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Post by alanseago on Apr 27, 2009 21:51:39 GMT
As I have said elsewhere, god is an explanation for the inexplicable. The more we learn about the way the universe functions, the less need we have of god or gods. God cannot live in the sky once we know that the sky does not exist.
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Post by Liberator on May 7, 2009 16:34:39 GMT
The more we learn about how it works though, the more we discover that it does not appear to be random and is not what it looks like on the surface. That is something that comes straight out of the more mystical philosophical objections to simple religions with interfering deities. We even get to David Bohm's universe of experience as interpretation of an information reality beyond experience by parts that are themselves only interpretation. That is straight out of the mystical tradition and I think Jewish mysticism influenced his theorising.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on May 8, 2009 0:02:01 GMT
The only differences I can see between Jesus, Mohammed, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Billy Graham, or Joel Osteen (and other modern TV evangelists - reference abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/sports&id=6780177) is that Jesus and Mohammed didn't have TV. They had other advantages on their side including illiteracy and inaccurate news reporting of their time. They became legends much like the Lochness Monster and Santa Claus.
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Post by gg on Jul 17, 2009 10:54:32 GMT
I think the resounding answer to that question is NO! All religions are equally bogus. Mohammed, Jesus, God, Allah, and Apollo are one and the same --> Ficticious characters invented by wishful thinkers having great imaginations. all religions are manmade. Therefore, the only ones with any validity are the ones that agree with my thinking ;D
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Post by mouse on Jul 17, 2009 19:42:27 GMT
religion...an out moded means of ""crowd control"""carrot and stick..
now we have the state to ""crowd control""slightly different method of carrot and stick
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 17, 2009 21:50:31 GMT
Well, I still call myself a Christian!
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Post by mouse on Jul 17, 2009 23:54:29 GMT
and so you should if that is your beliefe...to thine own self be true... just as i dont call my self christian....because i dont have a religious beliefe
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Post by ronmorgen on Jul 29, 2009 23:12:00 GMT
Jesus Christ is Lord.
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Post by Liberator on Jul 30, 2009 0:02:44 GMT
To my mind, religion is a way of feeling our relationship and place in the Totality more personal than the intellectual formulae of science, though modern science is far more mystical than primitive 'fundamentalist' religion. Ancient religion probably knew much of our science, but as it passed down through barbarians and savages, they took it all literally because that made it easier to drag it down to their level instead of raising themselves above. This comes from part of a site called failedmessiah.com by an 'escapee' from Jewish fundamentalism - the one we hear little about.
PART 3: The Shita of Yitzhak of Akko.
1. He was a student and a colleague of the RAMBAN. 2. Was one of the foremost kabbalists of his time. 3. Investigated and authenticated the Zohar, which was then published in his lifetime. 4. Is often quoted in the Mussar classic, Reishit Hokhmah. 5. In his work Otzar HaHayyim, Yizhak of Acco writes that, because the sabbatical cycles referred to in Shitat Sefer Temunah existed before Adam, they must be measured in Divine years, not human years. 6. Therefore, Sefer Temunah is speaking of Divine years when it states that the world is 42,000 years old. 7. According to midrashic sources, a Divine day is 1,000 earth-years long. 8. A Divine year would therefore equal 365,250 earth years. 9. So, according to Yitzhak of Acco, the universe would be 42,000 x 365,250 earth-years old. 10. That calculation comes out to 15.3 billion years, very close to current estimates for the Big Bang.
I've lost the link. I don't think it shows 'divine' knowledge, I think it shows ancient knowledge that was lost in a Dark Age lasting thousands of years and remembered only as reduced to what morons of the time could understand, but still retained its real knowledge for when they recovered some form of civilised intelligence.
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Post by mouse on Jul 30, 2009 8:30:40 GMT
no...you believe jesus christ is lord....and that is the difference where as i believe JC was a man..a teacher in my book you are entitled to your belife just as i am entitled to mine.....where i draw the line is if i insist or you insist on us both believeing the same thing
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Post by pumpkinette on Jul 30, 2009 10:30:41 GMT
I think the resounding answer to that question is NO! All religions are equally bogus. Mohammed, Jesus, God, Allah, and Apollo are one and the same --> Ficticious characters invented by wishful thinkers having great imaginations. all religions are manmade. Therefore, the only ones with any validity are the ones that agree with my thinking ;D If those that agree with your thinking were the only choices, I'd be an atheist the rest of my life.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 30, 2009 16:48:33 GMT
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Post by pumpkinette on Jul 30, 2009 17:17:05 GMT
This is leaving out the fact that God gave us FREE WILL. A LOT of the evil in the world is done by people abusing this wonderful gift.
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Post by pumpkinette on Jul 30, 2009 17:17:48 GMT
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Post by Liberator on Jul 30, 2009 19:34:31 GMT
This is leaving out the fact that God gave us FREE WILL. A LOT of the evil in the world is done by people abusing this wonderful gift. And a lot more is done by the world itself. The only way round that is a vengeful and arbitrary deity responsible for massacring millions just to warn other evil-doers who are not affected. The idea that 'god' isn't a person, it's the Universal Substrate and Cosmic Mentality that lies behind all appearances and that the more material they get, the more they depart from an original Universal Love holds a better rationale familiar to the mystics of most religions. 'God' is supposed to be a 'Spirit' not a 'Person', the 'Spirit of Compassion'. It's up to us to bring that about in this 'naturally evil' world, not to worship a symbolic ruthless and wrathful creator of it. Jesus represents the Christ, the higher loving divinity in us all, sacrificed to this existence that liberates us from it and the old vengeful gods of our imagination.
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Post by june on Jul 30, 2009 20:24:26 GMT
This is leaving out the fact that God gave us FREE WILL. A LOT of the evil in the world is done by people abusing this wonderful gift. a lot more evil is done in the name of 'God'
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Post by beth on Jul 30, 2009 20:47:26 GMT
Quote: This is leaving out the fact that God gave us FREE WILL. A LOT of the evil in the world is done by people abusing this wonderful gift. a lot more evil is done in the name of 'God' Agreed, June - on both counts. A good many organized religions have worked diligently to get rid of that messy "free will" thing, but it's an uphill fight to do away with human nature, so we still seem to have that luxury.
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Post by ronmorgen on Aug 1, 2009 19:19:44 GMT
no...you believe jesus christ is lord....and that is the difference where as i believe JC was a man..a teacher in my book you are entitled to your belife just as i am entitled to mine.....where i draw the line is if i insist or you insist on us both believeing the same thing Nobody is insisting you believe, I'm only stating a fact. You may disbelieve if you wish. Lots of people are stating the opposite here as though it were fact. Don't I have the same right.
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Post by Liberator on Aug 1, 2009 21:28:15 GMT
As a fact, the Lord Krishna is the only true deity. He says so Himself in the Bhagavadgita.
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Post by mouse on Aug 1, 2009 21:55:10 GMT
no...you believe jesus christ is lord....and that is the difference where as i believe JC was a man..a teacher in my book you are entitled to your belife just as i am entitled to mine.....where i draw the line is if i insist or you insist on us both believeing the same thing Nobody is insisting you believe, I'm only stating a fact. You may disbelieve if you wish. Lots of people are stating the opposite here as though it were fact. Don't I have the same right. yes you have the same right...how ever you are NOT stating a FACT and the others are not stating a FACT.. you are staing what you and they have faith TO BE A FACT faith..beliefe...are exactly what they purport to be faith and beliefe....NOT FACT men said it was a fact the world was flat.. they believed it was men said it was a fact the world was round.. they believed it was now we know that what they called fact was simply their beliefe as the world is more of an egg shape.... lets nor confuse faith..beliefe... with fact i find it rather strange when those with NO faith are so ardently adament about some thing they cannot prove....are there such things as extreemist athiests...i guess there are
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