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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 11, 2009 0:38:54 GMT
I think the resounding answer to that question is NO!
All religions are equally bogus.
Mohammed, Jesus, God, Allah, and Apollo are one and the same --> Ficticious characters invented by wishful thinkers having great imaginations.
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Post by beth on Apr 11, 2009 3:43:43 GMT
I think the resounding answer to that question is NO! All religions are equally bogus. Mohammed, Jesus, God, Allah, and Apollo are one and the same --> Ficticious characters invented by wishful thinkers having great imaginations. Well das, I'm a Christian but not the kind that will try to convert you to my beliefs. It's up to the individual. I also like mythology a lot - especially the Norse and Egyptian pantheons. In that regard, I think all gods that are/have been worshiped by segments of the human race deserve at least a small measure of respect - for their place in history if nothing else. We have an acquaintance who grew tired of having no beliefs, so he came up with a pantheon of his own . . . "the Gaea Chain" . . . and while they are products of his own imagination, he is content in his personal belief system.
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Post by trubble on Apr 11, 2009 8:55:56 GMT
You need to define validity, das.
There are religions that offer people the comfort, leadership and answers that they need to have a happier life. Others may look on and see no validity because they don't agree with some of the smallprint such as who gets to heaven or how many times one should pray a day or that there's a living being... but the validity can lie in fulfilling a human need for answers and spirituality.
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 11, 2009 11:42:53 GMT
I think the resounding answer to that question is NO! All religions are equally bogus. Mohammed, Jesus, God, Allah, and Apollo are one and the same --> Ficticious characters invented by wishful thinkers having great imaginations. Several billion people would argue that you are bang wrong about all that. I think the original idea of religion was to keep folk in line... "you may rape/rob/murder your neighbour, you may get away with it, but you will BURN for all eternaity when you die and "Da Big G" judges you."Or to quote Grand Moff Tarkin from Star Wars "fear will keep the local sytems in line, fear of this Battle Station" AH
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Post by june on Apr 11, 2009 12:55:08 GMT
Just because people believe it, doesn't make it true. Unless the earth really is flat, there is a man in the moon and babies are delivered by storks ;D
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Post by motorist on Apr 11, 2009 13:07:14 GMT
Several billion people would argue that you are bang wrong about all that. Those same several billion people argue with each other all the time because they cannot agree whose unproven beliefs are correct Certainly there is some thought that religion as control is needed when society is young. But without anything concrete to back it up, how long could it really last? You can diss Cthulhu, though, he will swallow EVERYBODY's souls, worshippers or not ;D ;D
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 11, 2009 13:46:19 GMT
Just because people believe it, doesn't make it true. Unless the earth really is flat, there is a man in the moon and babies are delivered by storks ;D Babies are delivered by storks...aren't they? AH
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Post by motorist on Apr 11, 2009 13:52:56 GMT
Just because people believe it, doesn't make it true. Unless the earth really is flat, there is a man in the moon and babies are delivered by storks ;D Babies are delivered by storks...aren't they? AH Only if you strap a baby to a stork then fire it using a catapult
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Post by june on Apr 11, 2009 14:09:15 GMT
Just because people believe it, doesn't make it true. Unless the earth really is flat, there is a man in the moon and babies are delivered by storks ;D Babies are delivered by storks...aren't they? AH see me in my room later and I'll give you a full de briefing of the procedure
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Post by motorist on Apr 11, 2009 16:13:32 GMT
She has Star Wars books too, Hooly ;D
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Post by Liberator on Apr 13, 2009 18:42:25 GMT
All religions come down to either dealing with forces of nature treated as if they were intelligent beings, or to believing we are all connected parts of a common Unity beyond the physical senses. Physics is coming to the same conclusion.
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Post by trubble on Apr 13, 2009 20:28:29 GMT
All religions come down to either dealing with forces of nature treated as if they were intelligent beings, or to believing we are all connected parts of a common Unity beyond the physical senses. Well put. Is it? How? (Bullet points for the lazy readers please ;D)
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Post by Liberator on Apr 13, 2009 20:51:16 GMT
Here's a starting point www.experiencefestival.com/a/Holographic_Universe/id/5864 I'm sure I've seen that Bohm was actually influenced by familiarity with Cabbalistic mysticism. You can have this bloke for free too www.gnosis.org/valentinus.htmGod created man and man created God. So is it in the world. Men make gods and they worship their creations. If would be fitting for the gods to worship men. (Gospel of Philip, Logion 85: 1-4)
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 14, 2009 15:19:39 GMT
I think the resounding answer to that question is NO! All religions are equally bogus. Mohammed, Jesus, God, Allah, and Apollo are one and the same --> Ficticious characters invented by wishful thinkers having great imaginations. that is a truly ignorant comment. totally disregarding religion, the fact is that jesus and mohammed are both historical personages. equating them with apollo is stupid on its face
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Post by june on Apr 14, 2009 16:56:27 GMT
I think the resounding answer to that question is NO! All religions are equally bogus. Mohammed, Jesus, God, Allah, and Apollo are one and the same --> Ficticious characters invented by wishful thinkers having great imaginations. that is a truly ignorant comment. totally disregarding religion, the fact is that jesus and mohammed are both historical personages. equating them with apollo is stupid on its face There is no evidence Jesus (of Bible fame) existed, so comparing to Appolo is quite sensible
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Post by beth on Apr 14, 2009 18:15:15 GMT
I think the resounding answer to that question is NO! All religions are equally bogus. Mohammed, Jesus, God, Allah, and Apollo are one and the same --> Ficticious characters invented by wishful thinkers having great imaginations. that is a truly ignorant comment. totally disregarding religion, the fact is that jesus and mohammed are both historical personages. equating them with apollo is stupid on its face But, Jim, you have to consider that those who worshiped Apollo (et al) believed in their gods just as strongly as today's Christians believe in Jesus Christ . . . or Mormon's believe in Joseph Smith's teachings . . . or Scientologists believe in their space aliens, etc.. Sometimes it helps to step back and look at the view from the related time and historical points of reference. I think all religions and belief systems have value to those who place faith in them. To each his/her own, IMO, except for religious cults that do immediate and personal harm to their members.
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Post by Liberator on Apr 14, 2009 19:55:53 GMT
Most of them eventually come down to saying that there is ONE Universal Principle however many faces It may have, whether the Jewish and Muslim one or the Hundu thirty-three million. If there is only ONE then it matters not a jot whether one calls It El or Allah or God or Amatarasu or Vishnu. In the end is Om Soph Ur - the Infinite light of No-thingness, Nirvarna
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Post by june on Apr 14, 2009 20:07:09 GMT
that is a truly ignorant comment. totally disregarding religion, the fact is that jesus and mohammed are both historical personages. equating them with apollo is stupid on its face But, Jim, you have to consider that those who worshiped Apollo (et al) believed in their gods just as strongly as today's Christians believe in Jesus Christ . . . or Mormon's believe in Joseph Smith's teachings . . . or Scientologists believe in their space aliens, etc.. Sometimes it helps to step back and look at the view from the related time and historical points of reference. I think all religions and belief systems have value to those who place faith in them. To each his/her own, IMO, except for religious cults that do immediate and personal harm to their members. nice post beth. i also think that when you denigrate another's faith, you damage your own.
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 14, 2009 21:49:57 GMT
that is a truly ignorant comment. totally disregarding religion, the fact is that jesus and mohammed are both historical personages. equating them with apollo is stupid on its face But, Jim, you have to consider that those who worshiped Apollo (et al) believed in their gods just as strongly as today's Christians believe in Jesus Christ . . . or Mormon's believe in Joseph Smith's teachings . . . or Scientologists believe in their space aliens, etc.. Sometimes it helps to step back and look at the view from the related time and historical points of reference. I think all religions and belief systems have value to those who place faith in them. To each his/her own, IMO, except for religious cults that do immediate and personal harm to their members. that is the point. the ONLY thing that the chaps who worshipped apollo had was faith. apollo never physically existed. having faith has nothing to do with the irrefutable fact that jesus and mohammed were actual persons of whom there is historical record totally outside of religion
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 14, 2009 21:52:53 GMT
But, Jim, you have to consider that those who worshiped Apollo (et al) believed in their gods just as strongly as today's Christians believe in Jesus Christ . . . or Mormon's believe in Joseph Smith's teachings . . . or Scientologists believe in their space aliens, etc.. Sometimes it helps to step back and look at the view from the related time and historical points of reference. I think all religions and belief systems have value to those who place faith in them. To each his/her own, IMO, except for religious cults that do immediate and personal harm to their members. nice post beth. i also think that when you denigrate another's faith, you damage your own. so, in other words, if you see someone about to jump off a bridge, you should say nothing to them?
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