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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 15, 2011 20:36:01 GMT
Jumbo, are you saying that the blogger is not using his real name? That would totally change my view on the whole thing. But we are told that his children can go on line and see what he has written; how can they do that if he is not identified? Yes, truth is a defence to libel, but the onus would be on him to prove the truth of everything he writes, which might be very difficult. the point is that he NEVER specifically mentions her name. she is referred to as the psycho ex wife. obviously, a lot of people who know them know who he's talking about, but that is relevant to absolutely NOTHING. you guys are trying to claim that he's personally attacking her, when nothing could be further from the truth. it's the same as if i say that those who think a certain thing are imbeciles, the fact that you think that in no way means that i am personally attacking you. ONLY if i specifically say that YOU are an imbecile can it be construed as a personal attack by any rational person. as long as it is a generalization, by definition, it can NOT be a personal attack
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 15, 2011 20:41:16 GMT
that kind of thinking did quite well in nazi germany and communist russia. it still does in tehran. it don't fly in the civilized world however Free speech does notgive you the right to say what you want. Deformation, libel etc all exist in legal systems yes, free speech DOES give me the right to say what i want. you have no right to be offended by anything that i say. if you choose to be, that is TOTALLY on you. deformation does not exist in the legal system. it is usually a physical condition. however, since i know that you meant defamation, the point is still true. truth is always a defense. stating something as an opinion rather than as a fact is also a defense. you do not have a right to sue anyone for stating their opinion. in all probability, most of what this chap has written in his blog is opinion, based on an assortment of facts.
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Post by june on Aug 15, 2011 20:48:59 GMT
sorry about spelling - was rushing to jump in the bath. I'm squeaky clean now ;D Free speech does notgive you the right to say what you want. Deformation, libel etc all exist in legal systems yes, free speech DOES give me the right to say what i want. you have no right to be offended by anything that i say. if you choose to be, that is TOTALLY on you. deformation does not exist in the legal system. it is usually a physical condition. however, since i know that you meant defamation, the point is still true. truth is always a defense. stating something as an opinion rather than as a fact is also a defense. you do not have a right to sue anyone for stating their opinion. in all probability, most of what this chap has written in his blog is opinion, based on an assortment of facts.
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Post by sadie1263 on Aug 15, 2011 22:00:57 GMT
My understanding is that his name was not on the blog....nor was his wife. She found out about the blog and that he was doing it (probably from mutual friends)....and took it to court. Now....that will also make it up to them if the kids find out about it or not.
From what I have seen of nasty divorce and custody cases......they won't.....they will drag them thru every bit of it.
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 15, 2011 22:16:51 GMT
sorry about spelling - was rushing to jump in the bath. I'm squeaky clean now ;D yes, free speech DOES give me the right to say what i want. you have no right to be offended by anything that i say. if you choose to be, that is TOTALLY on you. deformation does not exist in the legal system. it is usually a physical condition. however, since i know that you meant defamation, the point is still true. truth is always a defense. stating something as an opinion rather than as a fact is also a defense. you do not have a right to sue anyone for stating their opinion. in all probability, most of what this chap has written in his blog is opinion, based on an assortment of facts. that's a good thing. cleanliness is next to godliness, ya know? it wasn't a big thing, but, you know me, i never miss the opportunity to jump on something like that. it's just part of being me
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 15, 2011 22:23:19 GMT
My understanding is that his name was not on the blog....nor was his wife. She found out about the blog and that he was doing it (probably from mutual friends)....and took it to court. Now....that will also make it up to them if the kids find out about it or not. From what I have seen of nasty divorce and custody cases......they won't.....they will drag them thru every bit of it. all this is is case of this imbecilic judge trying to make the chap responsible for what other people think, and that is despicable on its face. just because i tell you that i'm representing so and so, it is not my fault if you choose to think that i am that person's attorney. it doesn't matter what i tell you. YOU are solely responsible for what you think. i have no responsibility for it at all, under ANY circumstance. the bottom line is still that, it is simply irrelevant if everyone in the world knows who he is talking about. as long as he don't mention her by name, or direct an untruth toward her, there is NO case that can be made for him bullying her end of story
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Post by june on Aug 15, 2011 23:03:36 GMT
I'm now not sure. If no names are mentioned it is hard to see the legal aspect. Morally he is a prick but legally I'm not sure. I will think on.
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Post by sadie1263 on Aug 16, 2011 1:00:56 GMT
the site seems to be back up....I copied this from there....it is very long so I edited....but the link is at the bottom What this website is… This website is about us. That is, it’s about DW and Mister-M and their lives. It shares the experiences of going through a high-conflict divorce with an ex-wife whose entire existence is predicated on pursuing and destroying her ex-husband. The only tool she has left with which to do this – the children. (It is not about PEW. It never has been. It never will be.) This website is about you. That is to say, this website is about those of you who are going through similar experiences and are looking to pull yourselves out of the madness as much as our advice and suggestions allow. It is through sharing your ideas, thoughts, suggestions, and experiences that all others who read here learn to cope better. You learn how to manage your situations better. You learn how to avoid making the same mistakes we have (and sometimes still do) in order to improve your lives and the lives of those you love. This site is about seeking help. Many of you will never know how your feedback, suggestions, advice, and sharing have helped us immeasurably throughout our journey. For that, we thank you and then we thank you again. This site is our place to vent our proverbial spleens in whatever manner and using whatever language we so choose. One of the greatest suggestions I learned in therapy was to “journal” my experiences. That is what we do. As stated in previous pages, it eliminates the burden of telling these stories to family and friends. If there weren’t so frigging many of them, it would be different. But with some craziness happening, still, on a weekly (sometimes even daily) basis – you can imagine how quickly people would tire of hearing about it. This site is not about hating women/mothers. This site is not about hating men/fathers. We are gender neutral when it comes to helping people deal with their psycho ex-wives or psycho ex-husbands or whatever status your “psycho ex” holds (girlfriend, boyfriend, unknown stalker, etc.) Our psycho ex-wife forums have registrants with psycho ex-husbands, too. We will not apologize for the reality that the term “psycho ex-wife” is one of the highest search engine phrases on the internet. It is due to research on that front that the name of this website came to be. Deal with it. This website is about being a hub of information sharing, meaningful articles and content, and continuing to evolve as a support group for so many people, almost all of whom open their emails to us with the phrase, “Oh, my GOD! We thought we were the only people in the world going through this kind of hell with our psycho ex!” You are not alone. Not by a long-shot. In case it wasn’t clear in any of the previous passages. We’re here to help others as well as ourselves. If we also find ways to dig deep to find some dark or light humor and entertain – all the better. The bottom line is – we want to help. We do this to help. Helping others going through this type of madness is our primary objective. What this website isn’t… This website is not about PEW. It never has been. It never will be. Despite her self-centered belief that it is “all about her” – the sad truth for her is that it simply isn’t. Despite her protests to the contrary – it simply isn’t. The reality is, this website is about me, DW, what we experience, how we deal with those experiences, and how we might help others going through similar experiences. As we’ve previously stated – the last thing we wanted was for PEW to ever find out about this site. The fact is it was around for 2-years before a certain search was undertaken that landed her at thepsychoexwife.com. More importantly, she would have no idea who this site was about if not for recognizing excerpts from the terroristic, vulgar-filled hate mails she regularly sends. This is how PEW discovered thepsychoexwife.com. Ironically enough, I journaled elsewhere prior to this website and resisted the urge to create this blog for several years. In several interviews, I made a point of remaining “Mister-M” out of respect to the privacy of all and the fallout which would have undoubtedly come from such a discovery (and as much said so). This brings us to the children. How can the children be protected from this website? The fact is, the children never have to know about this website. However, they do. And do you know why the children know about this website? The children are aware of the existence of this website because PEW, in her infinite thoughtlessness (particularly when it comes to protecting the children from the madness she creates) – told them about it. That’s right, folks. PEW made the unilateral decision to tell the children about a site that details the horror of the situation that is horrible enough because they live it. I would say something like, “…that’s a decision she’ll have to live with for the rest of her life…” but that would imply that she gives a shit or understands what a terrible choice that was, all in the name of her selfishness and attempts to leverage control over whether or not this site continues to exist, and who the children will “choose” when she forces them to go to court. As I’ve said many times before, PEW will not hesitate to throw the children under the bus if it means she can go on the offensive about some nonsensical bullshit. She believes the site harms them, and she tells them about it so that they are harmed and she has something to bitch about. Sick. read more here www.thepsychoexwife.com/shutting-down-thepsychoexwife/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 6:21:40 GMT
the site seems to be back up....I copied this from there....it is very long so I edited....but the link is at the bottom What this website is… This website is about us. That is, it’s about DW and Mister-M and their lives. It shares the experiences of going through a high-conflict divorce with an ex-wife whose entire existence is predicated on pursuing and destroying her ex-husband. The only tool she has left with which to do this – the children. (It is not about PEW. It never has been. It never will be.) This website is about you. That is to say, this website is about those of you who are going through similar experiences and are looking to pull yourselves out of the madness as much as our advice and suggestions allow. It is through sharing your ideas, thoughts, suggestions, and experiences that all others who read here learn to cope better. You learn how to manage your situations better. You learn how to avoid making the same mistakes we have (and sometimes still do) in order to improve your lives and the lives of those you love. This site is about seeking help. Many of you will never know how your feedback, suggestions, advice, and sharing have helped us immeasurably throughout our journey. For that, we thank you and then we thank you again. This site is our place to vent our proverbial spleens in whatever manner and using whatever language we so choose. One of the greatest suggestions I learned in therapy was to “journal” my experiences. That is what we do. As stated in previous pages, it eliminates the burden of telling these stories to family and friends. If there weren’t so frigging many of them, it would be different. But with some craziness happening, still, on a weekly (sometimes even daily) basis – you can imagine how quickly people would tire of hearing about it. This site is not about hating women/mothers. This site is not about hating men/fathers. We are gender neutral when it comes to helping people deal with their psycho ex-wives or psycho ex-husbands or whatever status your “psycho ex” holds (girlfriend, boyfriend, unknown stalker, etc.) Our psycho ex-wife forums have registrants with psycho ex-husbands, too. We will not apologize for the reality that the term “psycho ex-wife” is one of the highest search engine phrases on the internet. It is due to research on that front that the name of this website came to be. Deal with it. This website is about being a hub of information sharing, meaningful articles and content, and continuing to evolve as a support group for so many people, almost all of whom open their emails to us with the phrase, “Oh, my GOD! We thought we were the only people in the world going through this kind of hell with our psycho ex!” You are not alone. Not by a long-shot. In case it wasn’t clear in any of the previous passages. We’re here to help others as well as ourselves. If we also find ways to dig deep to find some dark or light humor and entertain – all the better. The bottom line is – we want to help. We do this to help. Helping others going through this type of madness is our primary objective. What this website isn’t… This website is not about PEW. It never has been. It never will be. Despite her self-centered belief that it is “all about her” – the sad truth for her is that it simply isn’t. Despite her protests to the contrary – it simply isn’t. The reality is, this website is about me, DW, what we experience, how we deal with those experiences, and how we might help others going through similar experiences. As we’ve previously stated – the last thing we wanted was for PEW to ever find out about this site. The fact is it was around for 2-years before a certain search was undertaken that landed her at thepsychoexwife.com. More importantly, she would have no idea who this site was about if not for recognizing excerpts from the terroristic, vulgar-filled hate mails she regularly sends. This is how PEW discovered thepsychoexwife.com. Ironically enough, I journaled elsewhere prior to this website and resisted the urge to create this blog for several years. In several interviews, I made a point of remaining “Mister-M” out of respect to the privacy of all and the fallout which would have undoubtedly come from such a discovery (and as much said so).
This brings us to the children. How can the children be protected from this website? The fact is, the children never have to know about this website. However, they do. And do you know why the children know about this website? The children are aware of the existence of this website because PEW, in her infinite thoughtlessness (particularly when it comes to protecting the children from the madness she creates) – told them about it. That’s right, folks. PEW made the unilateral decision to tell the children about a site that details the horror of the situation that is horrible enough because they live it. I would say something like, “…that’s a decision she’ll have to live with for the rest of her life…” but that would imply that she gives a shit or understands what a terrible choice that was, all in the name of her selfishness and attempts to leverage control over whether or not this site continues to exist, and who the children will “choose” when she forces them to go to court. As I’ve said many times before, PEW will not hesitate to throw the children under the bus if it means she can go on the offensive about some nonsensical bullshit. She believes the site harms them, and she tells them about it so that they are harmed and she has something to bitch about. Sick. read more here www.thepsychoexwife.com/shutting-down-thepsychoexwife/Ah. The bits I've highlighted in red put a different perspective on the whole thing.....if true!
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Post by sadie1263 on Aug 16, 2011 13:15:21 GMT
So many people in their anger over whatever grievances they have with their former loved one.......are willing to burn everything in their path to hurt the other one......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 19:11:22 GMT
Involving the children takes the whole feud to new depths, though.
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 16, 2011 21:30:04 GMT
So many people in their anger over whatever grievances they have with their former loved one.......are willing to burn everything in their path to hurt the other one...... well, when you're in a war, a scorched earth policy is the ONLY intelligent policy
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 16, 2011 21:31:51 GMT
Involving the children takes the whole feud to new depths, though. it's unfortunate, but there is always collateral damage in any war. using kids as human shields though, makes her a loser to begin with obviously, everything the chap has said about her is the unvarnished truth
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 16, 2011 22:44:56 GMT
Involving the children takes the whole feud to new depths, though. it's unfortunate, but there is always collateral damage in any war. using kids as human shields though, makes her a loser to begin with obviously, everything the chap has said about her is the unvarnished truth Oh come on Jumbo! This guy said on his website that his "Psycho Ex-Wife" looked like Jabba the Hut! This "chap" doesn't seem to be in the habit of telling the unvarnised truth!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 9:59:37 GMT
My goodness, Jabba the Hut reminds me of my old landlady!
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Post by trubble on Aug 17, 2011 12:01:21 GMT
If he feels that the children should not be exposed to the arguments then he should make sure that he doesn't put them on the internet. Simple as.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 12:40:19 GMT
I'm not sure about that Trubble. I dare say that a lot of people post things on the net that they hope won't be seen by others, but they feel safe because they've hidden themselves under a fictitious name, and maybe changed a few personal details.
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Post by trubble on Aug 17, 2011 13:15:00 GMT
But that's a risk they take.
If you want to gamble, you have to take the loss on the chin.
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 17, 2011 15:05:46 GMT
If he feels that the children should not be exposed to the arguments then he should make sure that he doesn't put them on the internet. Simple as. NOPE!! the FACT is that, if the worthless ex wife cared anything about the kids, she would not have pointed them to the blog. the chances that they would come across it on their own are absolutely ZERO. she, and she alone, is TOTALLY responsible for any harm that the kids might suffer. he certainly bears NO responsibility whatsoever
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 17, 2011 15:07:11 GMT
it's unfortunate, but there is always collateral damage in any war. using kids as human shields though, makes her a loser to begin with obviously, everything the chap has said about her is the unvarnished truth Oh come on Jumbo! This guy said on his website that his "Psycho Ex-Wife" looked like Jabba the Hut! This "chap" doesn't seem to be in the habit of telling the unvarnised truth!it wasn't necessarily untruthful. he is allowed poetic license
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