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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2012 14:30:16 GMT
Anna, have you never seen how teenage girls love having their picture taken poking their tongues out? I've never seen the Facebook page of one, but wouldn't be surprised if such a mugshot features somewhere.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 9, 2012 14:55:22 GMT
Anna, have you never seen how teenage girls love having their picture taken poking their tongues out? I've never seen the Facebook page of one, but wouldn't be surprised if such a mugshot features somewhere. I think of sticking one's tongue out as an act of teasing. My definition of teasing is innocuous compared to the PC definition! It's harmless compared to giving the finger. Of course I would never stick my tongue out at a stranger, unless my quick exit was guaranteed.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 9, 2012 14:56:22 GMT
Oh no Jim! I would never follow a suspicious stranger just out of suspicion. If I saw a burglar leaving a neighbor's house I might try to follow at a very safe distance. If a sex offender was dragging a child away I would perhaps try a vigilante action and would feel emboldened, if I had a handgun!
What makes me think Martin contributed to his own death are the facts: 1 ) Martin chose not to run away from Mr. Zimmerman and allowed the confrontation. Just looking at the two men it's obvious that Trayvon would easily have won a 100 yard dash against pudgely Mr. Zimmerman.
2 ) The struggle took place in a dark area where neighbors could hardly see anything. Why didn't Martin stay in the light. If you're right that Zimmerman was agressively following Martin then why did Martin lead him into a dark area? Did he plan to strike back at Zimmerman? A justifiable suspicion!
3 ) Someone who greets strangers on Twitter, like Trayvon Martin did, with an obscene gesture most likely choses to be offended when he's stared at and more so when he's being followed! He was probably very angered by Mr. Zimmerman following or watching him and didn't need to be grabbed to initiate the first physical contact and act of aggression! you forget that martin was under no compulsion to run away. florida has a stand your ground law. martin was walking on the way to his father's. there was no reason for him to be concerned about light. that is one of the things that proves that zimmerman grabbed him. the picture doesn't necessarily mean that. when i'm driving, i flip off at least a half a dozen fools a day. i miss the little rubber hand that i used to have hanging from the rear view mirror that was flipping EVERYONE off Dearest Jumbo! I worry about you when you say things like this! Why contribute to an escalating spiral of hostility instead of disengaging? The thread case is apparently about two people who did just that. On is dead and the other will have to watch his back for the rest of his life!
Here's a quote from the French author G. Flaubert: "A pitiful faculity then developped in their minds, that of recognizing stupidity and not tolerating it anymore!"
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Post by sadie1263 on Apr 9, 2012 15:06:46 GMT
lol Anna.....I worry about Jim a lot myself.....but he's a big boy and has been able to back up that naughty finger, it appears.
I am often tempted to "flip off" someone in traffic when they cut me off or do something ridiculous....but I always try and keep in mind that you just never know whether it is a mentally stable person or some nut job with a gun that will follow you home......just not worth it in the long run. It is a moment in time that is over in that same moment.....it's up to you if it affects you any longer than that.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 9, 2012 15:08:20 GMT
Anna posted.:-Someone who greets strangers on Twitter, like Trayvon Martin did, with an obscene gesture most likely choses to be offended when he's stared at and more so when he's being followed! He was probably very angered by Mr. Zimmerman following or watching him and didn't need to be grabbed to initiate the first physical contact and act of aggression! Toby comments.:- You are spot on here ! the obscene gesture tells us more about Martin than anything else, I reckon he will be no great loss ! Dearest Toby, I wouldn't want to meet either Zimmerman or Martin on a dark street. They look like two people who let silly things escalate into unneccesary hostility and aggression!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 9, 2012 15:21:24 GMT
NBC edited the original 911 call by Zimmerman to make Zimmerman look like a racist in the eyes of listeners.
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 9, 2012 16:54:33 GMT
you forget that martin was under no compulsion to run away. florida has a stand your ground law. martin was walking on the way to his father's. there was no reason for him to be concerned about light. that is one of the things that proves that zimmerman grabbed him. the picture doesn't necessarily mean that. when i'm driving, i flip off at least a half a dozen fools a day. i miss the little rubber hand that i used to have hanging from the rear view mirror that was flipping EVERYONE off Dearest Jumbo! I worry about you when you say things like this! Why contribute to an escalating spiral of hostility instead of disengaging? The thread case is apparently about two people who did just that. On is dead and the other will have to watch his back for the rest of his life!
Here's a quote from the French author G. Flaubert: "A pitiful faculity then developped in their minds, that of recognizing stupidity and not tolerating it anymore!"with me, the only thing that is necessary is for some fool to NOT engage me. all they have to do is back down. i never will. if somebody doesn't like what i'm doing, they are perfectly free to ignore me. if they choose not to, it is THEIR problem, and they are SOLELY responsible for the repercussions
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 9, 2012 16:59:08 GMT
lol Anna.....I worry about Jim a lot myself.....but he's a big boy and has been able to back up that naughty finger, it appears. I am often tempted to "flip off" someone in traffic when they cut me off or do something ridiculous....but I always try and keep in mind that you just never know whether it is a mentally stable person or some nut job with a gun that will follow you home......just not worth it in the long run. It is a moment in time that is over in that same moment.....it's up to you if it affects you any longer than that. no need to worry about me hon. i'm me. i was working at the county when i got another car. that's when i found that hand in a crafts store. one of the girls had been gone for a couple of weeks, and when she came back, she said that she knew that was my car because of the finger. it really pissed me off when that car got stolen because i haven't been able to find another hand like that yet
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 9, 2012 17:08:07 GMT
Dearest Jumbo! I worry about you when you say things like this! Why contribute to an escalating spiral of hostility instead of disengaging? The thread case is apparently about two people who did just that. On is dead and the other will have to watch his back for the rest of his life!
Here's a quote from the French author G. Flaubert: "A pitiful faculity then developped in their minds, that of recognizing stupidity and not tolerating it anymore!" with me, the only thing that is necessary is for some fool to NOT engage me. all they have to do is back down. i never will. if somebody doesn't like what i'm doing, they are perfectly free to ignore me. if they choose not to, it is THEIR problem, and they are SOLELY responsible for the repercussions That's a reckless attitude Jumbo! You're playing Russian roulette when you confront a stranger! Often retreat is better! You wouldn't stand your ground if you had no firearm and armed Taliban troops were approaching?
With strangers you never know! I knew someone in Rockford, Illinois, who honked at a young Black, who was blocking traffic. The Black got out of his car and shot him in the face. He will be forever without a third of his teeth and part of his jaw! Just trivial stuff like honking can trigger others off!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 9, 2012 17:13:07 GMT
lol Anna.....I worry about Jim a lot myself.....but he's a big boy and has been able to back up that naughty finger, it appears. I am often tempted to "flip off" someone in traffic when they cut me off or do something ridiculous....but I always try and keep in mind that you just never know whether it is a mentally stable person or some nut job with a gun that will follow you home......just not worth it in the long run. It is a moment in time that is over in that same moment.....it's up to you if it affects you any longer than that. Hi Sadie! It's better to take the higher road and not return stupid hostility with more hostility! Jesus said turn the other cheek and not waste time building up a spiral of stupid hostility!
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Post by toby on Apr 9, 2012 17:39:43 GMT
Anna posted.:-Dearest Toby, I wouldn't want to meet either Zimmerman or Martin on a dark street. They look like two people who let silly things escalate into unneccesary hostility and aggression!
Toby comments.:- I agree, there does not seem to be any evidence that either was willing to compromise !
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Post by Big Lin on Apr 9, 2012 23:23:22 GMT
lol Anna.....I worry about Jim a lot myself.....but he's a big boy and has been able to back up that naughty finger, it appears. I am often tempted to "flip off" someone in traffic when they cut me off or do something ridiculous....but I always try and keep in mind that you just never know whether it is a mentally stable person or some nut job with a gun that will follow you home......just not worth it in the long run. It is a moment in time that is over in that same moment.....it's up to you if it affects you any longer than that. Hi Sadie! It's better to take the higher road and not return stupid hostility with more hostility! Jesus said turn the other cheek and not waste time building up a spiral of stupid hostility!We're all human and sometimes we come to the end of our tether and explode. God knows I try to control my temper but sometimes it's just not humanly possible.
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Post by trubble on Apr 10, 2012 0:15:00 GMT
This site is allegedly run by the real george Zimmerman: therealgeorgezimmerman.com/I don't know if it is or not, but it seems to be only intermittently working, so I am pasting its contents in full here: The Real George Zimmerman I am the real George Zimmerman, On Sunday February 26th, I was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage. As a result of the incident and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my entire life. This website's sole purpose is to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries.
It has come to my attention that some persons and/or entities have been collecting funds, thinly veiled as my “Defense Fund” or "Legal Fund". I cannot attest to the validity of these other websites as I have not received any funds collected, intended to support my family and I through this trying, tragic time.
I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated.
Sincerely, George Zimmerman
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 10, 2012 13:18:18 GMT
Interesting Heads up Trubble! It looks like Zimmerman's website is down. Hackers, pressure on the Service Provider or whatever.articles.cnn.com/2012-04-09/us/us_florida-teen-shooting_1_website-funds-media-coverage?_s=PM:US QUOTE: Zimmerman speaks, raises funds on new websiteApril 9, 2012 The man at the center of a firestorm over his shooting of an unarmed Florida teenager has launched a website, warning supporters about groups that falsely claim to be raising funds for his defense and soliciting donations for himself. "I am the real George Zimmerman," declares the website, set up over the weekend. "On Sunday February 26th, I was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage. As a result of the incident and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my entire life. This website's sole purpose is to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries." Zimmerman's "life altering event" was the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, an act that the neighborhood watch volunteer told Sanford, Florida, police was an act of self-defense. Zimmerman has not been charged with a crime in Martin's death, a fact that has provoked demonstrations and calls that he be prosecuted for killing the teen. The statement posted on therealgeorgezimmerman.com warns viewers that "some persons and/or entities have been collecting funds, thinly veiled as my 'Defense Fund' or 'Legal Fund.' I cannot attest to the validity of these other websites as I have not received any funds collected, intended to support my family and I through this trying, tragic time." War of words continues in Trayvon Martin case But the site includes a link through which viewers can donate money to pay for Zimmerman's lawyers and living expenses "in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment." Zimmerman pledges to "personally maintain accountability of all funds received." "I am grateful to my friends that have come to my aid, whether publicly or personally, never questioning my integrity or actions, understanding that I cannot discuss the details of the event on February 26th, and allowing law enforcement to proceed with their investigation unhindered," the 28-year-old Zimmerman wrote on another of the site's pages. "Once again, I thank you for your patience and I assure you, the facts will come to light." Until now, only friends and relatives have come forward to speak on Zimmerman's behalf. His attorneys have said he wants to share his story but can't, because of threats to his safety and the possibility of criminal charges.
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Post by captain on Apr 10, 2012 13:33:22 GMT
It appears to me that Zimmerman wants people to empathize with his killing of a teen. He should be ashamed.
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Post by trubble on Apr 10, 2012 16:40:32 GMT
He probably deserves some empathy - not for shooting someone but for trying to 'do the right thing' and getting himself into more trouble than he dreamed was possible.
(No empathy for not dreaming it was possible, though. If he'd has less ego perhaps he would have been content to let the police follow up the phonecall while he went home).
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Post by Big Lin on Apr 10, 2012 16:56:51 GMT
It's a very sad state of affairs all round.
The way I see it is that if he HADN'T followed Martin no one would be dead.
I don't think Zimmerman intended to commit murder but I think he acted irresponsibly.
I mean, if I had some guy following me in the dark I'd be quite likely to think he was up to no good!
And even though I'm a woman I'm 5ft 11, pretty good at aikido, karate and boxing and I'd STILL be nervous about some guy following me!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 10, 2012 17:17:24 GMT
It appears to me that Zimmerman wants people to empathize with his killing of a teen. He should be ashamed. Hi Captain! Zimmerman, guilty or innocent, has a family to feed and because of the shooting he's out of work. At least one witness exonerated Zimmerman and said Martin decked him with one punch and started banging his head on the pavement and this alledgedly led to the fatal shooting. I'm sure the DA will press charges against Zimmerman, if she feels his claim of self defense can be disproved!
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Post by toby on Apr 10, 2012 19:48:22 GMT
Anna posted.:-Zimmerman, guilty or innocent, has a family to feed and because of the shooting he's out of work.
Toby comments.;- You really have to feel sorry for him for after all he was a Volunteer Neighbourhood Watchman, so he was trying to do the right thing for his neighbours and it does seem he was keen to become a good American.
Tayvon on the other hand ........................................
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Post by toby on Apr 10, 2012 19:51:39 GMT
Lin posted.:-The way I see it is that if he HADN'T followed Martin no one would be dead.
Toby comments.:- It's easy enough to pass by on the other side but Mr. Zimmermann was an empowered Neighbourhood Watchman and when he saw somebody suspicious then he had to act. It does not matter what the colour of the guy wearing the Hoodie was, it's apparal worn by folk up to no good and Mr. Zimmermann was right to brace Trayvon.
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