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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 17:15:51 GMT
The world is a wondrous place with unending people and beliefs and stories of things that have happened. Following is a true story from my family in the Southern mountain regions of the United States.
It seems that there were two brothers who live deep in the mountains and that twice a year they would come to town to be around a lot of people (this was a big town as there were about 400 or 500 people living there) in an area less remote than where the brothers lived far deep in the mountains.
These brothers would play cards and dance and just generally have fun. A little lighthearted fighting would be part of that fun intermixed with the drinking (store bought drink rather than the more typical home made lightening in a bottle.)
Well, it seems as the evening progressed one of the brothers came to odds with a town man and they got to talking at increasingly high volume levels. Finally they came to believe that they should step outside in the street and emphasize their points of view in a more physical way.
I should say that this was a long time ago and this little town had dirt streets and wooden sidewalks and people used horses rather than cars.
Well anyway, they soon realized that words emphasized with a fist just didn't seem to do more than split a lip and that was just part of the fun. So they each pulled a knife. Now it should be understood at this point that neither one was serious and that this was just part of the fun and besides, whats a scratch or two between friends, and by this time they were getting real friendly.
You also want to keep in mind that they both had been imbibing a lot so they were not as steady as they might have been or the next thing would never have happened. It seems that the brother doing the fighting with the knife leaned a little too close and caught the town man in his stomach. Don't be too concerned because all it did was to open him up a little vertically so that his innards began to ooze out some and of course there was blood. To the disappointment of the crowd this brought the fight to a pause.
Now you have to picture this as it was at the time. Quite a number of men outside watching the physical discussion and passing a bottle (or two or three) around and then this little old cut had to go and spoil the fun. The one who got cut sat down on the street and begun to moan that he was dying. He was putting on somewhat because nothing important had been cut. So the men began discussing what should be done. To us today it might seem logical to get the local doctor (although he was over at the county seat.) So they finally agreed that it would be a good idea to get the blood flowing stopped. Again, that would seem to be a reason to get the doctor, but in those times there was more belief in myth and magic, and someone remembered that old widow lady (sort of a witch like crone) lived not far out of town. So they did the really smart thing as it was quickly agreed to go to the witch lady.
Pretty soon someone came leading a horse drawn wagon and someone else put a mattress on it and then they lifted the wounded town man on to the mattress. Then off the whole bunch of them went to the old ladies house on the edge of town. You see they also remembered that she had secret sayings from the bible that could stop the flow of blood (she apparently had another bible saying that could cure carbuncles). So (bringing along the bottles they were passing around) they went off to the old woman's house.
I'm guessing that her bible sayings worked because the town man didn't die. I suspect that she probably sewed him up too. The brothers went back to their home deeper in the mountains and the crowd dispersed to relate all of this to their long suffering girl friends and wives.
As I say, the world and its people are wondrous things with no ending of stories and understanding of how real magic is still there and still works. Since this is a true story, then magic must also be true. Would someone please pass the bottle my way!
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Post by interestedbob on Oct 5, 2015 17:33:11 GMT
If anyone is interested in reading 'The Hidden Hand' by Arnold White, which Big Lin mentioned, it is available free here as a PDF file. It was published in 1917, and from the few pages I have read so far, it seems to be concerned with German activity around that period of time.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 5, 2015 17:48:05 GMT
You are forced to believe either that government and whatever influences it is extremely stupid and incompetent or that there is a hidden agenda getting the US involved in foreign wars that only paves the way for one world government and costs American lives.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 5, 2015 20:31:01 GMT
You are forced to believe either that government and whatever influences it is extremely stupid and incompetent or that there is a hidden agenda getting the US involved in foreign wars that only paves the way for one world government and costs American lives. The way I see it, Anna is that countries are no longer cut off from each other by lack of being able to get there within a certain time and we also know what is going on in these countries, so when we see that there are problems, decent people like to help. A person can't stand by and watch all the inhumane treatment being perpetrated on people, such as ethnic cleansing. We are all part of the one world so should try to put an end to this kind of behaviour by whatever means is considered best by those in authority. Killing people is not the answer so we try to resolve all problems by peaceful means if we can, but ofcourse this is not always possible. I don't have the anwers, that's for sure, but I do know that we shouldn't be killing each other. Whether some authorities have ulterior motives for intervening in another country's business, I have no knowledge.
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Post by interestedbob on Oct 5, 2015 23:05:23 GMT
Good point, well made, Scottish Lassie. Maybe, just maybe, there isn't always an ulterior motive.
I bet that surprised you, didn't it?
Have a nice day.
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Post by interestedbob on Oct 5, 2015 23:22:08 GMT
You are forced to believe either that government and whatever influences it is extremely stupid and incompetent or that there is a hidden agenda getting the US involved in foreign wars that only paves the way for one world government and costs American lives. I think you will find that a large number of British lives, and those of other nationalities, have also been lost as a result of the foreign wars the US has become involved in, ♫anna♫, or don't the lives of your allies count? Please feel free to leave us out of any other conflicts you plan on entering into, I'm sure no-one on this side of the Atlantic will mind too much. Have a nice day.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 5, 2015 23:57:18 GMT
Good point, well made, Scottish Lassie[span style="font-size:11pt;"]. Maybe, just maybe, there isn't always an ulterior motive. [/span] [/div]
I bet that surprised you, didn't it?
Have a nice day. [/quote] Hi Interested Bob, one thing is for sure, we the public, don't always know what the Government is up to, because some things do have to be kept secret for the safety of the country. We don't always know either, what certain organizations are doing. But as far as I am concerned, there is a price to be paid, whatever is done.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 6, 2015 8:33:02 GMT
Good point, well made, Scottish Lassie. Maybe, just maybe, there isn't always an ulterior motive.
I bet that surprised you, didn't it?
Have a nice day. Hi Interested Bob, The whole point is that we don't know anything for sure. If there is a bit of conniving going on the Governments or Organisations are not going broadcast it. Are they?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 6, 2015 8:59:20 GMT
The world is a wondrous place with unending people and beliefs and stories of things that have happened. Following is a true story from my family in the Southern mountain regions of the United States. It seems that there were two brothers who live deep in the mountains and that twice a year they would come to town to be around a lot of people (this was a big town as there were about 400 or 500 people living there) in an area less remote than where the brothers lived far deep in the mountains. These brothers would play cards and dance and just generally have fun. A little lighthearted fighting would be part of that fun intermixed with the drinking (store bought drink rather than the more typical home made lightening in a bottle.) Well, it seems as the evening progressed one of the brothers came to odds with a town man and they got to talking at increasingly high volume levels. Finally they came to believe that they should step outside in the street and emphasize their points of view in a more physical way. I should say that this was a long time ago and this little town had dirt streets and wooden sidewalks and people used horses rather than cars. Well anyway, they soon realized that words emphasized with a fist just didn't seem to do more than split a lip and that was just part of the fun. So they each pulled a knife. Now it should be understood at this point that neither one was serious and that this was just part of the fun and besides, whats a scratch or two between friends, and by this time they were getting real friendly. You also want to keep in mind that they both had been imbibing a lot so they were not as steady as they might have been or the next thing would never have happened. It seems that the brother doing the fighting with the knife leaned a little too close and caught the town man in his stomach. Don't be too concerned because all it did was to open him up a little vertically so that his innards began to ooze out some and of course there was blood. To the disappointment of the crowd this brought the fight to a pause. Now you have to picture this as it was at the time. Quite a number of men outside watching the physical discussion and passing a bottle (or two or three) around and then this little old cut had to go and spoil the fun. The one who got cut sat down on the street and begun to moan that he was dying. He was putting on somewhat because nothing important had been cut. So the men began discussing what should be done. To us today it might seem logical to get the local doctor (although he was over at the county seat.) So they finally agreed that it would be a good idea to get the blood flowing stopped. Again, that would seem to be a reason to get the doctor, but in those times there was more belief in myth and magic, and someone remembered that old widow lady (sort of a witch like crone) lived not far out of town. So they did the really smart thing as it was quickly agreed to go to the witch lady. Pretty soon someone came leading a horse drawn wagon and someone else put a mattress on it and then they lifted the wounded town man on to the mattress. Then off the whole bunch of them went to the old ladies house on the edge of town. You see they also remembered that she had secret sayings from the bible that could stop the flow of blood (she apparently had another bible saying that could cure carbuncles). So (bringing along the bottles they were passing around) they went off to the old woman's house. I'm guessing that her bible sayings worked because the town man didn't die. I suspect that she probably sewed him up too. The brothers went back to their home deeper in the mountains and the crowd dispersed to relate all of this to their long suffering girl friends and wives. As I say, the world and its people are wondrous things with no ending of stories and understanding of how real magic is still there and still works. Since this is a true story, then magic must also be true. Would someone please pass the bottle my way! Hi Menantol, One thing that I am extremely serious about is: That warring of anykind is just plain stupidity!!! and always will be, whether it is just fisticuffs between friends or all out war. I dislike violence of anykind and those who practise it, are still primitive in their thinking.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 6, 2015 13:46:21 GMT
You are forced to believe either that government and whatever influences it is extremely stupid and incompetent or that there is a hidden agenda getting the US involved in foreign wars that only paves the way for one world government and costs American lives. I think you will find that a large number of British lives, and those of other nationalities, have also been lost as a result of the foreign wars the US has become involved in, ♫anna♫, or don't the lives of your allies count? Please feel free to leave us out of any other conflicts you plan on entering into, I'm sure no-one on this side of the Atlantic will mind too much. Have a nice day. Dearest interestedbob , The USA is since the Federal Reserve takeover of it's economy in 1913 no longer a sovereign nation. Great Britain likewise is no longer a sovereign nation since it entrusted it's economy to private central bankers either. These are not capitalist bankers, but international plutocrats with an agenda. The wealth beyond imagination that they have accumulated has been used to buy up the political parties, infiltrate and take over the intelligence agencies of the nations they control, finance industry, buy up the media, dumb down the educational system and create the conditions for foreign wars.
The real pre "Federal Reserve" USA under President James Monroe advocated a Switzerland type neutrality concerning foreign wars and never financed the provocateurs who caused them nor fought them out. This is all made clear in the Monroe Doctrine . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 13:48:12 GMT
The world is a wondrous place with unending people and beliefs and stories of things that have happened. Following is a true story from my family in the Southern mountain regions of the United States. It seems that there were two brothers who live deep in the mountains and that twice a year they would come to town to be around a lot of people (this was a big town as there were about 400 or 500 people living there) in an area less remote than where the brothers lived far deep in the mountains. These brothers would play cards and dance and just generally have fun. A little lighthearted fighting would be part of that fun intermixed with the drinking (store bought drink rather than the more typical home made lightening in a bottle.) Well, it seems as the evening progressed one of the brothers came to odds with a town man and they got to talking at increasingly high volume levels. Finally they came to believe that they should step outside in the street and emphasize their points of view in a more physical way. I should say that this was a long time ago and this little town had dirt streets and wooden sidewalks and people used horses rather than cars. Well anyway, they soon realized that words emphasized with a fist just didn't seem to do more than split a lip and that was just part of the fun. So they each pulled a knife. Now it should be understood at this point that neither one was serious and that this was just part of the fun and besides, whats a scratch or two between friends, and by this time they were getting real friendly. You also want to keep in mind that they both had been imbibing a lot so they were not as steady as they might have been or the next thing would never have happened. It seems that the brother doing the fighting with the knife leaned a little too close and caught the town man in his stomach. Don't be too concerned because all it did was to open him up a little vertically so that his innards began to ooze out some and of course there was blood. To the disappointment of the crowd this brought the fight to a pause. Now you have to picture this as it was at the time. Quite a number of men outside watching the physical discussion and passing a bottle (or two or three) around and then this little old cut had to go and spoil the fun. The one who got cut sat down on the street and begun to moan that he was dying. He was putting on somewhat because nothing important had been cut. So the men began discussing what should be done. To us today it might seem logical to get the local doctor (although he was over at the county seat.) So they finally agreed that it would be a good idea to get the blood flowing stopped. Again, that would seem to be a reason to get the doctor, but in those times there was more belief in myth and magic, and someone remembered that old widow lady (sort of a witch like crone) lived not far out of town. So they did the really smart thing as it was quickly agreed to go to the witch lady. Pretty soon someone came leading a horse drawn wagon and someone else put a mattress on it and then they lifted the wounded town man on to the mattress. Then off the whole bunch of them went to the old ladies house on the edge of town. You see they also remembered that she had secret sayings from the bible that could stop the flow of blood (she apparently had another bible saying that could cure carbuncles). So (bringing along the bottles they were passing around) they went off to the old woman's house. I'm guessing that her bible sayings worked because the town man didn't die. I suspect that she probably sewed him up too. The brothers went back to their home deeper in the mountains and the crowd dispersed to relate all of this to their long suffering girl friends and wives. As I say, the world and its people are wondrous things with no ending of stories and understanding of how real magic is still there and still works. Since this is a true story, then magic must also be true. Would someone please pass the bottle my way! I think I didn't make my point clear enough. While the story is true it was meant to demonstrate how the ideas of magic and myth can come about and continue with us for the dumbest of reasons or no reason at all.
I suspect that many have never been around happy drunks and how a group of them decide as to what is the best thing to do. That is, common sense not required. Here that was applied to using the supposed magic of an old woman and my comments (obviously not clear) is that to thinking people such (magic et at) doesn't exist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 14:01:16 GMT
The world is a wondrous place with unending people and beliefs and stories of things that have happened. Following is a true story from my family in the Southern mountain regions of the United States. It seems that there were two brothers who live deep in the mountains and that twice a year they would come to town to be around a lot of people (this was a big town as there were about 400 or 500 people living there) in an area less remote than where the brothers lived far deep in the mountains. These brothers would play cards and dance and just generally have fun. A little lighthearted fighting would be part of that fun intermixed with the drinking (store bought drink rather than the more typical home made lightening in a bottle.) Well, it seems as the evening progressed one of the brothers came to odds with a town man and they got to talking at increasingly high volume levels. Finally they came to believe that they should step outside in the street and emphasize their points of view in a more physical way. I should say that this was a long time ago and this little town had dirt streets and wooden sidewalks and people used horses rather than cars. Well anyway, they soon realized that words emphasized with a fist just didn't seem to do more than split a lip and that was just part of the fun. So they each pulled a knife. Now it should be understood at this point that neither one was serious and that this was just part of the fun and besides, whats a scratch or two between friends, and by this time they were getting real friendly. You also want to keep in mind that they both had been imbibing a lot so they were not as steady as they might have been or the next thing would never have happened. It seems that the brother doing the fighting with the knife leaned a little too close and caught the town man in his stomach. Don't be too concerned because all it did was to open him up a little vertically so that his innards began to ooze out some and of course there was blood. To the disappointment of the crowd this brought the fight to a pause. Now you have to picture this as it was at the time. Quite a number of men outside watching the physical discussion and passing a bottle (or two or three) around and then this little old cut had to go and spoil the fun. The one who got cut sat down on the street and begun to moan that he was dying. He was putting on somewhat because nothing important had been cut. So the men began discussing what should be done. To us today it might seem logical to get the local doctor (although he was over at the county seat.) So they finally agreed that it would be a good idea to get the blood flowing stopped. Again, that would seem to be a reason to get the doctor, but in those times there was more belief in myth and magic, and someone remembered that old widow lady (sort of a witch like crone) lived not far out of town. So they did the really smart thing as it was quickly agreed to go to the witch lady. Pretty soon someone came leading a horse drawn wagon and someone else put a mattress on it and then they lifted the wounded town man on to the mattress. Then off the whole bunch of them went to the old ladies house on the edge of town. You see they also remembered that she had secret sayings from the bible that could stop the flow of blood (she apparently had another bible saying that could cure carbuncles). So (bringing along the bottles they were passing around) they went off to the old woman's house. I'm guessing that her bible sayings worked because the town man didn't die. I suspect that she probably sewed him up too. The brothers went back to their home deeper in the mountains and the crowd dispersed to relate all of this to their long suffering girl friends and wives. As I say, the world and its people are wondrous things with no ending of stories and understanding of how real magic is still there and still works. Since this is a true story, then magic must also be true. Would someone please pass the bottle my way! Hi Menantol, One thing that I am extremely serious about is: That warring of anykind is just plain stupidity!!! and always will be, whether it is just fisticuffs between friends or all out war. I dislike violence of anykind and those who practise it, are still primitive in their thinking. Clearly Scottish Lassie we will disagree on this subject. The type of fighting among friends that I was describing is little more than a hal serious game, after which (no matter who won or lost or no body winning or losing) all parties go have a drink and laugh. Real war is often not a choice. War is often defensive in nature. To not enter into a war with the intent to protect yourself and what is yours, is (to me) sub-human and a clear road to extinction. To make a decision that 'others' should not enter into such defensive acts is in itself (for me) committing violence against that person.
I understand that we will not agree here, but it are those who act without consideration for the realities of the world that contribute to violence. That is, by not preparing to defend ones country or self they create an open door for those who will come and commit violence.
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Post by Big Lin on Oct 6, 2015 15:14:12 GMT
Maybe the truth is that Eckanckar is the prime mover in every conspiracy and exists to enslave people to the worship of Satan.
Or just maybe, Scottish Lassie, you haven't read your own words in an earlier post of yours.
You said basically that we can't be sure we know anything.
If that's true then a) you can't be sure that Eckanckar is what you believe it is; b) you can't be sure that there ARE all these alleged conspiracies and that they might all be hallucinations or deliberate hoaxes by practical jokers.
So basically if you're genuinely saying you're not sure then you need to be a bit less quick to point the finger at groups you perceive as enemies.
Just maybe a) they don't exist; b) they don't have the power you imagine they do; c) they're not all working for the same ends.
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Post by blc on Oct 6, 2015 17:13:05 GMT
Maybe the truth is that Eckanckar is the prime mover in every conspiracy and exists to enslave people to the worship of Satan. Or just maybe, Scottish Lassie, you haven't read your own words in an earlier post of yours. You said basically that we can't be sure we know anything. If that's true then a) you can't be sure that Eckanckar is what you believe it is; b) you can't be sure that there ARE all these alleged conspiracies and that they might all be hallucinations or deliberate hoaxes by practical jokers. So basically if you're genuinely saying you're not sure then you need to be a bit less quick to point the finger at groups you perceive as enemies. Just maybe a) they don't exist; b) they don't have the power you imagine they do; c) they're not all working for the same ends. Well stated on all points. Its clear that some people live in a world of paranoia where everything is a conspiracy. I feel sorry for those people.
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Post by interestedbob on Oct 6, 2015 17:32:18 GMT
I think you will find that a large number of British lives, and those of other nationalities, have also been lost as a result of the foreign wars the US has become involved in, ♫anna♫, or don't the lives of your allies count?
Please feel free to leave us out of any other conflicts you plan on entering into, I'm sure no-one on this side of the Atlantic will mind too much.Have a nice day. Dearest interestedbob , The USA is since the Federal Reserve takeover of it's economy in 1913 no longer a sovereign nation. Great Britain likewise is no longer a sovereign nation since it entrusted it's economy to private central bankers either. These are not capitalist bankers, but international plutocrats with an agenda. The wealth beyond imagination that they have accumulated has been used to buy up the political parties, infiltrate and take over the intelligence agencies of the nations they control, finance industry, buy up the media, dumb down the educational system and create the conditions for foreign wars.
The real pre "Federal Reserve" USA under President James Monroe advocated a Switzerland type neutrality concerning foreign wars and never financed the provocateurs who caused them nor fought them out. This is all made clear in the Monroe Doctrine . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine
I wasn't disagreeing with your views on who owns the country, ♫anna♫, I was pointing out that American lives were not the only ones being lost as a result of the foreign wars the US has become involved in. You only mentioned the American lives, as if the lives of the allies didn't matter. Regarding your comment about the Federal Reserve taking over your country, if one president could sign it into existence, another president can sign it out of existence, and take over its assets on behalf of the nation. I think that's what's called Nationalisation. What exactly could the international plutocrats do about that? Use other nations armies against the USA? I'd like to see how that would work out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 18:39:49 GMT
I have a very different perspective on this Bob and Anna. Countries (inclusive of the United States) have swings of political thought that for a while have control (more or less) of the country and the direction it takes. Here within the United States we have have multiple swings in such political outlook beginning with the Founder period. A period where those who ratified the Constitution agreed on things, at least pretty much agreed on most things.
Some things they didn't agree on such as tariffs which nearly led to internal war and separation well before (cir. 1828) the Civil War. That Civil War is most often talked about in the context of slavery and its ending, and so it should. However, less talked about is a change in Constitutional structure (mostly in the relationship between the national government and the States) with a stronger and more intrusive national government resulting (cir. 1868-69). What occurred was a 'new founding.' This change increasingly became part of the very fiber of the country and by the 1890s really gathered increasing power as the Progressive philosophy has increasingly become part of the political control of our government.
All of this happened prior to the establishment of the federal Reserve Central Banking system in 1915. The history of the forces (over several years) that acted on this eventual outcome is interesting in itself. Even so, I suggest that this would never have come to pass without the growing power of the Progressive Philosophy (also referred to as Progressive-Socialist and Progressive-Liberal) as defined and promoted By President Woodrow Wilson.
With the advent of the National Banking System increasing power came to the national government which fit right in with the Progressive political movement. My point is that this is more part of a political movement to gain control over government and through that increase the control over the people. National banking systems have been more of an add-on to bolster this movement. That worked very well for the Progressive philosophy in those early years of the 1900s. Today, that growth in national power over the people is being played out in the increasing transition to to a national healthcare system. Control the money of the people, control the healthcare of the people, make the people increasingly dependent on the national government.
This is the world we have come to live within and trying to separate the people by the illusion that the political parties have differing goals in this political Progressive game is merely a way of gaining increasing control over the people.
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Post by Big Lin on Oct 6, 2015 20:44:09 GMT
I broadly agree with most of what you say, Menantol, though I think you perhaps (and please forgive me if I'm mistaken) underestimate the Federalists and particularly Adams and Hamilton in terms of their influence on the direction of the US within its formative years after independence. Let's not forget not all thirteen states ratified the constitution at the same time - the last was Rhode Island if I remember in 1791.
Before the adoption of the much more Federalist constitution the Articles of Association made for a much looser structure of government.
It's also fair to say that Jefferson, with some hesitation, agreed to both the Louisiana purchase (which in his heart he distrusted) and the effective creation of a large central bank.
Andrew Jackson too extended government control as did Tyler (partly through the war with Mexico) and to some extent Polk as well. Lincoln also shifted the centre of political gravity decisively in favour of more government intervention.
In fact Grant, Harrison, McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt and Taft were all involved in extending government control to a greater extent than in any other democratic country in the world at the time.
Sorry to put my history hat on; back to the present.
I seriously disagree that a national healthcare system is a bad thing or some devious means to try and control people's liberty.
Actually I believe that those who oppose it are seeking to control people by restricting access to adequate medical care to the better off.
The question of which is more important - the profits of the healthcare insurance companies or the health of the people - should be a no-brainer.
Frankly healthcare is one of the FEW areas - other than defence, police/prisons/law and order and education - where I see a role for government.
I'd butt it out of pretty much every area of activity to be honest.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 6, 2015 21:07:03 GMT
Dearest interestedbob , The USA is since the Federal Reserve takeover of it's economy in 1913 no longer a sovereign nation. Great Britain likewise is no longer a sovereign nation since it entrusted it's economy to private central bankers either. These are not capitalist bankers, but international plutocrats with an agenda. The wealth beyond imagination that they have accumulated has been used to buy up the political parties, infiltrate and take over the intelligence agencies of the nations they control, finance industry, buy up the media, dumb down the educational system and create the conditions for foreign wars.
The real pre "Federal Reserve" USA under President James Monroe advocated a Switzerland type neutrality concerning foreign wars and never financed the provocateurs who caused them nor fought them out. This is all made clear in the Monroe Doctrine . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine
I wasn't disagreeing with your views on who owns the country, ♫anna♫, I was pointing out that American lives were not the only ones being lost as a result of the foreign wars the US has become involved in. You only mentioned the American lives, as if the lives of the allies didn't matter. Regarding your comment about the Federal Reserve taking over your country, if one president could sign it into existence, another president can sign it out of existence, and take over its assets on behalf of the nation. I think that's what's called Nationalisation. What exactly could the international plutocrats do about that? Use other nations armies against the USA? I'd like to see how that would work out. Dearest interestedbob , Actually President John F. Kennedy did break ranks with the Federal Reserve Cartel by creating the Kennedy silver dollar which like the revolutionary Greenback was under the control of the government and not the international Federal Reserve bankers. I'm convinced that this was a major reason why Kennedy was assassinated. The Federal Reserve controlled secret service was very diligent about making evidence that proved Kennedy was shot at by multiple assassins disappear. The lethal shot came from the front and not the back where L.H. Oswald was alledged to be.
Former President Ronald Reagen made a cautious attempt to have his men appointed to the Federal Reserve banks in the US, but the Federal Reserve simply refused. No president since has challenged the Federal Reserve system.
Of course I regret the loss of British and other lives in all these senseless foreign wars including WW2, which especially has been shrouded in a deceitful comic book like nonsense.
The English monarchy entrusted it's economy centuries ago to the international plutocrats and this is a major reason why the US War of Independence broke out. The government has to pay a tax ( or interest ) on plutocrat created money. The American colonies refused and printed their own currency the Greenback. The rest is history.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 6, 2015 23:24:08 GMT
Maybe the truth is that Eckanckar is the prime mover in every conspiracy and exists to enslave people to the worship of Satan. Or just maybe, Scottish Lassie, you haven't read your own words in an earlier post of yours. You said basically that we can't be sure we know anything. If that's true then a) you can't be sure that Eckanckar is what you believe it is; b) you can't be sure that there ARE all these alleged conspiracies and that they might all be hallucinations or deliberate hoaxes by practical jokers. So basically if you're genuinely saying you're not sure then you need to be a bit less quick to point the finger at groups you perceive as enemies. Just maybe a) they don't exist; b) they don't have the power you imagine they do; c) they're not all working for the same ends. Hi Big Lin, This is a world where the forces of good and evil exist, and we have the choice to go along with either. I see no one as my enemy and why would you think that ECKANKAR is of Satan? Anything that applies to me, also must apply to you, as you cannot be sure of the truth either.I guess I should no doubt, have used the words 'some things' instead of 'every thing' my mistake!!! EKANKAR promotes Divine love, not hatred. I have always loved God and ofcourse it is the Voice of God (the Holy Spirit) that spoke everything into being. We in ECKANKAR follow the Holy Spirit, so how can that be ascribed to being of Satan? You, could also be having hallucinations, who is to say? So it looks very much like you are the one who is pointing the finger, naughty! naughty!!! I hold no grudges against any person regardless of what they think of me, afterall the thinking is going on in their heads, so whatever a person is thinking, the person has to claim ownership of their thoughts. Could they be of Satan? I wonder!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 7, 2015 0:46:21 GMT
hi BigLin, I forgot to say: that it wasn't I that brought up the subject of conspiracies. I have no knowledge of whether conspracies exist or not. Someone else mentioned the fact that it could be possible. It certainly would not be me or ECKANKAR, for that matter. There apparently is a list of big companies and such like, that have been suggested as being the culprits.
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