie's 'denial' paper - the 5 strategies of denial: biglinmarshall.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=science&thread=1267&page=1 and ask you to consider that the very same thing has gone on, is going on, where Obama is concerned. since it's an irrefutable FACT that dumbya was the worst president in american history, there is NO possiblity, no matter what he did, of obama ever getting close to being as low as dumbya
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 19, 2010 1:44:08 GMT
Jumbo - You have most of the words correct in that last sentence but not all. I've taken the courtesy of correcting your errors. Here is what I'm certain you meant to say:
"Since it's an irrefutable FACT that Bill Clinton was the worst president in american history, there is NO possiblity, no matter what he did, of Obama ever getting close to being as low as Clinton."
It's inevitable that Clinton will spend eternity viewing Richard Nixon's posterior just one rung above.
Obama is an awful President but he's such a huge upgrade over Bill. He's certainly not qualified for the job. History will record him as 'the teleprompter President.'
GW Bush continues to stand tall above all of the Democrats who have held the office in this century. For the most part, Democrat Presidents have been a disaster for the USA and the world at large. However, FDR does get some positives for his handling of the convoys leading up to our entry into WWII. And Harry Truman made the decision to drop the A-Bomb on Hiroshima so he was OK despite fumbling the Korea situation. But that's about it. The rest have been incompetent bumblers at best.
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Post by trubble on Mar 19, 2010 7:30:55 GMT
Bill Clinton was one of the most popular presidents of all time.
Rubbishing him in a discussion about ''declining popularity'' of any president is just a joke.
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Post by trubble on Mar 19, 2010 7:53:01 GMT
That's a ridiculous assertion considering who he was taking over from.
Obama's background is Law, Civil Rights, Constitution, Community and Political activism.
Bush's background is his daddy done it. He worked in his daddy's business and then ran for senate just like Daddy. He didn't know what else to do.
Bush's number one reason for getting voted in: His Daddy.
Obama's number one reason for getting voted in: He wasn't Bush.
The one thing even the most rabid of Republicans will have to admit is that Obama is a very fine orator. His eloquence won him the day.
Mabe Bush should have learned how to use a teleprompter.
''I know that human being and fish can co-exist peacefully''.....
"You can't take the high horse and then claim the low road"...
Oh.. you know that we could fill a board with Bushisms..we all have our favourite and that's what Bush will be remembered for.
That and the totally illegal war in Iraq.
His Daddy's war. At least Obama is his own man.
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Post by mouse on Mar 19, 2010 8:31:41 GMT
are we sure about that
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Post by trubble on Mar 19, 2010 9:28:44 GMT
His Daddy's war. At least Obama is his own man. are we sure about that About which? Daddy's war? Absolutely sure. Obama is his own man? Absolutely sure. But feel free to offer evidence to the contrary. I' m listening.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 19, 2010 21:12:13 GMT
Jumbo - You have most of the words correct in that last sentence but not all. I've taken the courtesy of correcting your errors. Here is what I'm certain you meant to say: "Since it's an irrefutable FACT that Bill Clinton was the worst president in american history, there is NO possiblity, no matter what he did, of Obama ever getting close to being as low as Clinton." It's inevitable that Clinton will spend eternity viewing Richard Nixon's posterior just one rung above. Obama is an awful President but he's such a huge upgrade over Bill. He's certainly not qualified for the job. History will record him as 'the teleprompter President.' GW Bush continues to stand tall above all of the Democrats who have held the office in this century. For the most part, Democrat Presidents have been a disaster for the USA and the world at large. However, FDR does get some positives for his handling of the convoys leading up to our entry into WWII. And Harry Truman made the decision to drop the A-Bomb on Hiroshima so he was OK despite fumbling the Korea situation. But that's about it. The rest have been incompetent bumblers at best. you really do need to do something about your dyslexia lad. a remedial reading comprehension course would also be helpful. the simple FACT is, my boy, the ONLY thing that clinton did wrong was support nafta, which is why i voted for nader. dumbya could never hold a candle to bill. he would probably be fit to shine clinton's shoes, but other than that, sorry about your luck. your delusions and hallucinations serve you ill lad. you really should ask your therapist for seroquiel
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 19, 2010 21:13:33 GMT
Bill Clinton was one of the most popular presidents of all time. Rubbishing him in a discussion about ''declining popularity'' of any president is just a joke. yeah, but that's reality, and reality is anathema to das
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Post by beth on Mar 19, 2010 23:03:42 GMT
You guys are incredibly polite and generous. I appreciate das, as a member of this board's user base, in many ways. I have no delusions about his IQ and ability to reason. He's fine. But . . .
he is a Republican with a bulging folder of talking points.
I, personally, think it's insulting he believes he can roll them out and have any of them accepted here with good grace. As this week winds to a close, right wing heads are popping off - coast to coast. So many of them were soooo sure they could cover for the insurance companies/lobbyists, lie like common dogs and prevent passage of health reform. The are STILL lying - loudly and angrily. Come Monday, we'll be lucky if they have not incited the lunatic fringe to take to the streets with pitchforks and torches. Desperate and disgusting.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 19, 2010 23:38:56 GMT
Oh my god, you voted for Nader, a man not qualified to lead a scout troop much less a country. He's a paranoid schizo who sees demons in every corporation.
Clinton was a pathological liar who maintained popularity by manipulating the liberal press. He had a staff of full time news distortionists, popularly known as spin doctors, who frequented the daily news talk shows on a nightly basis. Surely you remember some of those buffoons. Lanny Davis and James Carville come to mind.
And Obama has zero qualifications to be President. He's never held a real job unless you count being a neighborhood activist. No competent executive recruiter would have put forth Obama's resume for President. They would have been laughed out of town.
What we've seen in this country is the power of the press to manage and distort the news. Powerful propaganda outlets like PBS, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, and most major newspapers including the NY Times, LA Times, Houston Chronicle, and Washington Post stopped being news organizations long ago. Now they get their marching orders from the Democratic National Committee. They've succeeded in glossing over many of Bill Clinton's innumerable failings and they've put Obama front and center with his teleprompter. They also besmirched the reputations of GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin, etc. with their attack dog distortionist approach.
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Post by mikemarshall on Mar 20, 2010 13:23:01 GMT
This is a debate board and it would be rather futile were all the members to take the same attitudes on every subject.
I rarely agree with Das but I do respect his point of view.
Sometimes I feel that it is a useful corrective when the general tone of a board is in a particular direction for someone to put forward a different perspective.
I know that on another board, for instance, to which both Beth and I belong, my own opinions are almost universally disapproved of but I nevertheless continue to put them forward because I believe that they are a necessary corrective.
In the same way, I believe that Das's opinions perform a similar role here.
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