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Post by gabriel on Nov 26, 2009 22:15:19 GMT
All right. Quote where FF has said that homosexual people are emotional cripples. On this thread. Your words. Because you can't. Because he hasn't. No - as you know, these words were used on another thread.When I challenged what he said there, anna told me - quite rightly - that it was off-topic for that thread. But what he says here is directly relevant to what he said there. If what I have said here (or anywhere else, for that matter) is abusive, then I wish you would point out to me exactly how. Don't put words in my mouth Jean. I didn't use the word 'abusive'. Refer to my original post. I'm discussing this thread and only this thread. Try keeping to the point of this thread.
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Post by june on Nov 26, 2009 23:06:39 GMT
Goodness me - can you two just try and consider other posters for maybe half a minute. As all encompassing your personal feud may well be to you - it isn't to everyone else.
Maybe, just maybe, we would like the opportunity to discuss something without your very well worn 5 year old baggage being displayed.
Get a new tune!
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 3, 2009 7:31:48 GMT
Most of the 'gender stereotyping' is just hype. www.answerbag.com/q_view/568152 Men are more intelligent than women, claims new study By BEN CLERKIN & FIONA MACRAE Battle of the sexes: Are men more intelligent than women? It is research that is guaranteed to delight men - and infuriate the women in their lives. A controversial new study has claimed that men really are more intelligent than women. The study - carried out by a man - concluded that men's IQs are almost four points higher than women's. British-born researcher John Philippe Rushton, who previously created a furore by suggesting intelligence is influenced by race, says the finding could explain why so few women make it to the top in the workplace. He claims the 'glass ceiling' phenomenon is probably due to inferior intelligence, rather than discrimination or lack of opportunity. The University of Western Ontario psychologist reached his conclusion after scrutinising the results of university aptitude tests taken by 100,000 students aged 17 and 18 of both sexes. A focus on a factors such as the ability to quickly grasp a complex concept, verbal reasoning skills and creativity - some of they key ingredients of intelligence - revealed the male teenagers had IQs that were an average of 3.63 points higher. The average person has an IQ of around 100. The findings, which held true for all classes and levels of parental education, overturn a 100 year consensus that men and women average the same in general mental ability. They also conflict with evidence that girls do better in school exams than boys. But Prof Rushton, who was born in Bournemouth and obtained his doctorate in social psychology from the London School of Economics, argues that the faster maturing of girls leads to them outshining boys in the classroom. And since almost all previous data showing an absence of difference between the sexes was gathered on schoolchildren, the gender difference could easily have been missed. 'It looks like up until late adolescence, the females have the advantage over males because they mature faster, which masks the underlying difference, he said. Although experts have accepted that men and women differ mentally, with males averaging higher on tests of 'spatial ability' and females higher on verbal tests, it was assumed the differences averaged out, leaving no difference in overall intelligence. Prof Rushton believes the differences are directly linked to brain size, with other studies showing men having slightly bigger brains than women. 'We know that men have larger brains, even when you take into account larger body size,' said the researcher. 'That means there are more neurons. The question is what these neurons are doing in a man - and they probably have an advantage in processing information.' It is thought the difference may date back to the Stone Age, with women seeking out men who are more intelligent than them in a bid to pass on the best genes to their children. 'Some people have suggested it evolved because women prefer men who are more intelligent than they are for husbands,' said the professor. 'Just as they prefer men who are taller than them, they also prefer a male who is a little ahead of them in IQ.' Critics claim Prof Rushton's results could have been skewed by the inclusion of more test results from females than form males. Prof Rushton, who four years ago triggered a scientific row by claiming intelligence and behaviour are influenced by race, with blacks being more likely to be involved in crime and Asians having a greater chance of high IQs, however, stands by his results. 'These are unpopular conclusions,' he said. 'People should not be made to feel afraid to study controversial issues. 'We have the right to find the truth. One should really look at the facts.' His work appears to confirm British research which showed men have bigger brains and higher IQs than women, which may explain why chess grandmasters and geniuses are more likely to be male. The analyses of more than 20,000 verbal reasoning tests taken by university students from around the world revealed that women's IQs are up to five points lower than men's . Women needn't feel despondent, however, as the scientists believe women can achieve just as much as men - as long as they work harder.
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 3, 2009 7:42:43 GMT
www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10342538&pnum=1 Men are more likely to win Nobel prizes and achieve excellence simply because they are more intelligent than women, according to a controversial male academic. In a paper to be published in a leading research journal, one of Britain's most outspoken academics will argue that men have larger brains and higher IQs than women, to such an extent that they are better suited to "tasks of high complexity". Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at Ulster University, who has caused outrage in the past with claims that white people are more intelligent than blacks and that criminal traits are genetic, will publish the work with Dr Paul Irwing, senior lecturer in organisational psychology at Manchester University. The study, to be published in the British Journal of Psychology in November, concluded that men not only have larger brains but also have higher IQs, on average by about 5 points, than women. This difference means many more men than women have exceptionally high IQs, and the authors claim this means that men are more likely to win Nobel prizes and make scientific discoveries, according to the Times Higher Education Supplement. Dr Irwing said that he had initially been reluctant to take part in the study, arguing that he would have personally preferred not to have discovered that men had a biological advantage. Article continues below <A HREF="http://ads.apn.co.nz/accipiter/adclick/CID=0000668db0b39f3700000000/aamsz=300X250/POS=POS2/acc_random=77918626876/pageid=25953412200/site=NZH/area=SEC.TECHNOLOGY.STY/keyword=men intelligent women says academic world science likely win nobel prizes achieve excellence simply controversial male paper published leading research journal britain outspoken academics argue larger brains higher iqs extent"> <IMG SRC="http://apn-images.adbureau.net/apn/091116_MAC117_300X250.gif" ALT="" width=300 height=250 BORDER="0"> </A> But after resolving to put "scientific truth" above his personal political conflicts and potentially even his academic reputation, he had agreed to work with Professor Lynn. The paper will seek to counter the academic orthodoxy that men and women are basically the same and that any sex differences are due to pressure from society to conform to gender stereotypes. Professor Lynn has argued that his attempt to overturn the belief that men and women are equally intelligent is like Galileo trying to explain to 17th-century Italy that the Earth revolves around the Sun. The researchers acknowledge that women outnumber men at every stage of educational achievement, except PhD level. However, the paper will argue that women "achieve more" in life than men with the same IQ, "possibly because they are more conscientious and better adapted to sustained periods of hard work".
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Post by gabriel on Dec 3, 2009 11:14:14 GMT
Goodness me - can you two just try and consider other posters for maybe half a minute. As all encompassing your personal feud may well be to you - it isn't to everyone else. Maybe, just maybe, we would like the opportunity to discuss something without your very well worn 5 year old baggage being displayed. Get a new tune! Just in case you don't know. june our new mod is not referring to gabriel in this discussion.
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Post by june on Dec 3, 2009 18:45:43 GMT
Goodness me - can you two just try and consider other posters for maybe half a minute. As all encompassing your personal feud may well be to you - it isn't to everyone else. Maybe, just maybe, we would like the opportunity to discuss something without your very well worn 5 year old baggage being displayed. Get a new tune! Just in case you don't know. june our new mod is not referring to gabriel in this discussion. Certainly not Gabe!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2009 19:07:02 GMT
In reply to Lonewolf, who quotes:
The study - carried out by a man - concluded that men's IQs are almost four points higher than women's.
British-born researcher John Philippe Rushton, who previously created a furore by suggesting intelligence is influenced by race, says the finding could explain why so few women make it to the top in the workplace.
He claims the 'glass ceiling' phenomenon is probably due to inferior intelligence, rather than discrimination or lack of opportunity.
Could there no tbe another explanation - that intelligent women want more out of life than the pressures of a so-called top job?
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Post by june on Dec 3, 2009 21:22:27 GMT
In reply to Lonewolf, who quotes: The study - carried out by a man - concluded that men's IQs are almost four points higher than women's.
British-born researcher John Philippe Rushton, who previously created a furore by suggesting intelligence is influenced by race, says the finding could explain why so few women make it to the top in the workplace.
He claims the 'glass ceiling' phenomenon is probably due to inferior intelligence, rather than discrimination or lack of opportunity.Could there no tbe another explanation - that intelligent women want more out of life than the pressures of a so-called top job? Only an idiot would think intelligence can be measured by IQ alone. ;D
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Post by jean on Dec 3, 2009 23:17:18 GMT
Can intelligence be measured even in part by IQ tests?
IQ tests measure what IQ tests measure. Whatever that is.
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Post by beth on Dec 4, 2009 4:46:52 GMT
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 4, 2009 11:13:08 GMT
Can intelligence be measured even in part by IQ tests? IQ tests measure what IQ tests measure. Whatever that is. iq tests measure intelligence, but ONLY intelligence, which is ONLY the ability to learn. three or four points don't mean shyt. it is an absolute that there were many women in the study who scored far higher than some males. nonetheless, having a genius iq doesn't mean squat. there are more than a few genius' who are just plain stupid besides that, women are far more capable than men. there is no male that could do everything that a woman has to do everyday, especially a woman with a family
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Post by Big Lin on Dec 4, 2009 16:36:29 GMT
IQ tests have LOTS of problems.
To begin with, they've been set up by white, middle class males (I think some nut called Binet was the bloke who started off the whole nonsense) and they don't mean a thing.
For instance, one of the most stupid men I know is a member of MENSA and one of the cleverest left school without a single qualification. The MENSA bloke is living on social security and off his wife; the bloke who left without a single qualification is an area manager for a large building company. He's also brilliant at computer programming and he also organises a fan club, as well as being a great family man.
Women and men aren't that different and I saw a programme on TV recently about the supposed racial effects of IQ. It concluded, after a very detailed examination of the evidence, that IF you put non-whites on the same basis of opportunity, they would score exactly the same.
It's also quite likely that us girls know that the whole IQ scam is a fraud and so we just don't take any notice of it.
Anyone who seriously thinks that IQ tests measure intelligence must be stupid!
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 4, 2009 20:44:59 GMT
The MENSA bloke is living on social security and off his wife Which just goes to show you that he is a lot smarter than the non-mensa bloke who has to work hard for a living. Geez, what a fricken dummy that guy is. ;D
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 4, 2009 22:13:54 GMT
I saw a programme on TV recently about the supposed racial effects of IQ. It concluded, after a very detailed examination of the evidence, that IF you put non-whites on the same basis of opportunity, they would score exactly the same. Don’t believe everything you see just because you happened to see it on television. We all started out as cavemen so the contention put forth by the program that we would all score the same is sheer bunk. After all, one need only take a look at the differences between Europe and sub-Saharan Africa to dispel such egalitarian nonsense.
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Post by gabriel on Dec 6, 2009 7:50:46 GMT
I saw a programme on TV recently about the supposed racial effects of IQ. It concluded, after a very detailed examination of the evidence, that IF you put non-whites on the same basis of opportunity, they would score exactly the same. Don’t believe everything you see just because you happened to see it on television. We all started out as cavemen so the contention put forth by the program that we would all score the same is sheer bunk. After all, one need only take a look at the differences between Europe and sub-Saharan Africa to dispel such egalitarian nonsense. This thread is about male and female not about Caucasians and other races. Just a heads up. Personally, I think women are great. Gabriel
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 6, 2009 12:25:36 GMT
This thread is about male and female not about Caucasians and other races. If I do not have the freedom on this website to comment on what others have written then please ban me immediately for a website that is opposed to the free exchange of ideas is not worthy of a moment of my time. Cordially, Lone wolf
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 6, 2009 14:53:30 GMT
I saw a programme on TV recently about the supposed racial effects of IQ. It concluded, after a very detailed examination of the evidence, that IF you put non-whites on the same basis of opportunity, they would score exactly the same. Don’t believe everything you see just because you happened to see it on television. We all started out as cavemen so the contention put forth by the program that we would all score the same is sheer bunk. After all, one need only take a look at the differences between Europe and sub-Saharan Africa to dispel such egalitarian nonsense. that's true, and it's been demonstrated that there is a difference, on average, between races. however, the differences between genders is each race would remain constant, and those differences are miniscule if you want to get downright technical, asians are the highest on the ladder, and throughout history have demonstrated it. after all, the chinese invented gunpowder, one of the most useful tools ever devised
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 6, 2009 14:55:37 GMT
Don’t believe everything you see just because you happened to see it on television. We all started out as cavemen so the contention put forth by the program that we would all score the same is sheer bunk. After all, one need only take a look at the differences between Europe and sub-Saharan Africa to dispel such egalitarian nonsense. This thread is about male and female not about Caucasians and other races. Just a heads up. Personally, I think women are great. Gabriel actually, it is REALLY about iq
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Post by lonewolf on Dec 6, 2009 19:18:34 GMT
if you want to get downright technical, asians are the highest on the ladder, and throughout history have demonstrated it. Nonsense! Either you need to have your head examined or your bifocals adjusted for there is no race on this planet that has achieved more in technology, science, medicine, literature, music, and art than the Caucasian race. after all, the chinese invented gunpowder, one of the most useful tools ever devised Yeah, well next time you flip on an electric light, use a computer, make a phone call, drive your car, use a washing machine, or fly overseas on an airplane try to remember which race made it possible.
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Post by gabriel on Dec 6, 2009 22:13:27 GMT
There seems to be a big interest in male and female psychology here however that may be defined. Male roles and female roles typical or stereotypical are also a topic of debate. How we react to other people based on gender is also an interesting topic. If a man, especially someone i don't know taps me on the shoulder i am immediately offended. If a woman does this i may be amused after being startled or offended. As a rule we don't tap a stranger on the shoulder to get their attention and i never do that! I thinks it's impolite, but i think women as a rule would find it much more impolite, if a man they don't know touches then i some form. I have gender based reservations about hand shakes too! Comments anyone? 1st post of this thread. Not started by me. Unless my English is very poor, this thread is about gender, not race. Maybe you need to pay closer attention when you read and before you post, lonewolf.
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