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Post by ♫anna♫ on Dec 7, 2011 18:10:18 GMT
Atheist Chaplins for Atheist Soldiers?![/size] Apparently a number of atheists are offended by the phrase: "There are no atheists in foxholes!" The audio link above tells of attempts to recruit Atheist chaplains and how some atheists are offended by the status quo of the military.www.npr.org/2011/12/04/143057431/chaplains-wanted-for-atheists-in-foxholes QUOTE: Chaplains Wanted For Atheists In Foxholes
December 4, 2011 Retired Army captain and Iraqi war veteran Jason Torpy says the chaplains employed by the U.S. military can't relate to people like him. He's an atheist. He's also the president of a group that's trying to get the armed forces to become more inclusive by hiring atheist chaplains. The Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers wants the military to provide for the estimated 40,000 atheists, agnostics and humanists who serve in U.S. forces. Military chaplains, most of whom are Protestant Christians, are assigned many secular advising duties, including marriage, family and suicide counseling, Torpy tells weekends on All Things Considered guest host Rachel Martin. They touch so many parts of service members' lives, he says, they can help improve what he sees as an environment of exclusion. "That lack of connection to atheist and humanist communities, the lack of recognition or support for atheists and humanists — that implication can be solved primarily through the chaplains' corps," he says. Torpy says he has felt excluded in the military because of his beliefs. Once, before his unit deployed on a mission, the commander gathered everyone together for a Christian prayer. "So I had to opt myself out of that situation, to out myself because this commander took it upon himself to have a personal religious activity in the midst of a military mission," he says. While some might wonder what role atheists could fill in the chaplaincy, Torpy says they would be able to do the same job as any other chaplain who assists someone with different beliefs. "There are individuals that, they don't have those traditional religious perspectives, and some of those individuals want to serve as officers in the military," he says. "That's how they want to serve the nation, to do chaplain work, and they can do that in a way that Christians can't do it." So far, he says, he's gotten a tepid response from the Chaplain Corps generals. They haven't shown any interest in seriously pursuing his proposal, but they haven't made a flat-out refusal. "If they do that," he says, "they're saying that we are going to exclude and take no time to understand a certain subset of the population."
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Post by gg on Dec 13, 2011 18:37:17 GMT
chaplin definition- a christian clergyman
athiests can't possibly be christians-
better find another name cause atheist chaplin ain't gonna work
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Post by tiki on Dec 13, 2011 18:57:39 GMT
chaplin definition- a christian clergyman NOUN: Abbr. Ch. A member of the clergy attached to a chapel. A member of the clergy who conducts religious services for an institution, such as a prison or hospital. A member of the clergy who is connected with a royal court or an aristocratic household. A member of the clergy attached to a branch of the armed forces. --------------------------------------------------------- noun a clergyman attached to a chapel, as of a royal court a minister, priest, or rabbi serving in a religious capacity with the armed forces, or in a prison, hospital, etc. a clergyman, or sometimes a layman, appointed to perform religious functions in a public institution, club, etc. ----------------------------------------------------------- Were it said christian? U thot only there is CHRISTIAN chaplains in american military?? The military got also jewish muslim buddhist and hindu chaplains and possible other faiths to.Although the term chaplain originally had Christian roots,[1] it is generally used today in military organizations to describe all professionals specially trained to serve any spiritual need, regardless of religious affiliation. bit.ly/unPChQ
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Post by gg on Dec 14, 2011 15:26:58 GMT
chaplin definition- a christian clergyman NOUN: Abbr. Ch. A member of the clergy attached to a chapel. A member of the clergy who conducts religious services for an institution, such as a prison or hospital. A member of the clergy who is connected with a royal court or an aristocratic household. A member of the clergy attached to a branch of the armed forces. --------------------------------------------------------- noun a clergyman attached to a chapel, as of a royal court a minister, priest, or rabbi serving in a religious capacity with the armed forces, or in a prison, hospital, etc. a clergyman, or sometimes a layman, appointed to perform religious functions in a public institution, club, etc. ----------------------------------------------------------- Were it said christian? U thot only there is CHRISTIAN chaplains in american military?? The military got also jewish muslim buddhist and hindu chaplains and possible other faiths to.Although the term chaplain originally had Christian roots,[1] it is generally used today in military organizations to describe all professionals specially trained to serve any spiritual need, regardless of religious affiliation. bit.ly/unPChQby definition a chaplin is a christian clergyman- you don't like the definition then change it to suit yourself- webster will be glad to hear from you
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Post by Big Lin on Dec 14, 2011 19:16:01 GMT
I guess technically a chaplain may be required to be a Christian.
On the other hand, Jews, Hindus, Muslims and even pagans have spiritual consolers or whatever word you want to use attached to the military.
My problem isn't with the idea but with what exactly an atheist "spiritual adviser" would SAY to the troops!
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Post by tiki on Dec 15, 2011 0:16:16 GMT
NOUN: Abbr. Ch. A member of the clergy attached to a chapel. A member of the clergy who conducts religious services for an institution, such as a prison or hospital. A member of the clergy who is connected with a royal court or an aristocratic household. A member of the clergy attached to a branch of the armed forces. --------------------------------------------------------- noun a clergyman attached to a chapel, as of a royal court a minister, priest, or rabbi serving in a religious capacity with the armed forces, or in a prison, hospital, etc. a clergyman, or sometimes a layman, appointed to perform religious functions in a public institution, club, etc. ----------------------------------------------------------- Were it said christian? U thot only there is CHRISTIAN chaplains in american military?? The military got also jewish muslim buddhist and hindu chaplains and possible other faiths to.Although the term chaplain originally had Christian roots,[1] it is generally used today in military organizations to describe all professionals specially trained to serve any spiritual need, regardless of religious affiliation. bit.ly/unPChQby definition a chaplin is a christian clergyman- you don't like the definition then change it to suit yourself- webster will be glad to hear from you I paste quotes from on line dictionarys. If u dont like them its ur problem and not mine one. U live in so far past and things changed.
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Post by tiki on Dec 15, 2011 0:17:33 GMT
I guess technically a chaplain may be required to be a Christian. On the other hand, Jews, Hindus, Muslims and even pagans have spiritual consolers or whatever word you want to use attached to the military. My problem isn't with the idea but with what exactly an atheist "spiritual adviser" would SAY to the troops! I dont propose to have atheist chaplains except i think that few ppl hate to have ANY chaplain that is not christian. Maybe they thot all soldiers are christian else they better convert if they will serve america. How sad.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 15, 2011 2:09:51 GMT
I would prefer that our military not have any Chaplins. It's a controversial position of dubious worth. I could care less whether they're Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, or Whatever. They're all the same and they're all totally worthless.
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Post by gg on Dec 15, 2011 15:10:53 GMT
I would prefer that our military not have any Chaplins. It's a controversial position of dubious worth. I could care less whether they're Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, or Whatever. They're all the same and they're all totally worthless. complete and total disagreement with you on that. If they are there to comfort and they succeed in that- it doesn't matter what you call them or what their background is- they are not worthless at that time.
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Post by tiki on Dec 15, 2011 15:17:48 GMT
I would prefer that our military not have any Chaplins. It's a controversial position of dubious worth. I could care less whether they're Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, or Whatever. They're all the same and they're all totally worthless. complete and total disagreement with you on that. If they are there to comfort and they succeed in that- it doesn't matter what you call them or what their background is- they are not worthless at that time. Do u approve to have muslim and hindu and such chaplains?
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