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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 12, 2019 9:56:29 GMT
I just saw a program that shows the horrible things that happen in the lives of insects. Spores can take over their bodies and grow, ending up killing the unfortunate insect.
Never knew that before. Some creatures suffer more than other creatures. This physical plane is definitely one of suffering. What can be done to alleviate this fact?
PS: Just remembered that there is no pain in the spiritual planes. BTW pain is is a protective aspect of life. Should something happen to the body a person knows that it has to be attended to in order for continued health. Plus it stops you from treading in something that would harm the body, such as fire or acids etc.
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Post by mikemarshall on May 13, 2019 22:52:11 GMT
I just saw a program that shows the horrible things that happen in the lives of insects. Spores can take over their bodies and grow, ending up killing the unfortunate insect. Never knew that before. Some creatures suffer more than other creatures. This physical plane is definitely one of suffering. What can be done to alleviate this fact? The saying 'nature red in tooth and claw' is an old one. It is yet another reason why I find it difficult to believe in a benevolent deity. Either the suffering in the world is agreeable to him (in which case he is a monster) or it is not (in which case he is either lazy or powerless.) In either event how can such a being be deserving of worship?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 14, 2019 1:42:32 GMT
I just saw a program that shows the horrible things that happen in the lives of insects. Spores can take over their bodies and grow, ending up killing the unfortunate insect. Never knew that before. Some creatures suffer more than other creatures. This physical plane is definitely one of suffering. What can be done to alleviate this fact? The saying 'nature red in tooth and claw' is an old one. It is yet another reason why I find it difficult to believe in a benevolent deity. Either the suffering in the world is agreeable to him (in which case he is a monster) or it is not (in which case he is either lazy or powerless.) In either event how can such a being be deserving of worship? I've never heard of that saying, but as I believe, there is a reason for everything. We are each given experiences suitable for what we need to learn. I think that life and the experiences that it brings is a wonderful thing. It is a pity that the people who commit atrocities have lost their way by the choices that they made in their ignorance. This is a dual world, a world of opposites so the forces of negativity and positivity exist. As a result we can choose what we allow to govern our lives. It is up to us. We are the ones that are responsible for whatever happens to us by our choices, so God is not to blame. This Spiritual Entity loves us all unconditionally and I will never refute this fact.
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Post by mikemarshall on May 16, 2019 21:50:31 GMT
The saying 'nature red in tooth and claw' is an old one. It is yet another reason why I find it difficult to believe in a benevolent deity. Either the suffering in the world is agreeable to him (in which case he is a monster) or it is not (in which case he is either lazy or powerless.) In either event how can such a being be deserving of worship? I've never heard of that saying, but as I believe, there is a reason for everything. We are each given experiences suitable for what we need to learn. I think that life and the experiences that it brings is a wonderful thing. It is a pity that the people who commit atrocities have lost their way by the choices that they made in their ignorance. This is a dual world, a world of opposites so the forces of negativity and positivity exist. As a result we can choose what we allow to govern our lives. It is up to us. We are the ones that are responsible for whatever happens to us by our choices, so God is not to blame. This Spiritual Entity loves us all unconditionally and I will never refute this fact. Self-evidently false. To say God is not to blame can only be a credible position if God is powerless to intervene (in which case he would be a rather strange kind of supreme being.) More fundamentally, you instance the behaviour of insects - does God give them free will? And what about volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis? Does God give them free will? On top of that karma is inherently determinist and therefore rules out the very POSSIBILITY of free will. To say nothing of the fact that the whole notion of human 'free will' is inherently dubious. And of course you completely ignore the fact that humans ARE in fact ANIMALS.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 17, 2019 0:20:21 GMT
I've never heard of that saying, but as I believe, there is a reason for everything. We are each given experiences suitable for what we need to learn. I think that life and the experiences that it brings is a wonderful thing. It is a pity that the people who commit atrocities have lost their way by the choices that they made in their ignorance. This is a dual world, a world of opposites so the forces of negativity and positivity exist. As a result we can choose what we allow to govern our lives. It is up to us. We are the ones that are responsible for whatever happens to us by our choices, so God is not to blame. This Spiritual Entity loves us all unconditionally and I will never refute this fact. Self-evidently false. To say God is not to blame can only be a credible position if God is powerless to intervene (in which case he would be a rather strange kind of supreme being.) More fundamentally, you instance the behaviour of insects - does God give them free will? And what about volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis? Does God give them free will? On top of that karma is inherently determinist and therefore rules out the very POSSIBILITY of free will. To say nothing of the fact that the whole notion of human 'free will' is inherently dubious. And of course you completely ignore the fact that humans ARE in fact ANIMALS. How could I ignore that we are animals when so much wickedness is going on in this world. No doubt that is one of the reasons why we are here. I don't know the answer to everything at this moment in time. I am still an initiate finding my way out of this plane ( the coarsest plane in Creation.) When I am no longer an initiate but a Master, that will be a different story. I keep telling everyone that we are Soul first and foremost but it is not sinking in. The physical body is the vehicle that houses Soul whilst it carries out the mission that it came here to do. We are each at the level of understanding that we have created for ourselves everything proceeds by steps and some people have chosen to hang back, taking their own time about it. So be it.!!!
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Post by kronks on May 18, 2019 7:49:56 GMT
I've never heard of that saying, but as I believe, there is a reason for everything. We are each given experiences suitable for what we need to learn. I think that life and the experiences that it brings is a wonderful thing. It is a pity that the people who commit atrocities have lost their way by the choices that they made in their ignorance. This is a dual world, a world of opposites so the forces of negativity and positivity exist. As a result we can choose what we allow to govern our lives. It is up to us. We are the ones that are responsible for whatever happens to us by our choices, so God is not to blame. This Spiritual Entity loves us all unconditionally and I will never refute this fact. Self-evidently false. To say God is not to blame can only be a credible position if God is powerless to intervene (in which case he would be a rather strange kind of supreme being.) More fundamentally, you instance the behaviour of insects - does God give them free will? And what about volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis? Does God give them free will? On top of that karma is inherently determinist and therefore rules out the very POSSIBILITY of free will. To say nothing of the fact that the whole notion of human 'free will' is inherently dubious. And of course you completely ignore the fact that humans ARE in fact ANIMALS.
There is no real problem with earth quakes, they would be the result of karma form a past life I guess and of decision made by choice so free will would still be there as I see it.
You view would mean that people would go unpunished however bad or evil they were and in that case you could say that would be a rather strange kind of supreme being, so really you would be finding fault whatever the case.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 18, 2019 9:05:50 GMT
Soul is a unit of awareness and is part of God. We have become individualised by being born into a human body and living in this physical plane, where we have experiences that we would not have otherwise. Obviously it teaches us something. It is up to us to find out the reason why.
On my way back to the Godhead I am being given certain enlightenment which adds up to initiations. These initiations prove that the information given is not something that people are normally aware of. Eventually we will know the ultimate reason for Creation, which I have been seeking since my childhood.
Besides that, I have made good use of the body by getting married and giving birth to six children, three girls and three boys. As I have always loved children, though all was not a constant bed of roses, I have been in my element. What more can you ask from this world whilst living here?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 19, 2019 4:05:42 GMT
I've never heard of that saying, but I believe, there is a reason for everything. We are each given experiences suitable for what we need to learn. I think that life and the experiences that it brings is a wonderful thing. It is a pity that the people who commit atrocities have lost their way by the choices that they made in their ignorance. This is a dual world, a world of opposites so the forces of negativity and positivity exist. As a result we can choose what we allow to govern our lives. It is up to us. We are the ones that are responsible for whatever happens to us by our choices, so God is not to blame. This Spiritual Entity loves us all unconditionally and I will never refute this fact. Self-evidently false. To say God is not to blame can only be a credible position if God is powerless to intervene (in which case he would be a rather strange kind of supreme being.) More fundamentally, you instance the behaviour of insects - does God give them free will? And what about volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis? Does God give them free will? On top of that karma is inherently determinist and therefore rules out the very POSSIBILITY of free will. To say nothing of the fact that the whole notion of human 'free will' is inherently dubious. And of course you completely ignore the fact that humans ARE in fact ANIMALS. God put everything in place as needed, right from the beginning. We are here to show what we are made of, so if God intervened all the time, would we be showing ourselves in our true colours? which is required.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 20, 2019 8:22:57 GMT
I've never heard of that saying, but I believe, there is a reason for everything. We are each given experiences suitable for what we need to learn. I think that life and the experiences that it brings is a wonderful thing. It is a pity that the people who commit atrocities have lost their way by the choices that they made in their ignorance. This is a dual world, a world of opposites so the forces of negativity and positivity exist. As a result we can choose what we allow to govern our lives. It is up to us. We are the ones that are responsible for whatever happens to us by our choices, so God is not to blame. This Spiritual Entity loves us all unconditionally and I will never refute this fact. Self-evidently false. To say God is not to blame can only be a credible position if God is powerless to intervene (in which case he would be a rather strange kind of supreme being.) More fundamentally, you instance the behaviour of insects - does God give them free will? And what about volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis? Does God give them free will? On top of that karma is inherently determinist and therefore rules out the very POSSIBILITY of free will. To say nothing of the fact that the whole notion of human 'free will' is inherently dubious. And of course you completely ignore the fact that humans ARE in fact ANIMALS. A person will always get a reaction from the Universe as that is what it has been designed to do when it came into being, so whatever you have put into action by the decision that you made, the reaction will pertain to that.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 21, 2019 9:04:20 GMT
I just saw a program that shows the horrible things that happen in the lives of insects. Spores can take over their bodies and grow, ending up killing the unfortunate insect. Never knew that before. Some creatures suffer more than other creatures. This physical plane is definitely one of suffering. What can be done to alleviate this fact? The saying 'nature red in tooth and claw' is an old one. It is yet another reason why I find it difficult to believe in a benevolent deity. Either the suffering in the world is agreeable to him (in which case he is a monster) or it is not (in which case he is either lazy or powerless.) In either event how can such a being be deserving of worship? Human beings cause their own suffering by the things that they initiate and put into action, otherwise no one would be responsible for anything, so you would not learn a thing. We ARE here to learn.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 25, 2019 1:57:51 GMT
I've never heard of that saying, but I believe, there is a reason for everything. We are each given experiences suitable for what we need to learn. I think that life and the experiences that it brings is a wonderful thing. It is a pity that the people who commit atrocities have lost their way by the choices that they made in their ignorance. This is a dual world, a world of opposites so the forces of negativity and positivity exist. As a result we can choose what we allow to govern our lives. It is up to us. We are the ones that are responsible for whatever happens to us by our choices, so God is not to blame. This Spiritual Entity loves us all unconditionally and I will never refute this fact. Self-evidently false. To say God is not to blame can only be a credible position if God is powerless to intervene (in which case he would be a rather strange kind of supreme being.) More fundamentally, you instance the behaviour of insects - does God give them free will? And what about volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis? Does God give them free will? On top of that karma is inherently determinist and therefore rules out the very POSSIBILITY of free will. To say nothing of the fact that the whole notion of human 'free will' is inherently dubious. And of course you completely ignore the fact that humans ARE in fact ANIMALS. Everything functions by reason of 'cause and effect' if something is blocked then that will produce an explosion hence creating a volcano.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 26, 2019 4:29:29 GMT
Self-evidently false. To say God is not to blame can only be a credible position if God is powerless to intervene (in which case he would be a rather strange kind of supreme being.) More fundamentally, you instance the behaviour of insects - does God give them free will? And what about volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis? Does God give them free will? On top of that karma is inherently determinist and therefore rules out the very POSSIBILITY of free will. To say nothing of the fact that the whole notion of human 'free will' is inherently dubious. And of course you completely ignore the fact that humans ARE in fact ANIMALS. Everything functions by reason of 'cause and effect' if something is blocked then that will produce an explosion hence creating a volcano. Ants have enough thinking power to remove the ants who are dying from the effects of the spores from their colony, so they must realise the importance of doing this. The Earth came together via a certain process so will continue to function from there due to cause and effect.
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Post by mikemarshall on May 29, 2019 15:22:37 GMT
Self-evidently false. To say God is not to blame can only be a credible position if God is powerless to intervene (in which case he would be a rather strange kind of supreme being.) More fundamentally, you instance the behaviour of insects - does God give them free will? And what about volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis? Does God give them free will? On top of that karma is inherently determinist and therefore rules out the very POSSIBILITY of free will. To say nothing of the fact that the whole notion of human 'free will' is inherently dubious. And of course you completely ignore the fact that humans ARE in fact ANIMALS. Everything functions by reason of 'cause and effect' if something is blocked then that will produce an explosion hence creating a volcano. Well, perhaps you should add David Hume to your reading list. As long ago as the eighteenth century he demonstrated conclusively that the whole notion of 'cause and effect' was simply a habit of mind and corresponded to nothing real. Or if you prefer more recent work you could study quantum physics where events routinely precede their 'cause.' Now as it happens karma (in which you believe) is so inherently determinist that it makes the very possibility of free will out of the question. Karma is the purest form of fatalism.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 30, 2019 0:39:58 GMT
Everything functions by reason of 'cause and effect' if something is blocked then that will produce an explosion hence creating a volcano. Well, perhaps you should add David Hume to your reading list. As long ago as the eighteenth century he demonstrated conclusively that the whole notion of 'cause and effect' was simply a habit of mind and corresponded to nothing real. Or if you prefer more recent work you could study quantum physics where events routinely precede their 'cause.' Now as it happens karma (in which you believe) is so inherently determinist that it makes the very possibility of free will out of the question. Karma is the purest form of fatalism. I don't happen to see it that way. There are many things that you do in life, so you can pick and choose. Sometimes I ponder over what I shall do today before I make up my mind. Surely if everything is predetermined, that wouldn't happen. What about that eruption in Yellowstone National Park. The eruption happened in an area that wasn't expected because the Geologists or the people concerned, expected it to erupt in a place that they had decided upon which meant that they were able to think differently.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 30, 2019 23:53:18 GMT
Hi Mike Marshall just having a bit of fun, by stressing RULE OUT the possibility of there being free speech. We are still at odds even about the words that we stress. LOL.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 1, 2019 4:03:01 GMT
Everything functions by reason of 'cause and effect' if something is blocked then that will produce an explosion hence creating a volcano. Well, perhaps you should add David Hume to your reading list. As long ago as the eighteenth century he demonstrated conclusively that the whole notion of 'cause and effect' was simply a habit of mind and corresponded to nothing real. Or if you prefer more recent work you could study quantum physics where events routinely precede their 'cause.' Now as it happens karma (in which you believe) is so inherently determinist that it makes the very possibility of free will out of the question. Karma is the purest form of fatalism. Many Scientists say that Creation came about as the result of a big bang, so you could say that the big bang was the cause of Creation and whatever happens afterwards is the effect. Once a process starts, surely it is reasonable to expect that things must continue in that way? What we put into action in this physical world will always be reciprocated as I have already explained in an earlier post. In order to do that we have to make up our minds before we act. Are you saying that our decisions are also ordained?which makes us robots. I would rather believe that we have been given free will and are reaping the consequences of our stupidity through lack of knowing the truth about what life constitutes. In the Bible we are asked to 'seek and we shall find' 'ask and we shall receive' I am doing that.
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