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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 7, 2015 1:56:59 GMT
Hi Menantol, ECKANKAR believes that people are responsible for every thought that is put into action, and will reap the consequence of that action through the law of Karma, instituted by God.
Whether fighting is friendly or not, just by engaging in fisticuffs you are going to harm another person whether by accident or intention. A person cannot have Divine love in their hearts and still be capable of harming another. It stands to reason then, that Satan is the influence in these cases of violent behaviour.
We all have the choice whether to fight or flee. This is not necessarily cowardice in my book, but whether you want to have a killing on your conscience, bearing in mind that you will be held responsible for your action.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 2:17:01 GMT
I broadly agree with most of what you say, Menantol, though I think you perhaps (and please forgive me if I'm mistaken) underestimate the Federalists and particularly Adams and Hamilton in terms of their influence on the direction of the US within its formative years after independence. Let's not forget not all thirteen states ratified the constitution at the same time - the last was Rhode Island if I remember in 1791. Before the adoption of the much more Federalist constitution the Articles of Association made for a much looser structure of government. It's also fair to say that Jefferson, with some hesitation, agreed to both the Louisiana purchase (which in his heart he distrusted) and the effective creation of a large central bank. Andrew Jackson too extended government control as did Tyler (partly through the war with Mexico) and to some extent Polk as well. Lincoln also shifted the centre of political gravity decisively in favour of more government intervention. In fact Grant, Harrison, McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt and Taft were all involved in extending government control to a greater extent than in any other democratic country in the world at the time. Sorry to put my history hat on; back to the present. I seriously disagree that a national healthcare system is a bad thing or some devious means to try and control people's liberty. Actually I believe that those who oppose it are seeking to control people by restricting access to adequate medical care to the better off. The question of which is more important - the profits of the healthcare insurance companies or the health of the people - should be a no-brainer. Frankly healthcare is one of the FEW areas - other than defence, police/prisons/law and order and education - where I see a role for government. I'd butt it out of pretty much every area of activity to be honest. Big Lim government promoted and run healthcare may be the greatest thing in the world but the national government has no power to provide it. The national government can do (and only do) those powers delegated to it in the Constitution and this isn't one of them.
Those who support government supported healthcare (apparently) don't believe that others (not supportive of government healthcare) also believe that all people should have healthcare. But those who do not support this government intrusion believe that government supported healthcare is inferior healthcare.
This is not a matter of healthcare or no healthcare but how healthcare for all is to be accomplished.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 7, 2015 2:35:43 GMT
Maybe the truth is that Eckanckar is the prime mover in every conspiracy and exists to enslave people to the worship of Satan. Or just maybe, Scottish Lassie, you haven't read your own words in an earlier post of yours. You said basically that we can't be sure we know anything. If that's true then a) you can't be sure that Eckanckar is what you believe it is; b) you can't be sure that there ARE all these alleged conspiracies and that they might all be hallucinations or deliberate hoaxes by practical jokers. So basically if you're genuinely saying you're not sure then you need to be a bit less quick to point the finger at groups you perceive as enemies. Just maybe a) they don't exist; b) they don't have the power you imagine they do; c) they're not all working for the same ends. Well stated on all points. Its clear that some people live in a world of paranoia where everything is a conspiracy. I feel sorry for those people. Me too BLC, apparently the person who created the thread seems to believe that conspiracies do exist, because various companies and organizations have been suggested plus BigLin has suggested another, which ofcourse couldn't be further from the truth!!!. I personally know of none. I did however mention three supposedly secret societies that could perhaps fit into this category. Apparently only the people who are guilty would know this for sure!!! So we are all back to square one with our theories. As has been pointed out so often, I have never been able to prove anything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 2:57:00 GMT
Hi Menantol, ECKANKAR believes that people are responsible for every thought that is put into action, and will reap the consequence of that action through the law of Karma, instituted by God. Whether fighting is friendly or not, just by engaging in fisticuffs you are going to harm another person whether by accident or intention. A person cannot have Divine love in their hearts and still be capable of harming another. It stands to reason then, that Satan is the influence in these cases of violent behaviour. We all have the choice whether to fight or flee. This is not necessarily cowardice in my book, but whether you want to have a killing on your conscience, bearing in mind that you will be held responsible for your action. Scottish Lassie, I accept that you believe this and in that sense, for you, for those of similar beliefs, but for others it is simply untrue clap trap. I apologize for being so blunt but what you promote is not the way the world works not the way that various cultures meet and mix. If your beliefs dominated the world humans would be extinct within three generations.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 7, 2015 13:23:06 GMT
Hi Menantol, ECKANKAR believes that people are responsible for every thought that is put into action, and will reap the consequence of that action through the law of Karma, instituted by God. Whether fighting is friendly or not, just by engaging in fisticuffs you are going to harm another person whether by accident or intention. A person cannot have Divine love in their hearts and still be capable of harming another. It stands to reason then, that Satan is the influence in these cases of violent behaviour. We all have the choice whether to fight or flee. This is not necessarily cowardice in my book, but whether you want to have a killing on your conscience, bearing in mind that you will be held responsible for your action. Scottish Lassie, I accept that you believe this and in that sense, for you, for those of similar beliefs, but for others it is simply untrue clap trap. I apologize for being so blunt but what you promote is not the way the world works not the way that various cultures meet and mix. If your beliefs dominated the world humans would be extinct within three generations. I don't know why you would think that Menantol. As the world is now with so many people being killed off, it seems that it is the wickedness of peoples actions that are decimating the population, so I don't know how you can come to that conclusion? And if these terrorists continue the way they are going, it may be sooner than you expect. I would love to live in a world where people treat each other with respect, so that we can enjoy life free from what is happening today. Do you think those refugees are happy? They shouldn't have to flee their country in fear of losing their lives. Is that what you call enjoying life?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 7, 2015 14:14:28 GMT
Hi Menantol, ECKANKAR believes that people are responsible for every thought that is put into action, and will reap the consequence of that action through the law of Karma, instituted by God. Whether fighting is friendly or not, just by engaging in fisticuffs you are going to harm another person whether by accident or intention. A person cannot have Divine love in their hearts and still be capable of harming another. It stands to reason then, that Satan is the influence in these cases of violent behaviour. We all have the choice whether to fight or flee. This is not necessarily cowardice in my book, but whether you want to have a killing on your conscience, bearing in mind that you will be held responsible for your action. Scottish Lassie, I accept that you believe this and in that sense, for you, for those of similar beliefs, but for others it is simply untrue clap trap. I apologize for being so blunt but what you promote is not the way the world works not the way that various cultures meet and mix. If your beliefs dominated the world humans would be extinct within three generations. Humanity is still here despite some of the wildest religious beliefs. Scottish Lassie 's beliefs are harmless compared to the Incas' and Mayas' and their human sacrifices. Not to mention the Stalinist extermination of 14 million Ukrainians in the Holodomor genocide en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor that no one talks about. I consider atheism and humanism to be religions too.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 7, 2015 14:33:44 GMT
The way a person behaves is all important.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 14:54:40 GMT
Scottish Lassie, I accept that you believe this and in that sense, for you, for those of similar beliefs, but for others it is simply untrue clap trap. I apologize for being so blunt but what you promote is not the way the world works not the way that various cultures meet and mix. If your beliefs dominated the world humans would be extinct within three generations. I don't know why you would think that Menantol. As the world is now with so many people being killed off, it seems that it is the wickedness of peoples actions that are decimating the population, so I don't know how you can come to that conclusion? And if these terrorists continue the way they are going, it may be sooner than you expect. I would love to live in a world where people treat each other with respect, so that we can enjoy life free from what is happening today. Do you think those refugees are happy? They shouldn't have to flee their country in fear of losing their lives. Is tthat what you call enjoying life? Scottish Lassie, that isn't what you said. Just to remind you: “ . . . Whether fighting is friendly or not, just by engaging in fisticuffs you are going to harm another person whether by accident or intention. A person cannot have Divine love in their hearts and still be capable of harming another. It stands to reason then, that Satan is the influence in these cases of violent behaviour. . . . “ I take from that statement that you are against any form of, and any degree of, contention between people. That could then be taken that you are against any form of professional sports, in particular those with physical contact. It is that attitude that I find unacceptable, that is, that you decide for others what is and what is not the right way to act. Humans do not act that way. As a species we are always in competition with one another in all sorts of areas. Religion for example, you have a certain way of looking at others as they are not following the right religion because they do not follow your religion. Members of other religions look at the world in exactly the same way but they believe that their religion is the correct one. This is a form of competition. Even to the point that I believe that my family is more important than your family. That is the human species. There have been many who have tried to have the type of world that you promote, that is (overstated herein) , that we can all hold hands and love one another and all will be just great, but the human species doesn't work that way and those that seriously try it simply fade away overtime. They have had as much impact as putting your finger in a bucket of water and then pulling it out, and shortly there is no evidence that it was ever in the water. Yet others have competed and left the world a better place. The competition between Nicola Tesla and Edison on which form of electricity (alternating current or direct current) would work for people. That was serious and direct competition and was not done with love in their hearts, but rather raw, straight foreword competition. And the world is a better place because of it. That two individuals find sport, enjoyment, life, in the act of fighting each other, to compete in many different forms, is very human and demonstrates respect for each other, but to not recognize that reality is very anti-human.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 11, 2015 2:08:43 GMT
Hi Men an tol, I understand what you mean, but the whole point of what ECKANKAR stands for is unconditional love and so a member would not wish to deliberately harm another human being. If it happens accidently, then that person will probably suffer a similar kind of accident farther along the time track, due to the law of Karma. No one misses out on anything that they have done even if it is an accident.
Sport ofcourse, is of this physical world and someone thought up the idea to charge to see the sport and that's another story. Perhaps greed has entered into the picture? and greed is a Vice. But whatever the case may be. Competition may not be a Godlike pursuit, as it is one person or a group trying to get the best of another person or group.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 11, 2015 3:19:17 GMT
Hi Men an tol, As for Nicola Tesla and Edison. I think wth Edison someone would have made a lot of money, with Tesla he envisaged that towers could have been set up and used to make the most of the electricity that you get from the electical storms that goes on in clouds. I read of it many years ago, so it is all a bit vague now.
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Post by blc on Oct 11, 2015 3:46:38 GMT
The competition between Nicola Tesla and Edison on which form of electricity (alternating current or direct current) would work for people. That was serious and direct competition and was not done with love in their hearts, but rather raw, straight foreword competition. And the world is a better place because of it. If you visit the Smithsonian, next to Edison's bust you will see Tesla's invention that revolutionized the world -drawing of Tesla's rotating magnetic field device, giving us polyphase AC and the AC motor. Reprehensible. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/lostjournals/lostjournals00.htmHere is the third grade school teacher that made it his mission to inform his students about Tesla and how he was all but forgotten. www.ntesla.org/ntesla/NT-P1.html
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 11, 2015 3:58:00 GMT
Hi men an tol, Each person that exists in this physical Plane is exactly where they are meant to be because they themselves have decided so. Whatever they believe, is what they have chosen to belive, so they must be content with that otherwise they would now have moved on to believing something else.
I have been a Christian for most of my life, but I became an ECKist because of experiences that I was given which made me realise that it was time for me to move on. So I made the decision to become a member of ECKANKAR. I have not regretted my decision.
I have had amazing experiences similar to the experieces that I was having before I ever knew about ECKANKAR. Which proves to me that I am being led by the Holy Spirit. Moving on is just like going to Primary School then when you are of age, you graduate to the next level, Secondary College, then University if you so wish..
Haven't you heard of the saying ? That when the pupil is ready then the Master appears. This is how it will always be, when a person's understanding of life changes, you are ready for the next level. That is logical as far as I am concerned. No one can take anything from another person in regard to their belief, it is all up to themselves.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 11, 2015 5:51:44 GMT
The competition between Nicola Tesla and Edison on which form of electricity (alternating current or direct current) would work for people. That was serious and direct competition and was not done with love in their hearts, but rather raw, straight foreword competition. And the world is a better place because of it. If you visit the Smithsonian, next to Edison's bust you will see Tesla's invention that revolutionized the world -drawing of Tesla's rotating magnetic field device, giving us polyphase AC and the AC motor. Reprehensible. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/lostjournals/lostjournals00.htmHere is the third grade school teacher that made it his mission to inform his students about Tesla and how he was all but forgotten. www.ntesla.org/ntesla/NT-P1.htmlThanks for the info BLC, I don't know if I will be able to make use of the links, sometimes they work for me, most times they don't. I will give them a try anyway and hope for the best.
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Post by interestedbob on Oct 14, 2015 11:54:47 GMT
I'm pretty sure we would not have reached the point of having electricity virtually everywhere in the world if we hadn't moved from DC current to AC current for high power applications. Controlling high voltage and current in a DC system is much more difficult than with AC, and more dangerous too, in my opinion. DC sparks, or arcing, can cause switch and relay contacts to weld themselves together in the 'ON' position, or burn away completely, both of which are less of a problem with AC.
We obviously need DC too, but it's mainly used in relatively low voltage situations such as vehicle and other batteries, and in electronic equipment, torches, and so on, because DC is very easy to store for portable use. AC cannot be directly stored without first being converted to DC and stored in batteries or capacitors, and then converted back to AC when required, and some loss of efficiency is inevitable during the conversions.
At the end of the day, we need both AC and DC current.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 13:27:58 GMT
You're right in your comparison between the pros and cons of DC verses AC electricity systems. In retrospect it is obvious, but not at the time.
Edison would have had DC generation sites all over the place, very expensive and very dangerous. Tesla who had worked for Edison knew that AC was the correct way but Edison wouldn't change his mind and began a campaign against Tesla and AC that was more like a propaganda drive than actual facts. If Tesla didn't have Westinghouse behind him today we would still be trying to make DC be the main current.
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Post by kronks on Oct 14, 2015 13:43:21 GMT
I'm pretty sure we would not have reached the point of having electricity virtually everywhere in the world if we hadn't moved from DC current to AC current for high power applications. Controlling high voltage and current in a DC system is much more difficult than with AC, and more dangerous too, in my opinion. DC sparks, or arcing, can cause switch and relay contacts to weld themselves together in the 'ON' position, or burn away completely, both of which are less of a problem with AC. We obviously need DC too, but it's mainly used in relatively low voltage situations such as vehicle and other batteries, and in electronic equipment, torches, and so on, because DC is very easy to store for portable use. AC cannot be directly stored without first being converted to DC and stored in batteries or capacitors, and then converted back to AC when required, and some loss of efficiency is inevitable during the conversions. At the end of the day, we need both AC and DC current. You can weld with AC as well as DC Not sure what he was trying to do here but they both made good welds. Basically the heat generated is current squared times the resistance AC is better for transmitting energy. Power is current x voltage But the resistance is current squared times the resistance so the lower the current the less power is lost transmitting power, so to transmit you lower the current and raise the voltage.
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Post by kronks on Oct 14, 2015 13:47:17 GMT
One other thing is computers use DC, well the microprocessors and memory do.
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Post by interestedbob on Oct 22, 2015 17:53:43 GMT
Your comment about AC being able to weld is quite correct, kronks, but the problem of switch and relay contacts welding together is less likely to occur with AC, because, as you correctly pointed out, with AC you use higher voltages and so draw less current. With DC, unless you use equally high voltages, which is not the usual way of using DC, the current drawn is much higher than with AC, and as it's the current that determines how much heat is produced, for a similar wattage, DC is more likely to cause contacts to weld than AC.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 23, 2015 0:05:07 GMT
Bob, you left out the 'mining on other planets'. Everything seems to be a conspiracy, if you ask the right person. Hi Blc, The goings on in this world is so strange, that to me, anything is pssible. Half of these things that I have heard since being on the Internet, boggles the mind. I certainly didn't know beforehand. It would seem that I live in a totally different world as I was oblivious to what I know now,if any of it is the truth. Crazy!!!
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