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Post by kronks on Nov 4, 2016 23:47:50 GMT
Maybe in the internet age people could simply email their votes to Hillary and she could count them up.
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Post by blc on Nov 5, 2016 23:12:27 GMT
Never heard of Tammany Hall before but read a bit on wikipedia and it seems quite interesting. I suppose so long you have the paper ballots to fall back on for recounts there is not too much of a problem. I guess both machines and people can be tampered with so really you need human oversight from all parties to check all is above board. Yes and when you try to implement human oversight you get slapped with intimidation.
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Post by kronks on Nov 6, 2016 2:00:35 GMT
Never heard of Tammany Hall before but read a bit on wikipedia and it seems quite interesting. I suppose so long you have the paper ballots to fall back on for recounts there is not too much of a problem. I guess both machines and people can be tampered with so really you need human oversight from all parties to check all is above board. Yes and when you try to implement human oversight you get slapped with intimidation. Well if you have oversight from representatives of all parties there should not be a problem. If is only a problem if the oversight is from one particular party.
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Post by blc on Nov 6, 2016 2:16:43 GMT
Yes and when you try to implement human oversight you get slapped with intimidation. Well if you have oversight from representatives of all parties there should not be a problem. If is only a problem if the oversight is from one particular party. Do you realize that the Black Panthers stood at polling places carrying clubs and yet no charges were pressed? Guess which party let that slide?
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Post by kronks on Nov 6, 2016 2:39:11 GMT
Well if you have oversight from representatives of all parties there should not be a problem. If is only a problem if the oversight is from one particular party. Do you realize that the Black Panthers stood at polling places carrying clubs and yet no charges were pressed? Guess which party let that slide? I had not heard anything about that. However if that was the case and they were intimidating folk the police should have been called.
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Post by blc on Nov 6, 2016 3:01:26 GMT
Do you realize that the Black Panthers stood at polling places carrying clubs and yet no charges were pressed? Guess which party let that slide? I had not heard anything about that. However if that was the case and they were intimidating folk the police should have been called. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/6/problems-black-panthers-surface-pa-polling-places/ By Dave Boyer and Jim McElhatton - The Washington Times - Tuesday, November 6, 2012 Problems at the polls surfaced early Tuesday in the battleground state of Pennsylvania, with Republican election monitors being turned away from polling places and members of the New Black Panther Party appearing at voting sites in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania Republican officials said 75 election monitors from the party were turned away from polling places in heavily Democratic sections of Philadelphia Tuesday, but a judge has ordered them reinstated. “It certainly raises the question, what are Democrats doing in the polls that they are working so hard to shield folks from monitoring in this election?” state Republican chairman Rob Gleason said in a statement. The New Black Panther Party was back at the polls Tuesday in Philadelphia, where its members provoked a complaint of voter intimidation in 2008. A reporter for Philadelphia Magazine found a “uniformed member of the New Black Panther Party” Tuesday morning at the entrance to a polling place in the 1200 block of Fairmount Avenue in Philadelphia. The reporter, Victor Fiorillo, told the man he was going to take his photograph. “No pictures, please,” he replied. When the reporter asked the black panther if he was there to provide security, the man replied, “No comment.” Other Black Panthers reportedly showed up at a second polling place in Philadelphia Tuesday morning. On Election Day in 2008, three members of the New Black Panther Party stood outside a polling place in Philadelphia, with one of them brandishing a nightstick or baton. The Justice Department under President George W. Bush filed a civil complaint again three Black Panthers — Minister King Samir Shabazz, Malik Zulu Shabazz and Jerry Jackson — charging them with violating voter rights by using coercion, threats and intimidation. The Obama administration later dismissed most of the case, even though the Black Panthers had not contested the charges.
Eric Holder's justice department turned a blind eye to it and dismissed it instead of taking it to court.
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Post by kronks on Nov 6, 2016 3:47:29 GMT
I had not heard anything about that. However if that was the case and they were intimidating folk the police should have been called. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/6/problems-black-panthers-surface-pa-polling-places/ By Dave Boyer and Jim McElhatton - The Washington Times - Tuesday, November 6, 2012 Problems at the polls surfaced early Tuesday in the battleground state of Pennsylvania, with Republican election monitors being turned away from polling places and members of the New Black Panther Party appearing at voting sites in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania Republican officials said 75 election monitors from the party were turned away from polling places in heavily Democratic sections of Philadelphia Tuesday, but a judge has ordered them reinstated. “It certainly raises the question, what are Democrats doing in the polls that they are working so hard to shield folks from monitoring in this election?” state Republican chairman Rob Gleason said in a statement. The New Black Panther Party was back at the polls Tuesday in Philadelphia, where its members provoked a complaint of voter intimidation in 2008. A reporter for Philadelphia Magazine found a “uniformed member of the New Black Panther Party” Tuesday morning at the entrance to a polling place in the 1200 block of Fairmount Avenue in Philadelphia. The reporter, Victor Fiorillo, told the man he was going to take his photograph. “No pictures, please,” he replied. When the reporter asked the black panther if he was there to provide security, the man replied, “No comment.” Other Black Panthers reportedly showed up at a second polling place in Philadelphia Tuesday morning. On Election Day in 2008, three members of the New Black Panther Party stood outside a polling place in Philadelphia, with one of them brandishing a nightstick or baton. The Justice Department under President George W. Bush filed a civil complaint again three Black Panthers — Minister King Samir Shabazz, Malik Zulu Shabazz and Jerry Jackson — charging them with violating voter rights by using coercion, threats and intimidation. The Obama administration later dismissed most of the case, even though the Black Panthers had not contested the charges.
Eric Holder's justice department turned a blind eye to it and dismissed it instead of taking it to court. As I understand it the guy with the stick was escorted away by the police, as indeed he should have been. It is a fairly weak case, I don't know if anyone was threatened and it seems they were not. he does not appear to threaten anyone, and seem pretty polite. Would the cops have been called if he was white? It seems the incident was largely a storm in a tea cup, as he had not threatened anyone it would be difficult to prosecute him, if he had been threatening people I am sure he would have been arrested and charged, also as it was apparently a largely back area ( I think I read that), he was essentially wasting his time. Indeed he may have caused some black voters to vote republican!
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Post by blc on Nov 6, 2016 7:21:29 GMT
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/6/problems-black-panthers-surface-pa-polling-places/ By Dave Boyer and Jim McElhatton - The Washington Times - Tuesday, November 6, 2012 Problems at the polls surfaced early Tuesday in the battleground state of Pennsylvania, with Republican election monitors being turned away from polling places and members of the New Black Panther Party appearing at voting sites in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania Republican officials said 75 election monitors from the party were turned away from polling places in heavily Democratic sections of Philadelphia Tuesday, but a judge has ordered them reinstated. “It certainly raises the question, what are Democrats doing in the polls that they are working so hard to shield folks from monitoring in this election?” state Republican chairman Rob Gleason said in a statement. The New Black Panther Party was back at the polls Tuesday in Philadelphia, where its members provoked a complaint of voter intimidation in 2008. A reporter for Philadelphia Magazine found a “uniformed member of the New Black Panther Party” Tuesday morning at the entrance to a polling place in the 1200 block of Fairmount Avenue in Philadelphia. The reporter, Victor Fiorillo, told the man he was going to take his photograph. “No pictures, please,” he replied. When the reporter asked the black panther if he was there to provide security, the man replied, “No comment.” Other Black Panthers reportedly showed up at a second polling place in Philadelphia Tuesday morning. On Election Day in 2008, three members of the New Black Panther Party stood outside a polling place in Philadelphia, with one of them brandishing a nightstick or baton. The Justice Department under President George W. Bush filed a civil complaint again three Black Panthers — Minister King Samir Shabazz, Malik Zulu Shabazz and Jerry Jackson — charging them with violating voter rights by using coercion, threats and intimidation. The Obama administration later dismissed most of the case, even though the Black Panthers had not contested the charges.
Eric Holder's justice department turned a blind eye to it and dismissed it instead of taking it to court. As I understand it the guy with the stick was escorted away by the police, as indeed he should have been. It is a fairly weak case, I don't know if anyone was threatened and it seems they were not. he does not appear to threaten anyone, and seem pretty polite. Would the cops have been called if he was white? It seems the incident was largely a storm in a tea cup, as he had not threatened anyone it would be difficult to prosecute him, if he had been threatening people I am sure he would have been arrested and charged, also as it was apparently a largely back area ( I think I read that), he was essentially wasting his time. Indeed he may have caused some black voters to vote republican! A threat doesn't have to be verbally made or physically happen for intimidation to take place. Yes he was led away and others showed up at another polling place. The guy the reporter talked to said that they closed ranks when he tried to head for the door. THAT IS INTIMIDATION. The fact that the voter wasn't scared he said was because he had military background. Had they done that to me, I would have been intimidated and afraid to enter. How in hell would that make any black voter vote Republican? Would you be so fast to brush it off if it were Trump who had thugs with clubs blocking the entrance to the polling place, blocking blacks? Yes, if they had been white the cops would have been called and we would have heard about it 24/7.
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Post by kronks on Nov 6, 2016 10:55:49 GMT
Well I think it was a relatively minor incident and that is how the courts saw it, just a bunch of clowns, they were never going to prevent anyone from voting, the police would not have allowed it and and the didn't allow it. It is the USA not Zimbabwee!
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