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Post by sadie1263 on Mar 2, 2013 1:18:56 GMT
By Tom Hays and Larry Neumeister, The Associated Press
Cheerful written exchanges between a police officer and women from his past appeared in a sinister new light when an FBI agent described at the officer’s criminal trial how he talked on the Internet about killing and eating the women.
“I’m dying to taste some girl meat,” Agent Corey Walsh testified Tuesday that New York Police Officer Gilberto Valle told one of the online friends he met who shared an appetite for human flesh.
The testimony came on the second day of testimony in federal court in Manhattan for the 28-year-old Queens resident charged with conspiring to kidnap women and illegally accessing a government database to research potential victims. If convicted, he could face life in prison.
It came a day after his 27-year-old wife told jurors she fled their home in September with their 1-year-old daughter after discovering that Valle spent hours a night on extreme sexually violent websites and one that catered to those interested in cannibalism and asphyxiation. In Reno, Nev., she turned over a computer to the FBI that contained hundreds of Valle’s emails and instant messages with what the government has described as co-conspirators.
To prove the plots involved real women and to counter defense claims that it was all fantasy, the government summoned several women to testify about their dealings with Valle before prosecutors say he wrote about them as potential targets and, in two cases, potential meals.
The women included a former high school classmate, two former college classmates and an 18-year-old woman who attended Valle’s high school alma mater and said she had no contact with him before he described her to one of his Internet friends as “the most desirable piece of meat I’ve ever met” and small enough to fit in his oven.
Kimberly Sauer, of Germantown, Md., went to the University of Maryland with Valle and had nothing bad to say about her former classmate. On cross-examination, Sauer told defense attorney Julia Gatto that she never felt threatened by Valle.
Sauer learned of the case only after she received from Valle’s wife last year in the middle of the night a disturbing Facebook message that sounded so crazy that she texted him to warn that the account must have been hacked. Either that “or you’re trying to sell me into white slavery,” she recalled joking in the text.
But Walsh said Valle’s computer had a file titled “Abducting and Cooking Kimberly: A Blueprint,” which included a photo of Sauer.
Sauer came up frequently as a subject in online chats between Valle and a man in Great Britain who used Moody Blues as a screen name and MeatMarketMan as part of his email address, the agent testified. Walsh said Moody Blues told Valle he had fantasized about cannibalism since he was 6 years old but did not fulfill the desire until 35 years later.
In one correspondence, Valle suggests a woman named Kimberly — prosecutors say Sauer — would be easy prey because she lived alone. “I can knock her out, wait until dark and kidnap her right out of her house,” he wrote, according to prosecutors.
The agent said Moody Blues suggested eating their victim alive but Valle responded: “I’m not really into raw meat.”
Walsh said they also discussed cooking Sauer, basted in olive oil, over an open fire and using her severed head as a centerpiece for a sit-down meal. “I just can’t wait to get Kimberly cooking,” the agent quoted Valle as saying.
In a chat, Valle told Moody Blues he was meeting Kimberly for lunch on Sunday and that she would be “kidnapped in a couple of months.”
Moody Blues told him he’d “given thought to your ideas about cooking her alive.” “Give me some ideas,” Valle said.
Moody Blues suggested “cutting her feet off and cooking them on the BBQ in front of her.”
“I suppose that’s a possibility,” Valle said. “You are the one with the experience.”
Walsh also described communications between Valle and his co-defendant, Michael Vanhise, of Trenton, N.J. He said the two negotiated the price to be paid for a Manhattan teacher to be taken to New Jersey in a suitcase for Vanhise to rape and kill.
The agent said Valle asked Vanhise whether he wanted the woman clothed or naked and Vanhise said he wanted her clothed. “Excellent. I’ll leave her clothes on. I’ll give you the pleasure of unwrapping your gift,” Valle was quoted as saying.
Vanhise, like Valle, has pleaded not guilty. His lawyers also say he engaged only in Internet fantasy chats.
The government hasn’t said what role Moody Blues played in the investigation.
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Post by sadie1263 on Mar 2, 2013 1:20:21 GMT
Where do you stand on this case........take out the actual subject.........where do fantasies and the law cross? If he had fantasized about robbing banks......drew out plans and talked about it.......for years.........would he have been arrested???
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 3:07:28 GMT
This guy is damn dangerous.Anyone that would even remotely harbor these thoughts is playing with fire
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 11:32:28 GMT
Where do you stand on this case........take out the actual subject.........where do fantasies and the law cross? If he had fantasized about robbing banks......drew out plans and talked about it.......for years.........would he have been arrested??? short answer , yes he would have been , conspiracy to commit a crime.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 11:35:06 GMT
I remember there was a case a while back in Holland or somewhere, anyway this guy hooked up with another guy on the internet and they discussed their fantasies which were , one guy was into cannibalism the other guy was fantasying about being eaten, Ended up they met , the one guy cut bits off the other guy who was in a warm bath and he ate the bits in front of him, needless to say the guy died and the other got life for murder !
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 2, 2013 15:23:38 GMT
What a wierdo! The defense claims this was only a fantasy that was never intended to be lived out. His wife apparently reported him to police.
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Post by sadie1263 on Mar 3, 2013 0:02:30 GMT
Supposedly he had never acted on any of these thoughts. Had them for years.....and was in chat rooms where other people talked about the same thing. He never acted on any of it. So .....is thinking about committing a crime.........enough to be arrested upon. Where will that line fall in the future?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 3, 2013 7:15:02 GMT
I remember there was a case a while back in Holland or somewhere, anyway this guy hooked up with another guy on the internet and they discussed their fantasies which were , one guy was into cannibalism the other guy was fantasying about being eaten, Ended up they met , the one guy cut bits off the other guy who was in a warm bath and he ate the bits in front of him, needless to say the guy died and the other got life for murder ! YUK! I wish I wasn't reminded of that. This was a big news story in Europe. I've never seen the film, but I looked it up in YouTube.. I don't think it was ever translated fully into English, but it's about a male homosexual who put out an add wishing to find someone and found someone, who wanted to be eaten by him. Those of you, who choose not to view the film trailer below will be doing yourselves a favor! www.dailymotion.com/video/xpxyxo_cannibal-aus-dem-tagebuch-des-kannibalen_shortfilms#.UTLzhldNHhk
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 8:17:57 GMT
Supposedly he had never acted on any of these thoughts. Had them for years.....and was in chat rooms where other people talked about the same thing. He never acted on any of it. So .....is thinking about committing a crime.........enough to be arrested upon. Where will that line fall in the future? If those thoughts are expressed to others in a chat room I think that should be illegal
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 8:40:55 GMT
I'd be interested to know the outcome. On the face of it, it looks like a conspiracy to commit a crime - but wouldn't the prosecution need to prove that there really was an intention to carry out the acts? That might be a hard thing to do.
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Post by toby on Mar 3, 2013 17:45:53 GMT
Toby comments.:- Conspiracy is one of the easiest routes to get a conviction when all else fails.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 3, 2013 19:01:08 GMT
I imagine if everyone who posted stuff like this was arrested the prisons would be full. I suppose there is some kind on internet surveillance of people who post these fantasies, "desires" or whatever.
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Post by sadie1263 on Mar 4, 2013 0:59:49 GMT
But what is better..........these people keeping these thoughts all bottled up......or getting them out by expressing them?
Does this border on policing thoughts???
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Post by Hunny on Mar 4, 2013 10:53:44 GMT
yes it does. he says it was fantasy can one be arrested for one's fantasies? People play fantasy games online all the time. Kids, even, play games where they kill people, and they may discuss the killing.
Having said that though, from what I read, the guy seems to have been serious about it, and don't we have a duty to intervene if that's so? If nothing else he ought to be investigated and watched (and I bet a lot of people are without even knowing it).
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Post by sadie1263 on Mar 4, 2013 15:05:31 GMT
When does a thought become a crime?
If you think about committing an act......even plan it out.......but never act on it.........
I thought about and planned out killing my first husband......thought of new and more horrible ways to do it every couple of days...........but, of course, never did it. It was just fun to think about..........
I bet several people have thoughts like that.......probably almost UP to doing the act.....and then realize they couldn't actually do it for real............should they be arrested?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 15:57:49 GMT
No; thinking about it isn't enough and I'm not even sure that telling someone about your thoughts would count. To be convicted for consipracy under English law you would have to agree with someone else to do the crime, and probably do quite a bit of planning.
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Post by sadie1263 on Mar 5, 2013 14:31:12 GMT
Think about how many chat rooms for every imaginable (and unimaginable) act or fetish there are? Should everyone in them be prosecuted?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 14:42:32 GMT
look, one of my hobbies is writing BDSM fiction. do you think that means I WANT my fantasies to happen in real life?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 17:37:13 GMT
look, one of my hobbies is writing BDSM fiction. do you think that means I WANT my fantasies to happen in real life? You might do ,people do enjoy acting that sort of thing out . Nothing wrong if it's consenting adults is there ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 18:53:41 GMT
Think about how many chat rooms for every imaginable (and unimaginable) act or fetish there are? Should everyone in them be prosecuted? In this case a real person was involved as the victim, and money changed hands. That surely goes beyond most fantasies?
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