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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 31, 2011 18:04:52 GMT
video.foxnews.com/v/1137504266001/911-coloring-book-causes-controversy/?playlist_id=86856 QUOTE: 9/11 Coloring Book Causes ControversyAug 31, 2011 www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/aug/31/9-11-children-colouring-book-muslims QUOTE: 9/11 children's colouring book angers US MuslimsA colouring book about the events of 9/11, complete with pictures of the burning twin towers and the execution of a cowering Osama bin Laden for children to fill in, has provoked outrage among American Muslims. We Shall Never Forget 9/11: The Kids' Book of Freedom has just been released by the Missouri-based publisher Really Big Coloring Books, which says it is "designed to be a tool that parents can use to help teach children about the facts surrounding 9/11". Showing scenes from 9/11 for children to colour in and telling the story of the attacks and the subsequent hunt for Osama bin Laden, "the book was created with honesty, integrity, reverence, respect and does not shy away from the truth", according to its publisher, which says that it has sold out of its first print run of 10,000 copies. One page of the $6.99 book, which has been given a PG rating, shows Bin Laden hiding behind a hijab-wearing woman as he is shot by a Navy SEAL. "Being the elusive character that he was, and after hiding out with his terrorist buddies in Pakistan and Afghanistan, American soldiers finally locate the terrorist leader Osama bin Laden," runs the text accompanying the picture. "Children, the truth is, these terrorist acts were done by freedom-hating radical Islamic Muslim extremists. These crazy people hate the American way of life because we are FREE and our society is FREE." The Council on American-Islamic Relations has condemned the book as "disgusting", saying that it characterises all Muslims as linked to extremism, terrorism and radicalism, which could lead children reading the book to believe that all Muslims are responsible for 9/11, and that followers of the Islamic faith are their enemies. Ibrahim Hooper, communications director for the organisation, told the Toronto Star that "America is full of these individuals and groups seeking to demonise Islam and marginalise Muslims and it's just a fact of life in the post-9/11 era". Nonetheless, he expressed his hope that "parents would recognise the agenda behind this book and not expose their children to intolerance or religious hatred". Publisher Wayne Bell told American television that the book does not portray Muslims "in a negative light at all. That is incorrect. This is about 19 terrorist hijackers that came over here under the leadership of a devil worshipper, Osama bin Laden, to murder our people," Bell said. "He [Dawud Walid, executive director of CAIR] calls the book disgusting ... but he should call the people in the book, the 19 terrorists, Osama bin Laden, he should call him disgusting. This is history. It is absolutely factual." But Walid said that "given the fact that this is a very emotional and sensitive topic and that there were Muslims who were victims in 9/11 [and] who were first responders, we think it would have been more responsible if the language would not have been such that every time Muslim was used it's radical, extremist, terrorist ... All these characters are painted to the mind of a young person that perhaps all Muslims may be somewhat responsible for 9/11 or that Muslims are an enemy." Really Big Coloring Books, which also published a colouring book teaching children about the Tea Party last year, has said that it will donate a portion of its proceeds from sales of the book to Bridges for Peace, "a Jerusalem-based, Bible-believing Christian organisation supporting Israel and building relationships between Christians and Jews worldwide through education and practical deeds expressing God's love and mercy".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2011 16:47:15 GMT
It is irresponsible to publish such a book without also explaining that American Muslims were generally horrified about what had happened. Given the last paragraph, I suspect the publishers had no interest in promoting any peace between the Arab world and Israel.
Anyway, it is a dull subject for a colouring book.
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 14, 2011 17:48:46 GMT
It is irresponsible to publish such a book without also explaining that American Muslims were generally horrified about what had happened. Given the last paragraph, I suspect the publishers had no interest in promoting any peace between the Arab world and Israel. Anyway, it is a dull subject for a colouring book. hardly. publishing a book of strictly factual material can hardly be called irresponsible. what would be irresponsible is publishing ANYTHING giving arabs equal station with israel, since israel is so vastly superior to them
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Post by Synonym on Sept 14, 2011 19:21:05 GMT
Surely it is not only Muslims who might object to this sort of thing in a children's book?
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 15, 2011 11:28:20 GMT
Surely it is not only Muslims who might object to this sort of thing in a children's book? i'm sure that there are other assorted nutjobs who object, but, NO rational person does
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Post by Synonym on Sept 15, 2011 14:38:31 GMT
Only irrational people might pause at glorifying or turning an execution into a paint-by-numbers type puzzle? And it wasn't even a 'proper' execution conducted after a fair trial.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 6:38:09 GMT
hardly. publishing a book of strictly factual material can hardly be called irresponsible. what would be irresponsible is publishing ANYTHING giving arabs equal station with israel, since israel is so vastly superior to them You don't think it irresponsible to pick out facts that put a bias on something, or present them in a misleading way? Quoting from the Guardian link the book includes the passage: Children, the truth is, these terrorist acts were done by freedom-hating radical Islamic Muslim extremists. These crazy people hate the American way of life because we are FREE and our society is FREE."It is a breathtakingly over-simplistic analysis of the reasons for the attack. But at least they make it clear that not all Muslims are freedom hating radical extremists. No, siree. It is those damn Islamic Muslims that you need to watch out for, boys and girls.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 16, 2011 7:06:18 GMT
I really don't understand why some Muslims are so upset about this. Christians don't seem to be upset when the stories of deranged fantatics like Jim Jones are told. Criticism of the crusades and the inquisition is acceptable as well.
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Post by maggie on Sept 16, 2011 15:56:53 GMT
That's quite a funny picture of bin liner hiding behind a woman though
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 16, 2011 17:39:52 GMT
hardly. publishing a book of strictly factual material can hardly be called irresponsible. what would be irresponsible is publishing ANYTHING giving arabs equal station with israel, since israel is so vastly superior to them You don't think it irresponsible to pick out facts that put a bias on something, or present them in a misleading way? Quoting from the Guardian link the book includes the passage: Children, the truth is, these terrorist acts were done by freedom-hating radical Islamic Muslim extremists. These crazy people hate the American way of life because we are FREE and our society is FREE."It is a breathtakingly over-simplistic analysis of the reasons for the attack. But at least they make it clear that not all Muslims are freedom hating radical extremists. No, siree. It is those damn Islamic Muslims that you need to watch out for, boys and girls. exactly what is false about the statement? one hundred percent of it is absolute truth. there is not a single word in either of those sentences that isn't the absolute truth. you don't believe in teaching the truth?
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 16, 2011 17:43:56 GMT
Only irrational people might pause at glorifying or turning an execution into a paint-by-numbers type puzzle? And it wasn't even a 'proper' execution conducted after a fair trial. if a kid is studying criminal justice, there obviously would be nothing wrong, to rational people, with an execution puzzle. the kid would learn execution protocol and such much more effectively than just reading it in a book
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 18:36:02 GMT
I really don't understand why some Muslims are so upset about this. Christians don't seem to be upset when the stories of deranged fantatics like Jim Jones are told. Criticism of the crusades and the inquisition is acceptable as well. It all depends of course on how the stories are told. Suppose the only modern Christian that children in Pakistan are told about is Jim Jones. Suppose they learn about the crusades in their history lessons. How do you think they will regard Christians as they are growing up?
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Post by Synonym on Sept 16, 2011 19:44:57 GMT
if a kid is studying criminal justice, there obviously would be nothing wrong, to rational people, with an execution puzzle. the kid would learn execution protocol and such much more effectively than just reading it in a book It trivialises something serious. The taking of human life should always be considered to be a serious matter IMO, even if justified. Also what was the protocol here? This wasn't an example of a person being found guilty of a crime in a court of law and sentenced.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Sept 16, 2011 20:09:24 GMT
someone always feels offended about something ... THEIR problem .. who gives a fuck
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 7:17:04 GMT
The book just strikes me as propaganda, and will probably be bought by the same people who think Bush attacked Iraq because Saddam was behind the 9/11 attacks.
If you are going to teach children about the events tell them properly, and explain the reasons why some Muslims hate America. OK, few of us do understand it properly, but it has less to do with freedom than greed.
Suppose a fringe Islamic group brought out a children's story portraying the terrorists as brave people who sacrificed their lives to give a wake up call to self centred Americans. Do you think anyone would be offended? You can bet they would.
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 17, 2011 14:03:46 GMT
The book just strikes me as propaganda, and will probably be bought by the same people who think Bush attacked Iraq because Saddam was behind the 9/11 attacks. If you are going to teach children about the events tell them properly, and explain the reasons why some Muslims hate America. OK, few of us do understand it properly, but it has less to do with freedom than greed. Suppose a fringe Islamic group brought out a children's story portraying the terrorists as brave people who sacrificed their lives to give a wake up call to self centred Americans. Do you think anyone would be offended? You can bet they would. of course, the reality is that they would have a right to be offended. everyone should be offended by outright lies. since there is not ONE, nada, zip, zilch, legitimate grievance that muslims have, and particularly the utterly worthless garbage who perpetrate murder, there is NO rational reason to explain ANYTHING that the trash think
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 17, 2011 14:08:36 GMT
someone always feels offended about something ... THEIR problem .. who gives a fuck no rational person does, particularly when those claiming offense have no right to. obviously, in this case, and others like it, those claiming offense deserve to be offended, and should be as often as possible
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 17, 2011 14:19:45 GMT
if a kid is studying criminal justice, there obviously would be nothing wrong, to rational people, with an execution puzzle. the kid would learn execution protocol and such much more effectively than just reading it in a book It trivialises something serious. The taking of human life should always be considered to be a serious matter IMO, even if justified. Also what was the protocol here? This wasn't an example of a person being found guilty of a crime in a court of law and sentenced. your problem is that you are starting from a totally false premise in this instance. if a fly is buzzing around your head, do you swat it? have you ever put out bait and killed a roach? if so, you are a hypocrite. the simple reality is that the fly or the roach have never done anything to deserve to die. the bin laden garbage, and the other vermin like him, more than deserve to die. there is NOTHING serious about terminating such a worthless life. in this case, there was no rational reason for a trial and being sentenced to begin with. we are not talking about real human beings here
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Post by Synonym on Sept 17, 2011 16:07:25 GMT
your problem is that you are starting from a totally false premise in this instance. if a fly is buzzing around your head, do you swat it? have you ever put out bait and killed a roach? if so, you are a hypocrite. What premise are you starting from? That all life is of equal value and so swatting a fly that annoys me and taking a man's life are as equally (un)important incidents as eachother?What species was Bin Laden?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 17:14:14 GMT
Just a different persepctive, Jumbo, not lies. Saying that the people who drove the planes into the twin towers "hated freedom" is a gross distortion of the truth, even to my ignorant mind.
Some aspects of capitalism don't sit easily with Islam, nor indeed with Christianity.
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