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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 5, 2016 4:40:44 GMT
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Post by kronks on Nov 5, 2016 5:13:04 GMT
I am really not keen on censorship, once you lose freedom of speech you can kiss goodbye to all your rights. Mind you I don't use Facebook anyway.
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Post by kronks on Nov 5, 2016 5:14:51 GMT
If people have a problem with what is being posted I'd advise them so stop reading it, self censorship so to speak, or rather not to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 17:09:21 GMT
If people have a problem with what is being posted I'd advise them so stop reading it, self censorship so to speak, or rather not to speak. the problem is people do read it and get influenced by it , we dont want another Hitler's Germany again do we?
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Post by kronks on Nov 5, 2016 17:56:14 GMT
If people have a problem with what is being posted I'd advise them so stop reading it, self censorship so to speak, or rather not to speak. the problem is people do read it and get influenced by it , we dont want another Hitler's Germany again do we? We don't want Stalin's Russia either, however censorships is Hitler's German. So we are doing the same thing. Once you have censorships anything is possible as you can get away with anything, it is very dangerous and not a route to go down. It is better to all views out in the open where they can be challenged.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 14:12:51 GMT
the problem is people do read it and get influenced by it , we dont want another Hitler's Germany again do we? We don't want Stalin's Russia either, however censorships is Hitler's German. So we are doing the same thing. Once you have censorships anything is possible as you can get away with anything, it is very dangerous and not a route to go down. It is better to all views out in the open where they can be challenged. that is not the society we live in nor is the society of Germany , there is no other side to this , the nazi view is not one that will be allowed to return and it that means censorship for the greater GOOD then so be it. nothing the nazi can say is worthwhile listening to or being aired, there is no good to it except pure hatred.
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Post by ariel on Nov 7, 2016 15:06:08 GMT
We don't want Stalin's Russia either, however censorships is Hitler's German. So we are doing the same thing. Once you have censorships anything is possible as you can get away with anything, it is very dangerous and not a route to go down. It is better to all views out in the open where they can be challenged. that is not the society we live in nor is the society of Germany , there is no other side to this , the nazi view is not one that will be allowed to return and it that means censorship for the greater GOOD then so be it. nothing the nazi can say is worthwhile listening to or being aired, there is no good to it except pure hatred. All I hear is xenophobic hatred and blame coming from Brits (especially on these boards) which is, basically, the same damn thing! After centuries of invasion after invasion, and plundering on a level that the world has never seen, Britons now just blame other people for its woes. Lassie might call the situation "Karma." And it's no coincidence that London, Scotland, and N. Ireland want out - and not from the E.U., but from Great Britain. In the U.S., we built most of it off of the backs of slaves, and drove Natives off their land. But people who are educated and progressive don't just stand back and deny it! We deal with these issues every day of our lives and work towards justice (including reparations.) Of course, if you are a Trumster, you just deny it. Does that sound familiar? Trumpism and Brexit: Two forms of the same problem.
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Post by ariel on Nov 7, 2016 15:08:18 GMT
If people have a problem with what is being posted I'd advise them so stop reading it, self censorship so to speak, or rather not to speak. That's true, but once people resort to constant insults because they cannot defend their arguments (e.g. Fret) then all bets are off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 16:42:33 GMT
that is not the society we live in nor is the society of Germany , there is no other side to this , the nazi view is not one that will be allowed to return and it that means censorship for the greater GOOD then so be it. nothing the nazi can say is worthwhile listening to or being aired, there is no good to it except pure hatred. All I hear is xenophobic hatred and blame coming from Brits (especially on these boards) which is, basically, the same damn thing! After centuries of invasion after invasion, and plundering on a level that the world has never seen, Britons now just blame other people for its woes. Lassie might call the situation "Karma." And it's no coincidence that London, Scotland, and N. Ireland want out - and not from the E.U., but from Great Britain. In the U.S., we built most of it off of the backs of slaves, and drove Natives off their land. But people who are educated and progressive don't just stand back and deny it! We deal with these issues every day of our lives and work towards justice (including reparations.) Of course, if you are a Trumster, you just deny it. Does that sound familiar? Trumpism and Brexit: Two forms of the same problem. you clearly do not know what you are talking about , London does not want out of Great Britain LOL that gave me a laugh ! Trump and Brexit have nothing to do with each other , yet again ignorance has no bounds
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Post by ariel on Nov 7, 2016 19:27:04 GMT
Well, then you haven't been paying attention. It's been brought up many times by Londoners that are heavily invested in the city and the economy. Laugh all you want. Laugh all the way to the bank if you like.
I'm afraid I do know what I am talking about, and I don't get my information from Breitbart or The Daily Mail.
I also find it very interesting how the most benighted people on these forums like to call others ignorant when they don't like what they hear.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 20:49:23 GMT
Well, then you haven't been paying attention. It's been brought up many times by Londoners that are heavily invested in the city and the economy. Laugh all you want. Laugh all the way to the bank if you like. I'm afraid I do know what I am talking about, and I don't get my information from Breitbart or The Daily Mail. I also find it very interesting how the most benighted people on these forums like to call others ignorant when they don't like what they hear. You don't know what you're talking about Londoners do not want to break away from being in Great Britain like you stated , that is complete BS
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 20:50:41 GMT
London is not a country it's a city.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 21:04:21 GMT
London as a city voted in favour of remain but so did other cities in the U.K. , they like the rest of England are stuck with that result which is the democratic will of the people. Scotland is a different matter they could have yet another referendum to leave the U.K. When it comes down to it though they will probably vote to stay like they did last time
After the brexit vote there was a lot of sour grapes on the part of remain a lot was said that was complete rubbish .
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Post by kronks on Nov 7, 2016 21:37:37 GMT
We don't want Stalin's Russia either, however censorships is Hitler's German. So we are doing the same thing. Once you have censorships anything is possible as you can get away with anything, it is very dangerous and not a route to go down. It is better to all views out in the open where they can be challenged. that is not the society we live in nor is the society of Germany , there is no other side to this , the nazi view is not one that will be allowed to return and it that means censorship for the greater GOOD then so be it. nothing the nazi can say is worthwhile listening to or being aired, there is no good to it except pure hatred. What you are proposing is part of the "Nazi view" Censorship won't stop a view or idea because you can't censor what people think or say to each other. If it is pure hatred people will reject it, the only way such a view can flourish is with the aid of censorship. Also as you mention the "nazi view" it implies you know what it is hence it is already well known, so there is not really anything to censor. You can't really censor a view because you need to know what the view is to censor it, hence you end up with all the censors knowing the nazi view and if it turns out they quite like it, well they already have the censorship mechanism in place required to promote it. I mean basically you are ending up with two classes of citizens, those allowed to know stuff and those who are not, ie a master race and everyone else, or as it is more commonly know, Nazism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 22:19:24 GMT
that is not the society we live in nor is the society of Germany , there is no other side to this , the nazi view is not one that will be allowed to return and it that means censorship for the greater GOOD then so be it. nothing the nazi can say is worthwhile listening to or being aired, there is no good to it except pure hatred. What you are proposing is part of the "Nazi view" Censorship won't stop a view or idea because you can't censor what people think or say to each other. If it is pure hatred people will reject it, the only way such a view can flourish is with the aid of censorship. Also as you mention the "nazi view" it implies you know what it is hence it is already well known, so there is not really anything to censor. You can't really censor a view because you need to know what the view is to censor it, hence you end up with all the censors knowing the nazi view and if it turns out they quite like it, well they already have the censorship mechanism in place required to promote it. I mean basically you are ending up with two classes of citizens, those allowed to know stuff and those who are not, ie a master race and everyone else, or as it is more commonly know, Nazism. But our laws already censor speech as we have crimes about language inciting people to commit crimes for example and hate or racist speech is censored by proscution under the law
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Post by mikemarshall on Nov 7, 2016 22:26:38 GMT
Well, then you haven't been paying attention. It's been brought up many times by Londoners that are heavily invested in the city and the economy. Laugh all you want. Laugh all the way to the bank if you like. I'm afraid I do know what I am talking about, and I don't get my information from Breitbart or The Daily Mail. I also find it very interesting how the most benighted people on these forums like to call others ignorant when they don't like what they hear. You don't know what you're talking about Londoners do not want to break away from being in Great Britain like you stated , that is complete BS One question, Ariel. Do you live in London? I do. And the simple fact is that while most Londoners (it varied from area to area - four areas voted to leave) voted to Remain - I and my wife were Leavers - there is not the slightest chance of London declaring independence. Scotland is a different matter; they have already had one independence referendum and the Scottish Nazi Party will continue its quest for an independent Scotland till Doomsday since that is their raison d'etre. But the idea that most Londoners - even immigrants - want 'independence' from the rest of Britain is a total fantasy. Now I freely admit that on issues about which people care passionately there will be disagreements. But name calling is no substitute for rational argument. I do not believe that any of our members here are 'benighted' however much I may disagree with them. And perhaps you should read the rules of this forum which do specify attack the post and not the poster. Please try to follow them. At present you are behaving like a female version of Donald Trump and that is not acceptable.
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Post by mikemarshall on Nov 7, 2016 22:37:45 GMT
All I hear is xenophobic hatred and blame coming from Brits (especially on these boards) which is, basically, the same damn thing! After centuries of invasion after invasion, and plundering on a level that the world has never seen, Britons now just blame other people for its woes. Lassie might call the situation "Karma." And it's no coincidence that London, Scotland, and N. Ireland want out - and not from the E.U., but from Great Britain. In the U.S., we built most of it off of the backs of slaves, and drove Natives off their land. But people who are educated and progressive don't just stand back and deny it! We deal with these issues every day of our lives and work towards justice (including reparations.) Of course, if you are a Trumster, you just deny it. Does that sound familiar? Trumpism and Brexit: Two forms of the same problem. you clearly do not know what you are talking about , London does not want out of Great Britain LOL that gave me a laugh ! Trump and Brexit have nothing to do with each other , yet again ignorance has no bounds Ariel, if you seriously imagine that you hear 'xenophobic hatred and blame coming from Brits' on this forum I can only suggest that you read people's posts with greater attention - and perhaps a greater willingness to listen and be open-minded rather than rush to judgement? Now I do not believe that any member of this forum other than yourself has posted anything that could be considered xenophobic. One or two posters have displayed what in my opinion is religious bigotry; one or two have displayed tendencies towards what I regard as racism; but xenophobia - hatred of foreigners - is something which I have not observed any poster besides yourself engaging in. You appear to have a xenophobic (and myopic) view of Britain and its people which tends to display itself in a scattergun display of insults, a highly selective (and frequently mistaken) view of British history and frankly I am disappointed by your constant xenophobia. Please refrain. You might like to consider that there are millions of British people and that it is as irrational for you to demonise us all as it would be for me to demonise millions of Americans. And you are seriously mistaken if you imagine that Trumpism and Brexiteering are remotely similar except for their common rejection of the political establishment. (And the irony is that Trump is about as establishment a figure as one can imagine - a billionaire, a 'celebrity' and a man who is famous more or less simply for BEING famous). Now I ask you again; please moderate the TONE of what you post. Racism and xenophobia are NOT acceptable on here and will not be tolerated. Please try and engage in dialogue rather than sermonising.
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Post by kronks on Nov 7, 2016 22:58:53 GMT
What you are proposing is part of the "Nazi view" Censorship won't stop a view or idea because you can't censor what people think or say to each other. If it is pure hatred people will reject it, the only way such a view can flourish is with the aid of censorship. Also as you mention the "nazi view" it implies you know what it is hence it is already well known, so there is not really anything to censor. You can't really censor a view because you need to know what the view is to censor it, hence you end up with all the censors knowing the nazi view and if it turns out they quite like it, well they already have the censorship mechanism in place required to promote it. I mean basically you are ending up with two classes of citizens, those allowed to know stuff and those who are not, ie a master race and everyone else, or as it is more commonly know, Nazism. But our laws already censor speech as we have crimes about language inciting people to commit crimes for example and hate or racist speech is censored by proscution under the law Yes we are indeed moving toward Nazism. I think people should be allowed to say whatever they like. Anyhow the Daily Mail for example is full of hate speech, so it seems you can use hate speech so long as you are targetting the right people. But you are right we do have a great deal of censorship because the media is largely staffed by the elite, same as the judiciary and army command. For example only today in the news were has some MPs going to visit Mike Ashley Sport's and them saying how terrible the working conditions are they. However you will *never* see anyone in the mainstream media pointing out that it is was those same MPs who put in place the welfare conditions that allow such appealing work practises to flourish. Yes they may be working in slave labour condition, but at least they are being paid a proper wage, which is more than you can say for those forced to work for their benefits or starve to death under the laws those very same shameless hypocrisies passed.
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Post by kronks on Nov 7, 2016 23:19:04 GMT
Anyhow what do you mean by Nazism, it seems to be collection of views.
For example should the Scottish National Party be banned from facebook?
I mean it is National Socialism, Nationalism is not banned and neither is socialism (except in the Daily Mail)..
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Post by ariel on Nov 8, 2016 0:21:13 GMT
London is not a country it's a city. Exactly. And was the world's premier financial center before Brexit. A city has expressed the desire to leave the U.K. That's what a serious and irresponsible decision it was. Now, the financial center will probably be in Paris or Luxembourg, and many of the people involved in finance are planning a leave. Do you know that the State of California has more financial power than all of Britain at this point? Do you understand the gravity of the situation?
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