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Post by ♫anna♫ on Dec 10, 2012 1:25:08 GMT
Here's an interesting video discussion on the latest attempts to take Christianity out of Christmas! The Atheists are especially outraged over a Charlie Brown Christmas play that makes references to Jesus Christ the Savior! video.foxnews.com/v/2024842585001/
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Post by sadie1263 on Dec 10, 2012 2:30:26 GMT
Oh good grief.......get a life.....don't watch the show if it bothers you. There are people that believe ..... where are their rights?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 11:58:02 GMT
So far as I could tell from the clip, the atheist group wasn't outraged about the play, just the fact that a school party was going to see it in class hours, which apparently violates the law about keeping schoold secular (or something like that). Children weren't forced to go, but those left behind might have felt a bit left out.
Instead of just cancelling the school visit, the whole play was cancelled, which strikes me as a cutting-nose-to-spite-face reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 12:29:27 GMT
I always get sad when people go all intolerant. There are intolerant religious believers and intolerant non-believers.
It seems to be mainly an American problem but the PC fascists have started trying to import their mad ideas over here.
If anyone can't see the difference between a Christmas play and some kind of indoctrination they need to see a shrink.
I don't like people trying to force me or anyone else to go along with what tghey say; haven't these morons heard about the word freedom?
Of course they have; hey just don't believe in it!
All they want is to turn people into a bunch of zombie clones all believing the same way as they do!
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Post by Hunny on Dec 10, 2012 13:20:31 GMT
You know what I am atheist, but screw them! There's nothing wrong with Charlie Brown OR Christmas
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 15:00:23 GMT
Hunny, I agree. I'd go further and say that every child needs to learn about the nativity and other bible stories, for they are rooted in our culture.
But if I've got the story right, the characters are telling children "Jesus is our saviour" which is altogether different to saying "Christians believe that Jesus is their saviour."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 15:04:25 GMT
Hunny, I agree. I'd go further and say that every child needs to learn about the nativity and other bible stories, for they are rooted in our culture.
But there is a fine line between telling children "Jesus is our saviour" and "Christians believe that Jesus is their saviour" and maybe the play crossed it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 15:05:47 GMT
Hunny, I agree. I'd go further and say that every child needs to learn about the nativity and other bible stories, for they are rooted in our culture. But if I've got the story right, the characters are telling children "Jesus is our saviour" which is altogether different to saying "Christians believe that Jesus is their saviour." But it's a play; it's not a documentary or sermon or something like that. It's like banning 'Peter Pan' because it makes kids say they believe in fairies! The trouble is the left is every bit as intolerant and repressive as the right. That's why I can't stand either of them - they all think they know how we should run our lives! Bloody social worker Gestapo metnality gets everywher ethses days!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 15:19:57 GMT
We saw only the cartoon strip, which seemed harmless enough to me; the characters were telling the story, and adults with them could explain that not everyone believes Jesus was holy. But this was a play, and it may have overstepped the mark.
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Post by Hunny on Dec 10, 2012 16:10:22 GMT
I would defend the Charlie Brown Christmas episode with every breath. It says "He's our savior" because Americans believed that back in the early 60's when it was produced. Sure there is a smaller percent of Christians now, yes. But that cartoon is a piece of Americana, and the militant atheists only make themselves appear foolish to attack it. If there was a Jewish cartoon, should we ban it too? Should we ban any and all seasonal presentations by ANY religion? NO. THAT was tried and that reasoning is what led to a period in our history, where the workers at the shops weren't allowed to say Merry Christmas to us. They -under threat- could only say "Season's Greetings. This move made virtually all Americans want to puke,so they had to rescind the policy, and thus - I thought - we were done with that ridiculousness, but apparently they wish to start up again. Well screw the atheists. I don't care what they want, if they're just being ridiculous, no one should listen to them or give them forum to speak. They should just be ignored.
I LIKE Christmas. And I am atheist, but Charlie Brown ..actually Linus taught me the "meaning of Christmas" when I was 6 years old, and I still value it, even though that meaning has since been eclipsed by capitalism and people being jaded by it.
...What Linus said was that at this time of year, no matter what faith or nationality or etc that people are, a feeling of peace, and togetherness in it, comes on us. That Charlie Brown play also taught that the tree (or anyone, or the things anyone has) may be meager, but it's the spirit that counts, and none should be left out as if they are not good enough, and we should just work together.
I loved these lessons. I still do.
And I dont know why just because someone is atheist, they suddenly think they must MAKE everyone else be so as well. Seems a bit hypocritical to me actually.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 16:43:26 GMT
Hunny, I went to a Christian school and enjoyed the religious lessons. Jesus, whoever you think he is, spread a message of peace and love and that is wonderful at any time of year.
The Peanuts cartoon was simply telling a simplified version of what the bible says. Does the play copy it identically? The problem surely is that the law states that schools can't teach that one religion is right, and here we have schoolteachers in a play, which may or not be simply telling a story but telling children "Jesus is our Saviour".
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Post by sadie1263 on Dec 10, 2012 19:30:46 GMT
Well by gosh........i don't believe in shooting people......wonder how many shows I can stop because of that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 21:24:40 GMT
Well by gosh........i don't believe in shooting people......wonder how many shows I can stop because of that. A lot if they were aimed at children and encouraged them to believe that shooting people is right. As I said previously, children should be taught the Christmas story. But if the USA (or maybe just that state?) has laws against schools teaching religion, they should comply.
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♫anna♫
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Dec 11, 2012 15:22:51 GMT
For these atheist organisations Christmas is about Frosty the Snowman.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 19:03:13 GMT
That's the same video Anna!
You say "For these atheist organisations Christmas is about Frosty the Snowman ", but of course Christians hi-jacked a deliciously heathen festival of eating and drinking to mark the winter equinox; that came first, not Christmas. So far as I'm concerned people should be enjoy the (for many people, enforced) holiday as they wish.
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Post by Hunny on Dec 18, 2012 3:11:39 GMT
Perhaps what they just need is an UPDATED 'Charlie Brown'...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 8:07:22 GMT
Oh N..o..o...o
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Post by sadie1263 on Dec 18, 2012 21:14:25 GMT
You know....if I spent all my time looking around for things I didn't agree with.....I probably wouldn't have time to do anything else. Wonder if all these people are just lawyers with a lot of free time on their hands?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 21:29:10 GMT
I'm sure a lot more people would have objected had the outing involved the children learning the Islamic view of Christ.
As I said earlier, everyone in the west needs to learn bible stories: it is how they are presented that matters.
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