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Post by Big Lin on Jun 12, 2018 20:05:05 GMT
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Post by justbec on Jun 13, 2018 1:59:33 GMT
I thought he did a great job. He accomplished something No other President could. And so far he's kept every campaign promise. I think Obama kept... 1.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 14, 2018 20:16:38 GMT
I thought he did a great job. He accomplished something No other President could. And so far he's kept every campaign promise. I think Obama kept... 1. I'd say it's doubtful that no previous President 'could' have managed a meeting with the North Korean leader. The question is whether or not he's achieved anything by it. To me the US has made all the concessions and all Kim has given in return is vague and indefinite promises. It reminds me irresistibly of the Munich Treaty with Trump playing Chamberlain to Kim's Hitler. That didn't turn out too well, did it? Kept every campaign promise? Well, let's see. Where's the wall? What happened to repealing Romneycare? Just to take the two most obvious examples of unkept promises. But maybe you're more idealistic than me, Becky. I don't trust any politician especially ones who project themselves as being some kind of miracle worker.
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Post by justbec on Jun 15, 2018 14:34:38 GMT
The summit went well and Trump didn't give up anything. Sanctions stay in place until Kim does what he promised. And he has already started. He is sending home the remains of Soldiers who died in the Korean war. Something the U.S. has been trying to get done for decades. Where's the wall? It is being built. What happened to repealing Romneycare? Ask the Democrats, they are the ones blocking everything.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 15, 2018 21:19:33 GMT
The summit went well and Trump didn't give up anything. Sanctions stay in place until Kim does what he promised. And he has already started. He is sending home the remains of Soldiers who died in the Korean war. Something the U.S. has been trying to get done for decades. Where's the wall? It is being built. What happened to repealing Romneycare? Ask the Democrats, they are the ones blocking everything. Trump has abandoned military exercises; he's signed a meaningless treaty without teeth; for the sake of a photo opportunity he's traded substance; there are no provisions for verification and no time limit; he didn't even raise the issue of human rights (probably because he doesn't believe in them himself;) and in every respect it represents a cowardly surrender to one of the world's least stable and most brutal and authoritarian dictators. My parallel with Chamberlain's craven surrender to Hitler at Munich is accurate. As for the Wall, it isn't a proper wall; it will never be completed; Mexico won't pay for it; and as someone who rejoiced when the Berlin Wall came down I find it sad to see how the same Americans (and Brits like me) who cheered its demolition can possibly not find the whole idea of a 'wall' against Mexico despicable. After all, if it wasn't for the US' war of aggression against Mexico the border crossings wouldn't even exist because it would already be Mexican land. The Democrats haven't 'blocked everything;' even some Republicans have refused to go along with Trump. Let's not forget that Trump is no more a Republican than he is a Democrat; he is a RINO (like every Republican nominee from Reagan onwards except McCain and Romney) and he's simply using the Republicans and (as he wrote many years before) he knows that their stupidity (largely the fault of people like Bill Buckley who subverted the old Republican Party and turned it away from its historic roots as the party of Lincoln, Grant, Harrison, McKinley, Roosevelt, Taft, Norris, Landon, Dewey, Eisenhower, Nixon and Ford into the party of Ryan - and even he can't stomach Trump any more - and the rest of the slimy crew of yellow twicers who have betrayed the long and honourable Republican tradition.) Temperamentally I prefer the Republicans to the Democrats but Trump has corrupted them to an extent that even the likes of Reagan appear almost benevolent in comparison. Kim has played Trump like a fish just as Hitler did with Chamberlain. Theodore Roosevelt said 'speak softly and carry a big stick.' Trump tweets loudly and carries a feather duster! Maybe it's no accident that whenever I see him on TV I can't help wondering about his sexuality. Is he perhaps a closet gay?
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 15, 2018 21:26:30 GMT
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Post by justbec on Jun 15, 2018 21:29:11 GMT
LOL! He didn't abandon Military exercises he simply said they would not have them at this time. It's not like he blew up our military. Now I remember why I never argue with Trump haters.. no matter what he does it's wrong. He has gotten farther with Kim than any other President, the economy is booming, there are more jobs than people to work them and we are finally doing something about illegal immigrants. Is he GAY? Jesus.. I am done with this.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 15, 2018 21:45:35 GMT
LOL! He didn't abandon Military exercises he simply said they would not have them at this time. It's not like he blew up our military. Now I remember why I never argue with Trump haters.. no matter what he does it's wrong. He has gotten farther with Kim than any other President, the economy is booming, there are more jobs than people to work them and we are finally doing something about illegal immigrants. Is he GAY? Jesus.. I am done with this. For what it's worth I vastly prefer Trump to Clinton (Bill or Hillary) and I'm not a Trump hater so much as someone who is cynical about all his fake posturing. Trump pretends to be strong when really he's weak; he pretends to want free trade and yet slaps tariffs on; he's admitted that Obama wanted to go to war with North Korea; the economy is a mixed picture - the statistics show that Obama's regime (and I'd have voted Romney in 2012 just as I would McCain in 2008) saw MORE job growth in its last two years and the 'job growth' in Trump's first year is far lower than the two previous years of Obama. (And I'm not an Obama fan either!) On a personal note I'm a perennial swing voter; my politics can't fit into any tidy left/right box. I'm pro capital punishment, anti-abortion, pro gay marriage, pro gun control, pro publicly funded healthcare, pro immigration control, pro corporal punishment for violent offenders. Don't think I'm some kind of brainwashed leftist; I don't think you're a brainwashed rightist either. But I understand why you feel like you do; too many Americans see Trump in a completely one-dimensional way. We have similar problems in Britain with people on left and right dug into ridiculously paranoid and extreme positions that make them lose touch with reality. But whatever way I look at the summit all I see is Trump kissing butt and faking a peace settlement (just like Chamberlain did with Hitler.) I don't know if Trump is just naive or if it's something more sinister. But I do know that all the crowing about the summit is premature.
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