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Post by june on Jul 26, 2011 21:41:59 GMT
The Vatican has recalled its special envoy in Ireland after a damning report on the Catholic Church's handling of child abuse by priests. Papal Nuncio Giuseppe Leanza has been called back to Rome to discuss the impact of the recent Cloyne Report. It showed how allegations of sex abuse by priests in Cork had been covered up. The report led to angry condemnation of the Vatican by Prime Minister Enda Kenny in the Irish Parliament. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14272988I cannot believe that the Church cannot get to grips with this and understand they need to be decisive. They are making things much worse for themselves by being so reluctant to speak out.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 26, 2011 22:03:07 GMT
Unfortunately the Bishop of Rome and his mob have a long track record of covering up abuse.
They seem more worried about bad publicity than actually the abuses themselves.
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Post by Liberator on Jul 27, 2011 2:56:14 GMT
They've been on a reactionary swing ever since John XXIII. He must have known that the name John has some bad associations and at least one missing number - Pope Joan is supposed to come from how an early John's mistress dominated him their son, the next John X or thereabouts. There was at least one John XXIII before but at one of the times when there was one in Avignon and another in Rome, so they appointed a third instead but the other two held their ground and (I think) all killed each other off. Still, I suppose it's like France can have Napoleon I & III without a Napoleon II. John Player I was a genuinely good man. J-P II was a clever bastard giving all the appearance of man of the people publicity while back-pedalling like hell doctrinally, and this one former head of what used to be called the Inquisition is his protégé and a great conservative theologian - with an interest in visions of the BVM. He's an academic, meaning that he won't rock the practical boat because he's not interested in it, but he can be relied on to provide all the right theological justifications for nothing changing since the tenth century. He's more like a constitutional monarch than a ruling one, but in this case that's bad news because the Cardinals running the show while he does the obscure research are all the undead who last had contact with anything in the real world when they were 15 about 500 years ago. Still, in the unlikely event that St. Malachy's prophecies were right (and they are too obscure to be proven wrong) he has to be the last one before RomanPeter presiding over the Church's Great Tribulation. If somebody really was prescient (whether Malachy or somebody much later inventing his prophecies), maybe they foresaw a Pope who'd need to do a Gorbachev awarding himself dictatorial powers officially more dictatorial than any before, in order to clear the history of secret service and conservative able to remove any leader who disagreed with them. What Stalin set up that only Stalin could control, and ended up controlling his successors (or he still controlling from the grave by legacy) is not so far off the closed conclaves that popes might have controlled through back door pressure once, but now can easily control popes. Of course, whether they believe it or not, they are all aware of the prophecies and aware that a lot of their followers believe them - and that those prophecies allow for only a final Peter to match the first Peter, like western Rome started with Romulus and Augustus and ended with Romulus Augustulus.
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Post by toby on Jul 27, 2011 6:41:20 GMT
Toby comments.:- When Kolonel Ratzinger dies, it will be interesting to see who follows !
Back in the dim and distant, priests were allowed to fornicate with Women, indeed it is reported that in the Holy Cities of Avignon and Rome there were susstantial Brothels which were frequented by Priests. Why did the Church embrace abstinence ?
The Knichts Templar did not fornicate whilst in service and that set an example, the second reason is that the Roman Church wished to put a clear line between them and Judaism.
Having said that, it is clear that abstinence is unhealthy, the Vatican produced a book of rules for Priests and some of the rules are so daft such as the one that allows a Priest to masturbate, but not to the point of orgasm !!
In otherwords they don't get to shoot their load - ever !! (not if they are good Priests) except through nocturnal emissions and these are unsatisfactory and also messy.
No wonder the Roman Church is in trouble.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 27, 2011 14:22:21 GMT
Toby comments.:- When Kolonel Ratzinger dies, it will be interesting to see who follows ! Back in the dim and distant, priests were allowed to fornicate with Women, indeed it is reported that in the Holy Cities of Avignon and Rome there were susstantial Brothels which were frequented by Priests. Why did the Church embrace abstinence ? The Knichts Templar did not fornicate whilst in service and that set an example, the second reason is that the Roman Church wished to put a clear line between them and Judaism. Having said that, it is clear that abstinence is unhealthy, the Vatican produced a book of rules for Priests and some of the rules are so daft such as the one that allows a Priest to masturbate, but not to the point of orgasm !! In otherwords they don't get to shoot their load - ever !! (not if they are good Priests) except through nocturnal emissions and these are unsatisfactory and also messy. No wonder the Roman Church is in trouble. Until the mad German monk Hildebrand became Pope Gregory VIi it was perfectly acceptable for priests to be married. He introduced compulsory clerical celibacy as well as beginning the first wide-scale persecutions of "heretics" and "witches." Many of the later problems of the Romish Church can be laid at the door of the mad monk Gregory.
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