Jack the Ripper - his motives, his victims.

[♫anna♫]

Please folks!
Let's keep things civil here. A few sentences are begging to be deleted here. I'd like to see the authors' of the accusations and the off topic stuff modify their posts to be fit for posting here!

I agree that Crowley was bad news, but with all the drugged out wrecks in that crowd i'm sure that in addition to the alledged jtr Crowley probably had in his entourage the real McCoy Dracula from Romania-these guys can live forever. A dozen real life ( or real dead ) zombies. The reincarnations of Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan and Emperor Domitian, etc. etc..

It's my belief that if any of these "high class drugged out connoiseurs or phantasizers of evil" tried to prowl the streets of Whitechapel at night they'd get robbed of all their gold booty, the black capes, black tophats and all their other goodies!

[fretslider]

Nov 26, 2010 23:21:20 GMT pumpkinette said:

Nov 26, 2010 18:57:42 GMT fretslider said:

ZZZZZ


Edward Alexander Crowley was a bisexual, recreational drug experimenter and social critic. In many of these roles he was in revolt against the moral and religious values of his time, espousing a form of libertinism based upon the rule of "Do What Thou Wilt". Because of this, he gained widespread notoriety during his lifetime, and was denounced in the popular press of the day as "the wickedest man in the world."

Then the loony Americans come up with.....

Did Aleister Crowley Know the Identity of Jack the Ripper?
Pangenetor Lodge Publications, 1993.

A small pamphlet from Berkeley, California, in which the author discusses the connections between Aleister Crowley, Mabel Collins, Roslyn Donston and the Ripper murders.

This fascination you and your (tor)mentor have with serial murderers is sordid to say the least. You may be able to get help for it.

You leave out how the "wonderful" ( ) Crowley left behind a big trail of human wreckage. I notice you don't mention how his son DIED during 1 of his Dad's "fun" ( ) rituals. You don't mention how Crowley and his followers would have sex in front of their kids. WHAT A GUY! You don't mention the HYPOCRISY of how he was using drugs left and right along with alcohol and had his 1st wife committed to a mental hospital for alcoholism. There's more things I could list. An FYI, those who have had family members murdered (I'm 1 of those) we sometimes have a strong interest in crime, serial killers, etc. It's really sad you find that something to INSULT. The truth is I started reading up on these things right after the murders in my family in order to GET ANY ANSWERS of ANY KIND. This information has HELPED ME in my recovery greatly. I get inspiration from reading about when the justice system WORKS also. This is no different from someone who has a disease who then reads up on the disease to learn about it, heal, etc. I don't read these books as much now as I did in the 1st years after the murders since I HAVE gotten many answers, etc. It's really sad that you down someone for this kind of interest with not even bothering to find out their background. Why would you, though, when I'm Gabriel's friend? That's enough to see me as a "write off". This kind of mentality reminds me of grade school: I won't play with you because you play with HIM and I don't like HIM. I've had ###*** fake "friends" quit talking to me because I "dared" ( ) to join message boards that had people on them they didn't like. Really sad. This is just another example of the same mentality.

I left nothing out...."In many of these roles he was in revolt against the moral and religious values of his time, espousing a form of libertinism based upon the rule of "Do What Thou Wilt"."

Do I need to explain what "Do What Thou Wilt" means?

"This information has HELPED ME in my recovery greatly." - Is that so....

Let me clear up any misunderstanding in the words of Mr Spock.... I have never been and will never be your friend.

[pumpkinette]

Nov 27, 2010 10:47:29 GMT fretslider said:

Nov 26, 2010 23:21:20 GMT pumpkinette said:

You leave out how the "wonderful" ( ) Crowley left behind a big trail of human wreckage. I notice you don't mention how his son DIED during 1 of his Dad's "fun" ( ) rituals. You don't mention how Crowley and his followers would have sex in front of their kids. WHAT A GUY! You don't mention the HYPOCRISY of how he was using drugs left and right along with alcohol and had his 1st wife committed to a mental hospital for alcoholism. There's more things I could list. An FYI, those who have had family members murdered (I'm 1 of those) we sometimes have a strong interest in crime, serial killers, etc. It's really sad you find that something to INSULT. The truth is I started reading up on these things right after the murders in my family in order to GET ANY ANSWERS of ANY KIND. This information has HELPED ME in my recovery greatly. I get inspiration from reading about when the justice system WORKS also. This is no different from someone who has a disease who then reads up on the disease to learn about it, heal, etc. I don't read these books as much now as I did in the 1st years after the murders since I HAVE gotten many answers, etc. It's really sad that you down someone for this kind of interest with not even bothering to find out their background. Why would you, though, when I'm Gabriel's friend? That's enough to see me as a "write off". This kind of mentality reminds me of grade school: I won't play with you because you play with HIM and I don't like HIM. I've had ###*** fake "friends" quit talking to me because I "dared" ( ) to join message boards that had people on them they didn't like. Really sad. This is just another example of the same mentality.

I left nothing out...."In many of these roles he was in revolt against the moral and religious values of his time, espousing a form of libertinism based upon the rule of "Do What Thou Wilt"."

Do I need to explain what "Do What Thou Wilt" means?

"This information has HELPED ME in my recovery greatly." - Is that so....

Let me clear up any misunderstanding in the words of Mr Spock.... I have never been and will never be your friend.

If you want to pursue this, then please go to the "vendetta" room. I've already caused enough trouble on boards (not a fraction as some others have, though, which I'm proud of) and have resolved to do better, so...I'll only keep talking about this in the vendetta room if you want to. I'll leave that up to you as I'm not going to initiate anything in there.

[pumpkinette]

Nov 27, 2010 6:37:45 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Please folks!
Let's keep things civil here. A few sentences are begging to be deleted here. I'd like to see the authors' of the accusations and the off topic stuff modify their posts to be fit for posting here!

I agree that Crowley was bad news, but with all the drugged out wrecks in that crowd i'm sure that in addition to the alledged jtr Crowley probably had in his entourage the real McCoy Dracula from Romania-these guys can live forever. A dozen real life ( or real dead ) zombies. The reincarnations of Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan and Emperor Domitian, etc. etc..

It's my belief that if any of these "high class drugged out connoiseurs or phantasizers of evil" tried to prowl the streets of Whitechapel at night they'd get robbed of all their gold booty, the black capes, black tophats and all their other goodies!

I apologize, Anna, and have offered to take this to "vendetta" room if that's wanted. Again, sorry.

[fretslider]

Nov 27, 2010 14:19:29 GMT pumpkinette said:

Nov 27, 2010 10:47:29 GMT fretslider said:

I left nothing out...."In many of these roles he was in revolt against the moral and religious values of his time, espousing a form of libertinism based upon the rule of "Do What Thou Wilt"."

Do I need to explain what "Do What Thou Wilt" means?

"This information has HELPED ME in my recovery greatly." - Is that so....

Let me clear up any misunderstanding in the words of Mr Spock.... I have never been and will never be your friend.

If you want to pursue this, then please go to the "vendetta" room. I've already caused enough trouble on boards (not a fraction as some others have, though, which I'm proud of) and have resolved to do better, so...I'll only keep talking about this in the vendetta room if you want to. I'll leave that up to you as I'm not going to initiate anything in there.

Is there anything left to say? I think not.

[gabriel]

I don't remember. I'm sure it was really important. I'm off to the main forum now on Jack.

Have a nice day.

[fretslider]

Dec 24, 2010 12:20:18 GMT gabriel said:

I don't remember. I'm sure it was really important. I'm off to the main forum now on Jack.

Have a nice day.

So the English and Londoners like me now nothing about Jack, eh. So by the same token you do not know that your country is a penal colony.

We (in London) know enough to know that the identity will never be known.

Did you know.... New Scotland Yard have no files on the murders, nor details of the inquiry. The documents have been transfered over to the Public Record Office at Ruskin Avenue, Kew.

MEPO 1/48 Commissioner's letters, confidential and private, 1867-91.
MEPO 1/54 Out Ietters, 1890-1919.
MEPO 1/55 Letters to Home Office etc., 1883-1904.
MEPO 1/65 Letters from Receiver to Home Office etc., 1868-91.
MEPO 2/227 Police reinforcements for Whitechapel after Pinchin St. murder 1891.
MEPO 31140 Files on each of the Whitechapel murders (that on Emma Smith missing).
MEPO 3/141 Whitechapel murders, miscellaneous correspondence and suspects.
MEPO 3/142 'Jack the Ripper' letters.
MEPO 3/3153 Documents on the Whitechapel murders returned to Yard in 1987.
MEPO 3/3155 Photographs of Whitechapel Murder victims (original of Stride missing).
MEPO 3/3156 Copy of photograph of Elizabeth Stride

Bye bye Gabriella.

[pumpkinette]

Dec 24, 2010 13:08:54 GMT fretslider said:

Dec 24, 2010 12:20:18 GMT gabriel said:

I don't remember. I'm sure it was really important. I'm off to the main forum now on Jack.

Have a nice day.

So the English and Londoners like me now nothing about Jack, eh. So by the same token you do not know that your country is a penal colony.

We (in London) know enough to know that the identity will never be known.

Did you know.... New Scotland Yard have no files on the murders, nor details of the inquiry. The documents have been transfered over to the Public Record Office at Ruskin Avenue, Kew.

MEPO 1/48 Commissioner's letters, confidential and private, 1867-91.
MEPO 1/54 Out Ietters, 1890-1919.
MEPO 1/55 Letters to Home Office etc., 1883-1904.
MEPO 1/65 Letters from Receiver to Home Office etc., 1868-91.
MEPO 2/227 Police reinforcements for Whitechapel after Pinchin St. murder 1891.
MEPO 31140 Files on each of the Whitechapel murders (that on Emma Smith missing).
MEPO 3/141 Whitechapel murders, miscellaneous correspondence and suspects.
MEPO 3/142 'Jack the Ripper' letters.
MEPO 3/3153 Documents on the Whitechapel murders returned to Yard in 1987.
MEPO 3/3155 Photographs of Whitechapel Murder victims (original of Stride missing).
MEPO 3/3156 Copy of photograph of Elizabeth Stride

Bye bye Gabriella.

;D

[gabriel]

Pumpkin thanks but why bother?



Gabriel

[fretslider]

Dec 24, 2010 13:57:09 GMT gabriel said:

Pumpkin thanks but why bother?

Gabriel

Ah, Cheech AND Chong

I think if we examine the facts closely we find that I have lost nothing.
Do you seriously think that nobody here discusses JTR?

All the best.

[fretslider]

Moved by anna to:
biglinmarshall.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1228&page=7
Per Favore Fret! Posts that are way off topic get moved here!

[june]

Personal attacks Will be deleted. Make a point or stfu!

Merry Christmas!

[june]

On the topic of this thread:

I have no understanding of the fascination with these tawdry murders. It's all a bit sick to me. There is no respect for the victims at all and elevates a common pervert to almost god like status.

People are weird !

[pumpkinette]

Dec 24, 2010 16:32:02 GMT @june said:

On the topic of this thread:

I have no understanding of the fascination with these tawdry murders. It's all a bit sick to me. There is no respect for the victims at all and elevates a common pervert to almost god like status.

People are weird !

If you're interested, I can explain it from the view of an MVS (murder victim survivor, who are the surviving family/friends of murder victims). I'm 1 of these and understand the interest.

[♫anna♫]

Dec 24, 2010 16:32:02 GMT @june said:

On the topic of this thread:

I have no understanding of the fascination with these tawdry murders. It's all a bit sick to me. There is no respect for the victims at all and elevates a common pervert to almost god like status.

People are weird !

I understand your point June. The only reason i post here is because this creep got away in part due to flawed profiling.

[gabriel]

anna, we both worked hard on this thread. .

I won't be contributing any more.

.

[june]

I think the thread should stay, there is obvious interest from a wide range of posters.