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Post by sadie1263 on May 22, 2013 19:25:07 GMT
London (CNN) -- A man thought to be a serving British soldier was killed by two armed men in a frenzied attack on a London street Wednesday, in what the government is treating as a suspected act of terrorism. Witnesses told of a gruesome scene in which the man was hit by a car, then hacked with cleavers and his body dumped in the middle of the road in Woolwich, southeast London. The two suspects in the killing were injured in a confrontation with police and have been taken to two hospitals, where they are being treated. CNN affiliate ITN aired a video showing a man with bloody hands and holding a meat cleaver, who says, "We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you." The man, who is black and appears to have a London accent, carries on: "The only reasons we killed this man this is because Muslims are dying daily. This British soldier is an eye for an eye a tooth for tooth. "We apologize that women had to see this today but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government. They don't care about you." The victim is believed to be a serving soldier who was based at a nearby barracks, Nick Raynsford, a member of Parliament, told CNN. The soldier had apparently been on duty in central London and was returning to the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich when he was attacked, Raynsford said. Speaking in Paris, Prime Minister David Cameron said there were "strong indications" that the man's killing was a terrorist incident. He said he would be returning early from the official trip to handle the situation and will be back in London Wednesday night. "It is the most appalling crime," he said, speaking alongside French President Francois Hollande, who pledged solidarity with Britain in the face of terrorist threats. Cameron declined to confirm whether the man killed was a serving soldier, while Britain's defense ministry said it was investigating to see whether that's the case. But the prime minister vowed the United Kingdom would stand firm in the face of threats to its security and "will not buckle." www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/world/europe/uk-london-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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Post by sadie1263 on May 22, 2013 19:25:15 GMT
WTH?
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Post by mikemarshall on May 22, 2013 20:08:57 GMT
WTH? The current line of investigation is that it was a terrorist murder. Apparently one of the suspects was heard saying something along the lines of 'Allah will not let British troops keep on killing Muslims and until British soldiers stop doing it he wants Muslims to kill them.' Or words to that effect so it is claimed. But we have our fair share of random nutcases but either way it is very sad.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 22:28:41 GMT
So reports are a Muslim did it huh?
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Post by sadie1263 on May 23, 2013 0:06:45 GMT
I just don't understand how anyone could justify this act in their mind...............it's just crazy!!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on May 23, 2013 2:23:20 GMT
A passerby filmed the murder scene and a rant of the suspected terrorist! I stand by my opinion that these so called "political terrorists" are no different than any other heinous murderer. They murder because they like to murder.
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Post by Hunny on May 23, 2013 2:30:31 GMT
A passerby filmed the murder scene and a rant of the suspected terrorist! I stand by my opinion that these so called "political terrorists" are no different than any other heinous murderer. They murder because they like to murder. No, they want to murder us because we've been murdering them. Consider how many murders we committed in Iraq just to steal oil, and our continued bloody interference in Afghanistan ("we" meaning the US and England helping it). These people have valid complaints and are using the same methods we've used against them in mass. When 9-11 happened, the Bush government used it as an excuse to invade unarmed sovereign land, killing over a million people there since 1990, all just to steal control of some oil. Claiming this would make us safer, he was actually making us MUCH LESS SAFE. And it's incidents like this and the Boston bombing which are the result. England should never have helped Bush go to war.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 8:46:30 GMT
A passerby filmed the murder scene and a rant of the suspected terrorist! I stand by my opinion that these so called "political terrorists" are no different than any other heinous murderer. They murder because they like to murder. No, they want to murder us because we've been murdering them. Consider how many murders we committed in Iraq just to steal oil, and our continued bloody interference in Afghanistan ("we" meaning the US and England helping it). These people have valid complaints and are using the same methods we've used against them in mass. Sounds like your justifying murder
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 9:32:45 GMT
This is a sad day for humanity that one human being can do this barbaric act to another human being and actually try to justify it.
This is sickening beyond belief.
We are a tolerant country, we live with people from all different backgrounds and religions , this Muslim chose to live in our country , he has the benefit of everything here , yet he hates us so much? If he really wants to make a stand why doesn;t he go back to his Muslim country and live there? why take advantage of all the evil west has to offer? kinda hypocritical isn't it? I don't think all muslims should do this btw just the extremist ones.
Our police attended and were ambushed , they shot to maime not to kill which is the policy in this country so he and his accomplice are now being treated for their injuries in our NHS hospital that he doesn't have to pay for.
My thoughts go out to the soldier who died and his family
I went to collect my newspaper from the local shop just now and the people in there were all discussing this and were as angry as hell ..this will affect ordinary people in this country and I think their tolerance is about worn thin now..
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Post by Hunny on May 23, 2013 11:49:18 GMT
No, they want to murder us because we've been murdering them. Consider how many murders we committed in Iraq just to steal oil, and our continued bloody interference in Afghanistan ("we" meaning the US and England helping it). These people have valid complaints and are using the same methods we've used against them in mass. Sounds like your justifying murder Of course not. I didn't say their actions were justified. I said their complaints were valid. Big difference. You know why Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said he and brother Tamarlan bombed us? Because we're killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem with that is we ARE killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan. That doesn't justify their acts of revenge, but it should take some of the mystery out of why they'd act this way. And it shows we can expect a pattern of this now, as this incident illustrates. (this and 36 other incidents of Muslims killing us, since 2001, in the U.S. alone) I was dead against the Bush Administration's claim that invading Iraq would "make us safer". Only a child that doesn't understand how things work could have believed that. It made us LESS SAFE. It pissed people off! For, surprise, surprise, if we go about decimating whole countries, and killing people by the hundreds of thousands (over a million since 1990 actually), there's going to be consequences. So it's our own fault. And I'd say the same thing now as I said when 9-11 happened, don't seek to get revenge, seek to make peace, for this will go on for a long bloody time! Some wont love what I'm about to say and I'm sorry but England should do now what America should have done after 9-11: deport all the Muslims. Screw immigration. You're letting your stated enemy infiltrate so they can commit these acts at their convenience. You can say all day about how most Muslims are great Joes and there's just a few bad apples yadda, but there's one sure way to get rid of the bad apples, throw them ALL out. I may not believe in an eye for an eye, but I don't believe we should just roll over either, because honest to spit, if the aliens are watching, they're laughing at our tactical idiocy at this point (letting millions of our enemy in and feeding them). I think the west (ie, England and America) suffers from the delusions of their own propaganda. The idea that murder and destruction campaigns we go on in other people's countries are actually just highly moral and charitable "surgical strikes" and "sanctions" which can be carried out from afar and everyone will love us and we'll be safe because the people we kill are evil, yadda. What a load of rubbish. We're not safe! And our governments' actions are making sure of it.
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Post by mikemarshall on May 23, 2013 12:56:14 GMT
A passerby filmed the murder scene and a rant of the suspected terrorist! I stand by my opinion that these so called "political terrorists" are no different than any other heinous murderer. They murder because they like to murder. No, they want to murder us because we've been murdering them. Consider how many murders we committed in Iraq just to steal oil, and our continued bloody interference in Afghanistan ("we" meaning the US and England helping it). These people have valid complaints and are using the same methods we've used against them in mass. When 9-11 happened, the Bush government used it as an excuse to invade unarmed sovereign land, killing over a million people there since 1990, all just to steal control of some oil. Claiming this would make us safer, he was actually making us MUCH LESS SAFE. And it's incidents like this and the Boston bombing which are the result. England should never have helped Bush go to war. I find it somewhat difficult to regard Afghanistan and Iraq as 'unarmed' when they were invaded. And of course the whole Marxist idea that Iraq was 'all about oil' is another conspiratorial interpretation that IMO is wholly meritless. Now one can argue against war on pacifist principles; one can argue against particular wars for specific reasons; one can also argue that the whole 'war on terror' has failed as abysmally as 'the war on drugs' or the 'war on crime.' But to suggest that Islamic terrorism only began AFTER the invasion of these countries is simply contrary to the facts. Somalia, Kenya and a number of other countries had all been subject to these activities long before the US abandoned its isolationist policy towards the Middle East. So let's be honest and say that fanatics have been around for thousands of years and probably always will be. They suffer from a mental illness and no matter what foreign or military policy was adopted there will always be a minority of them who seek to kill in furtherance of their own distorted ideology. That is the reality and no amount of pious left-wing handwringing will alter that fact. It has always saddened me that the political left is every bit as morally bankrupt as the political right.
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Post by sadie1263 on May 23, 2013 16:20:00 GMT
I can't look at this act and in anyway believe they are justified in their minds because of killing going on in their countries. If that is how they feel.....then they should go to their countries and defend them. To attack random unarmed unsuspecting people is cowardly. Also the fact is that while other countries may be contributing to the deaths in their countries....their own people kill their own people on a regular basis.
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Post by mikemarshall on May 23, 2013 17:05:52 GMT
I can't look at this act and in anyway believe they are justified in their minds because of killing going on in their countries. If that is how they feel.....then they should go to their countries and defend them. To attack random unarmed unsuspecting people is cowardly. Also the fact is that while other countries may be contributing to the deaths in their countries....their own people kill their own people on a regular basis. In the first place from what news we have been given on the suspects they are British so their own country is Britain. On the other hand i do not have a problem with citizens of one country protesting about the foreign policy of their country towards other nations. I am just about old enough to remember the Vietnam War when many Americans protested against their own nation's policy in Vietnam. But non-violent protest is one thing; deliberate murder is another. In any event the Afghanistan campaign was if my memory serves me correctly sanctioned by the United nations so was not by any stretch of the imagination an illegal war.
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Post by sadie1263 on May 23, 2013 18:10:50 GMT
Oh yeah.....protest all you want....jump up and down and chant...carry signs.....but to murder an unsuspecting innocent person makes no sense. If they are British and feel this strongly about defending another country at war.....then I still hold with "go there and defend it"..........
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 11, 2013 16:07:37 GMT
The UK needs to stop it's liberal immigration policy!
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