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Post by kronks on Nov 3, 2015 2:20:14 GMT
I have not played a full game against it, just a few positions but I get the impression it is very good. Computers are very powerful these days, my new one is about 4 time more powerful than the last one I have which is turn was many times more powerful than the last. Hence the online ones are going to be very strong too, so there is no real need for most to download an actual program. Indeed a lot of things have gone that way, what you used to do on your own computer can now be done as well if not better on-line. I will have a go at beating it when I have more time!  Anyhow when I was playing it it was clear it could access complicated situations very quickly, far quicker than I could that is for sure! |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 3, 2015 16:24:35 GMT
I have not played a full game against it, just a few positions but I get the impression it is very good. Computers are very powerful these days, my new one is about 4 time more powerful than the last one I have which is turn was many times more powerful than the last. Hence the online ones are going to be very strong too, so there is no real need for most to download an actual program. Indeed a lot of things have gone that way, what you used to do on your own computer can now be done as well if not better on-line. I will have a go at beating it when I have more time! Anyhow when I was playing it it was clear it could access complicated situations very quickly, far quicker than I could that is for sure! |
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Post by kronks on Nov 6, 2015 3:31:19 GMT
I have not played a full game against it, just a few positions but I get the impression it is very good. Computers are very powerful these days, my new one is about 4 time more powerful than the last one I have which is turn was many times more powerful than the last. Hence the online ones are going to be very strong too, so there is no real need for most to download an actual program. Indeed a lot of things have gone that way, what you used to do on your own computer can now be done as well if not better on-line. I will have a go at beating it when I have more time! Anyhow when I was playing it it was clear it could access complicated situations very quickly, far quicker than I could that is for sure! Yes computers have increase massively in power since Kasparov's days will anyone ever be able to beat them again. I must have ago at that online computer sometime and see how I get on, not very well I would imagine! Maybe playing very defensively and going for a draw would be the best option but no doubt I would soon get beat anyway. The thing is computers do not tend to make stupid mistakes where as I do!!  |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 6, 2015 5:48:16 GMT
Computers play differently than humans do kronks . Of course I'm sure computer technicans are working to integrate the strengths that humans have in their computers. The best way to get a draw against a computer is to play a hyper agressive opening that is known to lead to a draw, usually by perpetual check. Your computer doesn't seem to like playing "open games" where these quick draws are more likely to occur. Big Lin blc mikemarshall |
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Post by kronks on Nov 7, 2015 4:34:11 GMT
Computers play differently than humans do kronks . Of course I'm sure computer technicans are working to integrate the strengths that humans have in their computers. The best way to get a draw against a computer is to play a hyper agressive opening that is known to lead to a draw, usually by perpetual check. Your computer doesn't seem to like playing "open games" where these quick draws are more likely to occur. Big Lin blc mikemarshall I am not used to playing aggressive games really, I kind of lack confidence so go more defensive. Your aggressive opening against me was a step into the unknown for me, good fun though lol!! |
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Post by kronks on Nov 8, 2015 3:50:03 GMT
Yea I think he will go bishop to g4 check and then I think he can take your castle,
but you could then go Q to g7 check and maybe get a castle back, not sure how it
pans out though, kind of hard keeping track of all the moves in your head!
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Post by kronks on Nov 9, 2015 4:04:22 GMT
Should be g1 not g7  |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 9, 2015 5:40:20 GMT
In the game kronks my opponent played his trap and reached this position. 1. .........Bg4 check Kb1 2.Rook takes Rook.... Queen to g1 check reaching this position from the previous position above.  |
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Post by kronks on Nov 10, 2015 5:19:59 GMT
Hmmm does not look too good for you he is one move off checkmate ie rook X D8
So you kind of have to keep him in check or find a way out, if he goes k-d2 you can go
pawn to f3 check, but might be better to go Q to f2 check which would later give you the chance
of taking the pawn on f4 which protects your castle from being taken for immediate checkmate.
Or if he goes k-b2 you go q-e3 chk he can't take your queen with his rook or it is check
so you can bring your rook down and take his and he can't back plus you are attacking his queen.
But there are other options for him, you will do well to wriggle out of this
You have to keep checking and hope to take his rook without loss.
Need to protect or move that rook somehow, on e8 it helps with attack, but whatever you have your work cut out saving the game!
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Post by kronks on Nov 10, 2015 16:52:40 GMT
In the game kronks my opponent played his trap and reached this position. 1. .........Bg4 check Kb1 2.Rook takes Rook.... Queen to g1 check reaching this position from the previous position above. oops posted in error! |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 10, 2015 17:25:15 GMT
In the game kronks my opponent played his trap and reached this position. 1. .........Bg4 check Kb1 2.Rook takes Rook.... Queen to g1 check reaching this position from the previous position above. Also I notice the position has changed, in the first diagram the black king is on c8, it is on b8 here, that make huge difference to the game! Of course the Black King moved to b8 after White sprung his trap with Bg4 check. The question is who is really stuck in a trap. |
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 10, 2015 17:28:33 GMT
Hmmm does not look too good for you he is one move off checkmate ie rook X D8 So you kind of have to keep him in check or find a way out, if he goes k-d2 you can go pawn to f3 check, but might be better to go Q to f2 check which would later give you the chance of taking the pawn on f4 which protects your castle from being taken for immediate checkmate. Or if he goes k-b2 you go q-e3 chk he can't take your queen with his rook or it is check so you can bring your rook down and take his and he can't back plus you are attacking his queen. But there are other options for him, you will do well to wriggle out of this You have to keep checking and hope to take his rook without loss. Need to protect or move that rook somehow, on e8 it helps with attack, but whatever you have your work cut out saving the game!
A series of check were played until White's position collapsed and the Black rook was never protected. |
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Post by kronks on Nov 10, 2015 17:42:44 GMT
Hmmm does not look too good for you he is one move off checkmate ie rook X D8 So you kind of have to keep him in check or find a way out, if he goes k-d2 you can go pawn to f3 check, but might be better to go Q to f2 check which would later give you the chance of taking the pawn on f4 which protects your castle from being taken for immediate checkmate. Or if he goes k-b2 you go q-e3 chk he can't take your queen with his rook or it is check so you can bring your rook down and take his and he can't back plus you are attacking his queen. But there are other options for him, you will do well to wriggle out of this You have to keep checking and hope to take his rook without loss. Need to protect or move that rook somehow, on e8 it helps with attack, but whatever you have your work cut out saving the game!
A series of check were played until White's position collapsed and the Black rook was never protected. Oh I see that is interesting, I though it might be possible to save the game one way or another, but it was hard to see how it would pan out as it is to difficult to keep track of the moves in your head. Indeed my last post was to say the back king had moved from the first diagram to the second but of course it was put in check earlier and had to move but I forgot about it. I might have a go or two as black against the computer myself and see how well I do probably not very well based on past experience! I find it quite hard to set up so that it is the right person to move though. Once it is set up it is find you can easily restart the same position. |
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Post by kronks on Nov 10, 2015 19:00:58 GMT
lost the first few time I played by I got perpetual check here
1... 2.Rxd3 Bg4+ 3.Kb8 Rxd3 4.Qg1+ Ke2 5.Qxg2+ Ke1 6.Qg1+ Kd2 7.f3+ Kc3 8.Bg7+ Kc4 9.Rd4+ Rxd4 10.Qxd4+ Kb5 11.c6+ Ka5 12.Qc5+ Ka4 13.b5+ Ka5 14.Qb6+ Kb4 15.c5+ Ka3 16.b4+ Ka4 17.Qc6+ Ka5 18.Qb6+ Ka4 19.Qc6+ Ka5 20.Qb6+ Ka4
Could probably have done a bit better
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Post by kronks on Nov 10, 2015 19:06:47 GMT
won with this
1... 2.Rxd3 Bg4+ 3.Kb8 Rxd3 4.Qg1+ Ke2 5.Qxg2+ Ke1 6.Qg1+ Kd2 7.f3+ Kc3 8.Bg7+ Kc4 9.Rd4+ Rxd4 10.Qxd4+ Kb5 11.c6+ Ka5 12.Qc5+ Ka4 13.b5+ Ka5 14.Qb6+ Kb4 15.c5+ Ka3 16.Qa5+ Qa4 17.Qxa4#
Only the 16th move is difference so seems I missed it first time, however I get a bit confused using step back as I and not sure who it is to move. However as it was just the last move I must have done it OK.
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Post by kronks on Nov 10, 2015 19:48:33 GMT
Yes the rook was not protected it was 9.....Rxd4+ which resolved the issue of checkmate by white rook X d8 checkmate.
Also I stepped it back a bit and let he computer make the moves and it won a different way
1... 2.Rxd3 Bg4+ 3.Kb8 Rxd3 4.Qg1+ Ke2 5.Qxg2+ Ke1 6.Qg1+ Kd2 7.f3+ Kc3 8.Rxd3+ Kxd3 9.Qe3+ Kc4 10.Qxe4+ Kc3 11.Bg7+ Kd2 12.Qe2+ Kc1 13.Bh6+ Kb1 14.Qe4+ Qc2 15.Qe1+ Qc1 16.Qxc1#
Which is one less move than the way I won!
But I ran it back again and it play differently, on the 4th black move ie Kd2 instead of Ke2
1... 2.Rxd3 Bg4+ 3.Kb8 Rxd3 4.Qg1+ Kd2 5.f3+ Kc3 6.Rxd3+ Kxd3 7.Qe3+ Kc4 8.Qxe4+ Kc3 9.Bg7+ Kd2 10.Qe2+ Kc1 11.Bh6+ Kb1 12.Qe4+ Qc2 13.Qe1+ Qc1 14.Qxc1#
But I can get a bit confused with it as in whether I am forcing black or white to move or whatever, however it does keep a list of the moves to the right of the board which helps I think.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 11, 2015 1:12:58 GMT
 It's depressing to get beat by a computer, but you learn. |
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Post by kronks on Nov 11, 2015 4:31:30 GMT
It's depressing to get beat by a computer, but you learn. They are very great for learning though especially when you can undo your mistakes and try again. I had a few more goes against the computer and it kept beating me!! Either it is getting smarter or I am getting dumber!! |
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