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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 1, 2012 1:47:28 GMT
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Post by Hunny on Aug 1, 2012 2:37:06 GMT
Oh, where to start with this... well, it shouldn't be a dilemma. People make way more out of this than they ought to. It's a simple birth abnormality. You have a male fetus growing, but a hormone imbalance in the mother during the 2nd or 3rd trimester causes the brain to form physically female. So you end up with a boy who thinks like a girl. Solution: let her live as she finds she is. End of story. ..Or at least it should be that simple, but even to this more enlightened day these people occasionally get killed for being what they are, and out of social pressures many never change, instead living lives of secret desperation, pretending to be something they're not while never getting to be what they are. It really messes a person up. The suicide rate is very high for this (even for transgenders in early childhood there are suicides). ..In adult life they end up jobless or homeless more often than other groups, because no one wants them around. Wouldn't it be so much better to just let a child be what they really are and develop a happy life, instead of guaranteeing her misery from living repressed well into adulthood. That's what parents need to do.
I think this film illustrates this well, as you'll notice the child had multiple illnesses which all vanished when they stopped repressing her.
You see they don't really "suffer" from being transgendered, they suffer from what society and parents put them through rather than be ok with them.
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Post by Synonym on Aug 1, 2012 11:43:37 GMT
Solution: let her live as she finds she is. Generally I agree in that even if you do not know about the science behind transgenderism, it is not as if another person living as a person of the opposite gender impinges on your life significantly. Most of the time, why should we even have to talk in terms of living as a male or a female? I've not heard lately too many complaints about a black person living as a white person or vice versa, as, in theory at least, these 'living as...'s should be meaningless concepts. The only difference I would say is in the issue of segregated toilets and changing rooms. If a women has what she feels is a man present then this is a little bit more of an impingement than just seeing a 'man' in a dress in the street is. So perhaps more should be done in schools to educate on what transgenderism is, so people can learn the science that you mention. Won't help in all cases, but it might help in some where the person would otherwise think it is a 'man' with a man's brain present.
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Post by Hunny on Aug 1, 2012 12:45:30 GMT
Yes. Exactly.
Well the thing is if they identify what they are and transition early in life, they have the chance to maximize that physical and behavioral transformation and convincingly blend in as the gender they feel they are (not look like a man in a dress). It's only when someone is forced to wait into adulthood to change that they typically go through an awkward stage of a few years where they don't yet "pass" okay.
And this is where the issue of bathrooms comes in. If one has had the surgeries and so for all intents and purposes is a woman (minus a uterus), there shouldn't be an issue with using the ladies room being the appropriate choice (she doesn't belong in a men's room at that point. she's not a cross dresser, or transvestite, she's a she, even legally..). BUT, during that awkward period of change, where the women in the ladies room would be aware, well, they might get upset and call the cops, make a big deal out of it. I have a friend in Germany who tells me no one ever got mad at her for it. In fact she reported the women in there were always friendly and would chat a bit with her. But it seems in the United States we're always just a bit less progressed than Europe. So you're right, education would be helpful. -for one thing.
Another thing that would help would be to provide single-occupant unisex bathrooms. This isn't done everywhere as it costs money, but states have begun legislating about it lately as they have also been dealing with gay marriage etc. In Massachusetts for example transgenders just got equal rights guaranteed by law, but the provision for bathrooms was struck down. Well...I understand finances, but do they understand there are 700,000 transgenders who've had sex changes in the US, and another million or so in development?
It's not as rare a thing as we have been brought up to think. It's not a small problem.
Well the legislators do understand the numbers involved, that's why there was a law proposed, but i guess it just seemed like a bit much to tell every business in the state it must add or convert a bathroom, the same way we once told them they had to build ramps and extra parking spaces for the handicapped. There is after all a recession. So.. these people will have to muddle through, best they can, for now.
..It might help women to understand that when a man takes female hormones "he" becomes entirely impotent, so even though (s)he is in the ladies room, (s)he cant get a boner. (S)he's voluntarily had chemical castration and given up sexual gratification entirely, in trade for living as HERself. (It kind of shows they mean it, when they decide to change, because if they were just a cross-dresser -a man getting a sexual thrill from wearing women's clothes- then they'd never have been willing to give up having their penis work.)
Cross-dressers like that are also out there though. They are fetishists and don't belong in the ladies room because they'd be up to something weird in there. How can you tell the difference between a cross dresser and a transgender? I don't know. I'd guess you can't. However, what I've read suggests that cross-dressers are less likely to want to go out and walk around because their thing isn't to be or function as female. So if you see a he-she, that means, it's probably honest. A bit tragic, but honest.
oh shoot I'm rambling but I gotta go to work. Good to see you Syn. Haven't been seeing you here as much lately
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♫anna♫
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 3, 2012 2:47:48 GMT
These YouTube videos give a better quality rendition of Dateline 7's report on the Josie Romero case.
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