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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 8, 2015 13:07:11 GMT
no ma'am, god never said any such thing. he said "thou shalt not MURDER" Hi Iamjumbo, the first Bible that I studied did not mention in the ' ten commandments ' murder, but the words ' Thou Shalt Not Kill ' and that is what I will always believe. It also mentions somewhere else that only God has the right to kill. It was the St James Bible. But anyway, whether we are religious or not, the fact remains that we are either obeying the negative force or the positive force. We are the ones that make the choice. We will either choose to love or choose to hate. We are all witness to the results of each should they be put into action. the word that king james translated as "kill" truly means "murder". murder and killing are two totally different things god himself only killed two clowns in the bible. he had man do the killing for him. remember that aachen stole the gold and silver, and god commanded israel to kill not only him, but his family and his animals
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 11, 2015 23:01:01 GMT
Hi Iamjumbo, the first Bible that I studied did not mention in the ' ten commandments ' murder, but the words ' Thou Shalt Not Kill ' and that is what I will always believe. It also mentions somewhere else that only God has the right to kill. It was the St James Bible. But anyway, whether we are religious or not, the fact remains that we are either obeying the negative force or the positive force. We are the ones that make the choice. We will either choose to love or choose to hate. We are all witness to the results of each should they be put into action. the word that king james translated as "kill" truly means "murder". murder and killing are two totally different things god himself only killed two clowns in the bible. he had man do the killing for him. remember that aachen stole the gold and silver, and god commanded israel to kill not only him, but his family and his animals We in ECKANKAR believe that whoever received that message from God, might have interpreted it wrongly. Sometimes a message is coloured by our own thoughts.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 12, 2015 14:17:22 GMT
it was NOT interpreted wrongly hon. it's just a simple fact that god gave man, many, many times, orders to execute those who refused to obey him. of course, indirectly, god himself killed those in jericho, and he did kill those in sodom and gomorha, but, the vast majority of the time, god commanded man to do it
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Post by Big Lin on Mar 12, 2015 16:33:14 GMT
it was NOT interpreted wrongly hon. it's just a simple fact that god gave man, many, many times, orders to execute those who refused to obey him. of course, indirectly, god himself killed those in jericho, and he did kill those in sodom and gomorha, but, the vast majority of the time, god commanded man to do it Jim, that's exactly the same claim that ISIS et al make. If it's morally wrong for THEM to act on that belief (which IMO it is) it was equally morally wrong for the Jews to act on that belief.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 15, 2015 10:39:48 GMT
it was NOT interpreted wrongly hon. it's just a simple fact that god gave man, many, many times, orders to execute those who refused to obey him. of course, indirectly, god himself killed those in jericho, and he did kill those in sodom and gomorha, but, the vast majority of the time, god commanded man to do it Jim, that's exactly the same claim that ISIS et al make. If it's morally wrong for THEM to act on that belief (which IMO it is) it was equally morally wrong for the Jews to act on that belief. the difference is that god himself commanded the jews to do it. isis is doing it because the baby raper told them to
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Post by Big Lin on Mar 15, 2015 20:11:12 GMT
Jim, that's exactly the same claim that ISIS et al make. If it's morally wrong for THEM to act on that belief (which IMO it is) it was equally morally wrong for the Jews to act on that belief. the difference is that god himself commanded the jews to do it. isis is doing it because the baby raper told them to I don't believe that God DID tell the Jews to do it any more than I believe that Allah commanded the Muslims to do it. What's morally wrong for one is morally wrong for the other.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 17, 2015 15:20:01 GMT
the difference is that god himself commanded the jews to do it. isis is doing it because the baby raper told them to I don't believe that God DID tell the Jews to do it any more than I believe that Allah commanded the Muslims to do it. What's morally wrong for one is morally wrong for the other. in the case of the jews, it is quite well documented that god commanded them to kill the enemy. obviously, "allah" doesn't exist, so he couldn't command anything. the qu'ran is nothing but hallucinations of the baby raper who wrote that allah commands them to murder and enslave
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Post by Big Lin on Mar 17, 2015 20:19:29 GMT
I don't believe that God DID tell the Jews to do it any more than I believe that Allah commanded the Muslims to do it. What's morally wrong for one is morally wrong for the other. in the case of the jews, it is quite well documented that god commanded them to kill the enemy. obviously, "allah" doesn't exist, so he couldn't command anything. the qu'ran is nothing but hallucinations of the baby raper who wrote that allah commands them to murder and enslave No, Jim, what's 'well documented' is that they claimed that God commanded them to rape and murder innocent people. The Bible was no more written by God than the Quran or Vedas or any other 'sacred book.' It was written by humans who wrote what they THOUGHT God was telling them to do. Any kind of morality that can't be accepted by atheists as well as religious believers won't and can't get anywhere.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 18, 2015 13:38:07 GMT
in the case of the jews, it is quite well documented that god commanded them to kill the enemy. obviously, "allah" doesn't exist, so he couldn't command anything. the qu'ran is nothing but hallucinations of the baby raper who wrote that allah commands them to murder and enslave No, Jim, what's 'well documented' is that they claimed that God commanded them to rape and murder innocent people. The Bible was no more written by God than the Quran or Vedas or any other 'sacred book.' It was written by humans who wrote what they THOUGHT God was telling them to do. Any kind of morality that can't be accepted by atheists as well as religious believers won't and can't get anywhere. that's somewhat true, although of course, the bible is real, and the qu'ran is nonsense. god inspired the various authors of the bible, while, obviously, a demon hallucinated the qu'ran
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 16:33:01 GMT
No, Jim, what's 'well documented' is that they claimed that God commanded them to rape and murder innocent people. The Bible was no more written by God than the Quran or Vedas or any other 'sacred book.' It was written by humans who wrote what they THOUGHT God was telling them to do. Any kind of morality that can't be accepted by atheists as well as religious believers won't and can't get anywhere. that's somewhat true, although of course, the bible is real, and the qu'ran is nonsense. god inspired the various authors of the bible, while, obviously, a demon hallucinated the qu'ran That is your opinion. Not to be confused with verifiable fact.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 18, 2015 17:33:28 GMT
that's somewhat true, although of course, the bible is real, and the qu'ran is nonsense. god inspired the various authors of the bible, while, obviously, a demon hallucinated the qu'ran That is your opinion. Not to be confused with verifiable fact. huh uh. it's irrefutable FACT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 17:37:23 GMT
That is your opinion. Not to be confused with verifiable fact. huh uh. it's irrefutable FACT Not even close, it may be "your" truth...that does not make it fact. Sorry Jumbo....
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 19, 2015 21:52:50 GMT
huh uh. it's irrefutable FACT Not even close, it may be "your" truth...that does not make it fact. Sorry Jumbo.... no ma'am. there is no "your" truth, or "my" truth. the truth is absolute and immutable
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 21:55:32 GMT
I have no control over your concept of truth jumbo. As you have no control over mine.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 19, 2015 21:58:34 GMT
I have no control over your concept of truth jumbo. As you have no control over mine. that's true. that's because there is no "concept" of truth. what was true a million years ago, is true today, and will be true a million years from now. as i said, it is absolute, and no ones perception changes anything
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 20, 2015 10:50:49 GMT
Not even close, it may be "your" truth...that does not make it fact. Sorry Jumbo.... no ma'am. there is no "your" truth, or "my" truth. the truth is absolute and immutable Hi Iamjumbo, According to information that we have at the present moment, we can only accept it as the truth until we receive further information that proves to a person that it isn't. I don't think you are in a position to say otherwise, as what you think is absolute and immutable, may very well turn out to be exactly what was thought in the first place, so that person's truth could be the ultimate truth, one never knows.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 20, 2015 11:07:34 GMT
it was NOT interpreted wrongly hon. it's just a simple fact that god gave man, many, many times, orders to execute those who refused to obey him. of course, indirectly, god himself killed those in jericho, and he did kill those in sodom and gomorha, but, the vast majority of the time, god commanded man to do it Hi Biglin, I think it all depends from which perspective you see these life events.IMO. I will always see life from the perspective of believing in the law of Karma 'you reap what you sow' and ofcourse reicarnation. So although it says in the Bible God gave the order, these circumstances happened because the people brought it on themselves by wrong behaviour in previous lives. I'm afraid I will never stray from that truth, because it has been proven to me that Karma and reincarnation exists.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 20, 2015 11:20:46 GMT
Hi Biglin, My mistake, the post about reicarnation was evidently meant for Iamjumbo, please accept my apology.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 20, 2015 12:45:01 GMT
Hi Biglin, My mistake, the post about reicarnation was evidently meant for Iamjumbo, please accept my apology. i do sort of believe in karma. the problem with karma, however, is that it doesn't act quick enough. i don't want to wait decades for a fool that screws me over to get his. that's why i handle it myself
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 20, 2015 14:29:28 GMT
Hi Biglin, My mistake, the post about reicarnation was evidently meant for Iamjumbo, please accept my apology. i do sort of believe in karma. the problem with karma, however, is that it doesn't act quick enough. i don't want to wait decades for a fool that screws me over to get his. that's why i handle it myself Hi Iamjumbo, Patience is a virtue, you should know that!!! You are playing God by taking the matter into your own hands, and as far as I am concerned, that is asking for trouble.
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