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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 27, 2015 10:53:36 GMT
You seem to love raking up the past, of people guilty of the worst aspects of mankind, that of murder and sadism. Some of the behaviour of these men may' rub off' on you, which is perhaps, why you seem to focus your attention on crudeness. just saying!!! well I got nailed to the cross ..and i spread peace and love ...kiddies even get chocolate to celebrate me rising from the dead... but lots of people have killed and tortured in my name does that make me bad then chris ? ? Hi Jesus Christ, Isn't it against the law to impersonate another person?
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Post by blc on Jan 27, 2015 17:40:34 GMT
being a parent is one of the most difficult challenges in your life and having a few classes before you have them will not prepare you imo plus to say all married couples should have them is an insult to people's intelligence. also a lot of people have children when they are not married , like i did. Hi Gibby, even a fool would know how to breast feed, change a nappy etc. I mean the psychological aspects of bringing up a child, all the different phases that a child goes through as it grows. and how the parents react to these phases. A few pointers certainly wouldn't go astray. Except that every child is different an their environments are different and you cannot accommodate every situation that may or may not arise. And different people raise their children differently. Would you really have wanted some outsider telling your parents what they thought was best for you? Maybe forcing you to eat something you didn't like because it was 'good' for you. Or not letting you play with certain toys because in their opinion it sent the wrong message. Do you really want everyone raised to be the same? No differences, so sense of personal identity that comes from being raised in different environments.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 27, 2015 19:56:14 GMT
Hi Gibby, even a fool would know how to breast feed, change a nappy etc. I mean the psychological aspects of bringing up a child, all the different phases that a child goes through as it grows. and how the parents react to these phases. A few pointers certainly wouldn't go astray. Except that every child is different an their environments are different and you cannot accommodate every situation that may or may not arise. And different people raise their children differently. Would you really have wanted some outsider telling your parents what they thought was best for you? Maybe forcing you to eat something you didn't like because it was 'good' for you. Or not letting you play with certain toys because in their opinion it sent the wrong message. Do you really want everyone raised to be the same? No differences, so sense of personal identity that comes from being raised in different environments. Hi Blc, it is because of these differences that we have so much trouble understanding each other. So having some common ground to start from would be of immense benefit, don't you think? Isn't this why we are all arguing the point on this forum, because of our different attitudes and viewpoints? And some of us get rather hot under the collar debating the pros and cons of the various subjects. I remember my married sister inviting her friends, another married couple, to dinner, the conversation took a turn for the worse as they disagreed on the subject that they were discussing, ending up with the couple leaving, never to be seen or heard of again. This is ridiculous behaviour in my book, but there you are, that is how some people behave, they take the difference of opinion as a personal insult. When all is said and done, I still think that we need some common ground in order to understand each other, so I am still of a mind that married couples should have classes on the different stages that a child goes through and how we should react to them. I volunteered to have them, and I learned a lot that I didn't know beforehand.
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Post by kronks on Jan 29, 2015 0:02:41 GMT
being a parent is one of the most difficult challenges in your life and having a few classes before you have them will not prepare you imo plus to say all married couples should have them is an insult to people's intelligence. also a lot of people have children when they are not married , like i did. Hi Gibby, even a fool would know how to breast feed, change a nappy etc. I mean the psychological aspects of bringing up a child, all the different phases that a child goes through as it grows. and how the parents react to these phases. A few pointers certainly wouldn't go astray. I the past there would have been no classes on how to bring up children, however I expect they would have had the support of the community in some way ie most usually from their own mother or from the wider community if she was not available. However having said that, surely 90% of it is common sense? What I always think is that animals in the wild seem to manage it pretty well! I think the problem is some child are brought up badly themselves and so they end up psychologically damaged and become bad parents themselves. As long as the parents care about the child there should not be too much of a problem I think.
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Post by blc on Jan 29, 2015 7:29:47 GMT
Except that every child is different an their environments are different and you cannot accommodate every situation that may or may not arise. And different people raise their children differently. Would you really have wanted some outsider telling your parents what they thought was best for you? Maybe forcing you to eat something you didn't like because it was 'good' for you. Or not letting you play with certain toys because in their opinion it sent the wrong message. Do you really want everyone raised to be the same? No differences, so sense of personal identity that comes from being raised in different environments. Hi Blc, it is because of these differences that we have so much trouble understanding each other. So having some common ground to start from would be of immense benefit, don't you think? Isn't this why we are all arguing the point on this forum, because of our different attitudes and viewpoints? And some of us get rather hot under the collar debating the pros and cons of the various subjects. I remember my married sister inviting her friends, another married couple, to dinner, the conversation took a turn for the worse as they disagreed on the subject that they were discussing, ending up with the couple leaving, never to be seen or heard of again. This is ridiculous behaviour in my book, but there you are, that is how some people behave, they take the difference of opinion as a personal insult. When all is said and done, I still think that we need some common ground in order to understand each other, so I am still of a mind that married couples should have classes on the different stages that a child goes through and how we should react to them. I volunteered to have them, and I learned a lot that I didn't know beforehand. There used to be a time when immigrants were expected to assimilate into the country that they legally migrated to. We don't see that too much these days. Not everyone is going to deal with situations the same way. Part of the problems we see today, is children raised in too lax an environment, no rules, no discipline, no guidelines and in some cases very little morality.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 29, 2015 23:15:50 GMT
Hi Blc, it is because of these differences that we have so much trouble understanding each other. So having some common ground to start from would be of immense benefit, don't you think? Isn't this why we are all arguing the point on this forum, because of our different attitudes and viewpoints? And some of us get rather hot under the collar debating the pros and cons of the various subjects. I remember my married sister inviting her friends, another married couple, to dinner, the conversation took a turn for the worse as they disagreed on the subject that they were discussing, ending up with the couple leaving, never to be seen or heard of again. This is ridiculous behaviour in my book, but there you are, that is how some people behave, they take the difference of opinion as a personal insult. When all is said and done, I still think that we need some common ground in order to understand each other, so I am still of a mind that married couples should have classes on the different stages that a child goes through and how we should react to them. I volunteered to have them, and I learned a lot that I didn't know beforehand. There used to be a time when immigrants were expected to assimilate into the country that they legally migrated to. We don't see that too much these days. Not everyone is going to deal with situations the same way. Part of the problems we see today, is children raised in too lax an environment, no rules, no discipline, no guidelines and in some cases very little morality. I agree with you wholeheartedly in that respect Blc. We all have to conform in some way throughout life so that things will run smoothly and for the benefit of the majority. I think some people have lost the plot in regard to free speech, in other words, they tend to go overboard. Some children go into school anytime they feel like it and nothing much is said. As you said, there is no discipline, which to me, is ludicrous. My own grandchildren have done this, to their Mother's consternation even saying "you can't touch us, if you do we will call the police. In other words, disciplining is not possible, so what can a Mother do? They don't have a say anymore. It seems the children run the show. Cajoling the child doesn't always work either. My daughter would call me asking me to intervene because one of her children was refusing to go to school, I would explain to my grand daughter how important school was, in order to have a career later in life, sometimes it worked, sometimes not.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 29, 2015 23:37:19 GMT
Hi Gibby, even a fool would know how to breast feed, change a nappy etc. I mean the psychological aspects of bringing up a child, all the different phases that a child goes through as it grows. and how the parents react to these phases. A few pointers certainly wouldn't go astray. I the past there would have been no classes on how to bring up children, however I expect they would have had the support of the community in some way ie most usually from their own mother or from the wider community if she was not available. However having said that, surely 90% of it is common sense? What I always think is that animals in the wild seem to manage it pretty well! I think the problem is some child are brought up badly themselves and so they end up psychologically damaged and become bad parents themselves. As long as the parents care about the child there should not be too much of a problem I think. Hi Kronks, I disagree somewhat, with some of your rationalisations. Not everyone knows how to react to a certain situation, if you have a book which gives you pointers on the best reaction to that particular situation? I don't understand why they wouldn't accept that help. Instinct isn't always the best way to go.
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Post by jesuschrist on Jan 30, 2015 13:06:33 GMT
well I got nailed to the cross ..and i spread peace and love ...kiddies even get chocolate to celebrate me rising from the dead... but lots of people have killed and tortured in my name does that make me bad then chris ? ? Hi Jesus Christ, Isn't it against the law to impersonate another person? So is blasphemy chris chuckle if you think I am not who I say I am !!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 30, 2015 19:31:54 GMT
Hi Jesus Christ, Isn't it against the law to impersonate another person? So is blasphemy chris chuckle if you think I am not who I say I am !! Hi JC, You must be brothers under the skin then, because the strain of your posts are so similar. It is strange that the moment you appeared, I immediately thought of Skitler. Perhaps you are one of his running mates because there is another that posts in a similar vein, just to be on the bandwagon no doubt.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 30, 2015 19:57:48 GMT
Hi Gibby, even a fool would know how to breast feed, change a nappy etc. I mean the psychological aspects of bringing up a child, all the different phases that a child goes through as it grows. and how the parents react to these phases. A few pointers certainly wouldn't go astray. I the past there would have been no classes on how to bring up children, however I expect they would have had the support of the community in some way ie most usually from their own mother or from the wider community if she was not available. However having said that, surely 90% of it is common sense? What I always think is that animals in the wild seem to manage it pretty well! I think the problem is some child are brought up badly themselves and so they end up psychologically damaged and become bad parents themselves. As long as the parents care about the child there should not be too much of a problem I think. Hi Kronks, Have you ever heard of the 'terrible twos'? That is when a child is trying to do things for itself and ofcourse failing. So then you witness a full blown temper tantrum, how would you react to that situation, the wrong reaction might scar the child for life. Having expert help from a child psychologist would be very valuable I should think.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 30, 2015 20:35:08 GMT
Hi Blc, it is because of these differences that we have so much trouble understanding each other. So having some common ground to start from would be of immense benefit, don't you think? Isn't this why we are all arguing the point on this forum, because of our different attitudes and viewpoints? And some of us get rather hot under the collar debating the pros and cons of the various subjects. I remember my married sister inviting her friends, another married couple, to dinner, the conversation took a turn for the worse as they disagreed on the subject that they were discussing, ending up with the couple leaving, never to be seen or heard of again. This is ridiculous behaviour in my book, but there you are, that is how some people behave, they take the difference of opinion as a personal insult. When all is said and done, I still think that we need some common ground in order to understand each other, so I am still of a mind that married couples should have classes on the different stages that a child goes through and how we should react to them. I volunteered to have them, and I learned a lot that I didn't know beforehand. There used to be a time when immigrants were expected to assimilate into the country that they legally migrated to. We don't see that too much these days. Not everyone is going to deal with situations the same way. Part of the problems we see today, is children raised in too lax an environment, no rules, no discipline, no guidelines and in some cases very little morality. Hi Blc, talking about forcing cildren to eat their vegetables seems to be an ongoing problem, with some children refusing to eat any at all. What do you do then? I remember babysitting my grandson and my daughter had just served him his meal and off she went, leaving the instruction that he was to eat up his vegetables as well as the meat. He ate his meat but would not eat the various vegetables on his plate. I just mashed all the vegetables together with his fork and asked him to give it another try. Sure enough he ate the lot, then said, " I liked that Gran " To me, mixing the different tasting vegetables together, made the concoction decidedly more palatable and so he ate them all with no more problems. I believe that it is very important that a child eat its vegatables in order to stay healthy. My daughter approached the problem differently, she would make the child sit at the table until the food was eaten and somtimes the child would be sitting there for ages still with the uneaten vegetables on it's plate.
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Post by kronks on Jan 31, 2015 3:31:58 GMT
I the past there would have been no classes on how to bring up children, however I expect they would have had the support of the community in some way ie most usually from their own mother or from the wider community if she was not available. However having said that, surely 90% of it is common sense? What I always think is that animals in the wild seem to manage it pretty well! I think the problem is some child are brought up badly themselves and so they end up psychologically damaged and become bad parents themselves. As long as the parents care about the child there should not be too much of a problem I think. Hi Kronks, I disagree somewhat, with some of your rationalisations. Not everyone knows how to react to a certain situation, if you have a book which gives you pointers on the best reaction to that particular situation? I don't understand why they wouldn't accept that help. Instinct isn't always the best way to go. Well I guess some people might need help, but the book was written by a person, not everything written in a book is correct anyway, common sense goes a long way in most situations I think, it is hard to be specific without an example of the problem. OK not everything will be perfect, but is it ever? Every child is different and blindly following a book might not be the best way. Even today different authors will say different things and will probably change their minds in the future on what is correct!!!
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Post by kronks on Jan 31, 2015 3:41:02 GMT
There used to be a time when immigrants were expected to assimilate into the country that they legally migrated to. We don't see that too much these days. Not everyone is going to deal with situations the same way. Part of the problems we see today, is children raised in too lax an environment, no rules, no discipline, no guidelines and in some cases very little morality. Hi Blc, talking about forcing cildren to eat their vegetables seems to be an ongoing problem, with some children refusing to eat any at all. What do you do then? I remember babysitting my grandson and my daughter had just served him his meal and off she went, leaving the instruction that he was to eat up his vegetables as well as the meat. He ate his meat but would not eat the various vegetables on his plate. I just mashed all the vegetables together with his fork and asked him to give it another try. Sure enough he ate the lot, then said, " I liked that Gran " To me, mixing the different tasting vegetables together, made the concoction decidedly more palatable and so he ate them all with no more problems. I believe that it is very important that a child eat its vegatables in order to stay healthy. My daughter approached the problem differently, she would make the child sit at the table until the food was eaten and somtimes the child would be sitting there for ages still with the uneaten vegetables on it's plate. Hi Chris, your approach seem sensible, my mother used your daughters approach, ie plonking a pile of cabbage on the plate and expecting me to eat it, I didn't and still don't eat cabbage. I think introduce a new food slowly is the best way, ie like you did mixing a bit in with other food so they can get accustomed the taste. In the wild it would be unsafe to eat a pile of an unfamiliar food, for example it might be poisonous or give an allergic reaction. What your daughter did sounds like the sort of authoritarian practise favoured by Victorians. There are no doubt still 'experts' on bring up children who recommend that approach which is why I would not blindly follow a book. Most of the time they are self proclaimed expects with no evidence to justify their lofty 'expert' title. And like I said one child may have an allergy so force feeding is not a good idea!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 31, 2015 8:37:52 GMT
Hi Blc, talking about forcing cildren to eat their vegetables seems to be an ongoing problem, with some children refusing to eat any at all. What do you do then? I remember babysitting my grandson and my daughter had just served him his meal and off she went, leaving the instruction that he was to eat up his vegetables as well as the meat. He ate his meat but would not eat the various vegetables on his plate. I just mashed all the vegetables together with his fork and asked him to give it another try. Sure enough he ate the lot, then said, " I liked that Gran " To me, mixing the different tasting vegetables together, made the concoction decidedly more palatable and so he ate them all with no more problems. I believe that it is very important that a child eat its vegatables in order to stay healthy. My daughter approached the problem differently, she would make the child sit at the table until the food was eaten and somtimes the child would be sitting there for ages still with the uneaten vegetables on it's plate. Hi Chris, your approach seem sensible, my mother used your daughters approach, ie plonking a pile of cabbage on the plate and expecting me to eat it, I didn't and still don't eat cabbage. I think introduce a new food slowly is the best way, ie like you did mixing a bit in with other food so they can get accustomed the taste. In the wild it would be unsafe to eat a pile of an unfamiliar food, for example it might be poisonous or give an allergic reaction. What your daughter did sounds like the sort of authoritarian practise favoured by Victorians. There are no doubt still 'experts' on bring up children who recommend that approach which is why I would not blindly follow a book. Most of the time they are self proclaimed expects with no evidence to justify their lofty 'expert' title. And like I said one child may have an allergy so force feeding is not a good idea!!! Hi Kronks, that is how you start babies on solids, first potatoes, then turnip or pumpkin, then carrots. Potatoes are bland so they tend to soften the taste of the richer vegetables. My daughter had problems with both her sons in regard to vegetables. But to me, getting them to eat their vegetables was more important, so if mashing them together does the trick that's what needed to be done. As you said, you use your common sense. I never had any problems with my children not liking their vegetables. I myself love all sorts. I don't think there is any food that I dislike, I do have my favourites ofcourse.I love cabbage and brusselsprouts.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 1, 2015 6:57:48 GMT
Hi Kronks, I disagree somewhat, with some of your rationalisations. Not everyone knows how to react to a certain situation, if you have a book which gives you pointers on the best reaction to that particular situation? I don't understand why they wouldn't accept that help. Instinct isn't always the best way to go. Well I guess some people might need help, but the book was written by a person, not everything written in a book is correct anyway, common sense goes a long way in most situations I think, it is hard to be specific without an example of the problem. OK not everything will be perfect, but is it ever? Every child is different and blindly following a book might not be the best way. Even today different authors will say different things and will probably change their minds in the future on what is correct!!! Hi Kronks, a few different approaches gives you the opportunity to pick and choose what suits your particular situation, I am always open to different ideas and opinions , sometimes you learn things that by yourself you wouldn't have thought of. Anyway, we live our lives according to what we think is best and that is all a person can do.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 5, 2015 14:20:02 GMT
The 15 year old girl was repeatedly sexual abused. Her uncle is serving prison time for his attacks on her which were filmed. The mother found the older brother having sex with the older girl while she was 11 or 12. A traumatic history that exploded. www.cbsnews.com/news/experts-florida-sibling-shooting-exposes-incest-loophole/ QUOTE: Experts: Fla. sibling shooting exposes "incest loophole"Jan. 19, 2015 At first it seemed unfathomable: 11-and 15-year-old Florida sisters arrested for allegedly shooting their brother dead while he slept. According to police documents, the siblings and their 3-year-old sister were left alone with their 16-year-old brother while their mother accompanied their father on an out-of-town trucking job on Jan. 5. The girls told police that their brother locked the older sister in a room with just a blanket and a bucket to use as a toilet. While the brother was sleeping, police say, the younger sister unlocked the door and helped the older sister get a gun, which she then used to shoot and kill her brother as he slept on the living room floor. Then, as more information about the homicide began to trickle out, it became clear that the girls accused were not strangers to trauma and violence. In 2010, the children's aunt went to police when she found a memory stick belonging to her husband with video of him sexually molesting the oldest sister. The uncle was eventually convicted and is serving life in prison. And the abuse did not stop there. The family began locking the girl in a room - once for 20 days - and reportedly pulled her from school due to "behavioral issues." And among the reports released by the Columbia County Sheriff's Office is a heavily redacted document that suggests that in 2011, when the older sister would have been 11 or 12, her mother found the girl and her brother having sex in the house. But, according to the incident report, "the case was closed as unfounded and no criminal acts were disclosed." "We treat sexual abuse of children in the family as a social and psychological problem and not as a crime - and it is a crime," says Grier Weeks, the executive director of the National Association to Protect Children. The Florida Department of Children and Family told 48 Hours' Crimesider that they are investigating the incident but cannot reveal whether they were involved with the family prior to the shooting. According to Daphne Young of Child Help, a non-profit organization devoted to the prevention and treatment of child abuse, 68 percent of child sex abuse victims are abused by a family member. Jennifer Marsh of the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) says that 40 percent of the people who call the National Sex Abuse hotline say incest is their primary or secondary reason for seeking help. And yet, perpetrators who sexually abuse family members can be subject to lower penalties than they would be had they assaulted a neighbor or stranger. In Washington State, for example, the Special Sex Offender Sentencing Alternative Law allows an offender to receive a lighter sentence if he or she had "an established relationship with, or connection to, the victim." Weeks calls this "the incest loophole," and finds it mind-boggling: "The toll on a child [abused by a family member] is devastating. She was not protected by the very people who should have loved and protected her." Even in states where no "incest loophole" exists - like California and New York, where Weeks says legislation closing the gap was approved over the past decade - RAINN's Marsh says that "incest can be particularly difficult to investigate." Victims, she says, fear having their family torn apart: "The idea of a loved one going to prison is more horrible than dealing with the evil they already know." Because of this, victims "may be uncooperative and downplay abuse. If it has been going on a long time, they may not even see it as a crime," Marsh says. Actress and incest survivor Alison Angrim, who played Nellie Oleson on "Little House on the Prairie," told Crimesider that she was sexually abused by her older brother for six years starting when she was six years old. When she read about the Florida case, she said the first thing she thought was: "Why were those children still in that house?" "The police wrote off the sibling incest because they were close in age," she says. "But the question is balance of power. Apparently, her brother has the authority to lock her in a room. He wasn't a brother who was on the same footing, he was a prison warden with access to a gun. Had he kidnapped her off the street and she'd shot him while escaping, we'd call it self-defense." The two Fla. girls were initially charged with first-degree murder as adults, but earlier this week the state's attorney announced they would both be charged as juveniles, with second-degree murder. The girls' parents are still behind bars on neglect charges. Their 3-year-old sister is in state custody.
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Post by blc on Feb 10, 2015 2:53:59 GMT
Seems reasonable based on the information that has come out since.
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 10, 2015 18:50:00 GMT
Seems reasonable based on the information that has come out since. Juveniles should NEVER be charged as adults.
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