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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 12, 2011 22:32:25 GMT
bleacherreport.com/tb/baaWh QUOTE: The A's suspended minor league pitcher Ian Krol indefinitely for violating club policy with "inflammatory and derogatory comments on Twitter" on Sunday, according to a team release. Krol's comments included a homosexual slur. The left-hander was the A's Minor League Pitcher of the Year in 2010 while at Single-A. Krol, 20, was suspended from his high school team as a senior reportedly for an alcohol-related incident before the A's selected him in the seventh round in 2009.
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Post by Lauren on Jul 13, 2011 3:59:04 GMT
I, personally, don't think the team was out of line for suspending Krol indefinitely. He violated club policy - he should have known better.
Rules are rules, just like laws. You don't follow them, there are consequences.
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2011 7:32:34 GMT
What's a homosexual slur?
Suggesting that someon't homosexual when they aren't?
How sad that that is seen as a slur.
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Post by Synonym on Jul 13, 2011 15:36:17 GMT
I have thought similar in the past Jean, when I have heard of celebs being awarded 'damages' for being misreported as being gay by papers or magazines. By awarding 'damages' are not the courts colluding in homophobia? Wonder if they could be argued to be breaking some equality law or directive.
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Post by Lauren on Jul 13, 2011 16:59:49 GMT
By awarding 'damages' are not the courts colluding in homophobia? Wonder if they could be argued to be breaking some equality law or directive. No. Because the person clearly broke the Misrepresentation Act of 1967, under negligent misrepresentation. If someone prints something knowing to be false, and makes a profit out of that statement, then the person has every right, under the statue and tort law to sue for damages. It would be like if People Magazine decided to print a knowingly false statement about a celebrity, and making a huge profit because of something false. The courts are only following the law. I don't think they care about what misrepresentation was printed, only that there was a misrepresentation printed, and someone profited out of that lie.
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Post by Synonym on Jul 13, 2011 17:51:20 GMT
What if the false info was that the celeb had adopted some starving orphans, or had donated $500,000 to cancer research, when they hadn't? Could the celeb sue for 'damages' in that case? The court is not just following the law but is making a value judgment when it classifies a piece of false information as being 'damaging' as opposed to just being false.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 13, 2011 18:58:27 GMT
I can only find only find the censored quote below of what this baseball player put on twitter. I assume ASU is Arizona State University. It's looks like the remark was crude.
There are other professional athletes under fire for such remarks. chuvachienes.com/2011/07/11/sportsmen-must-know-that-the-world-is-changing-ian-krol-suspended-after-gay-slur-tweet/ QUOTE: Joining Gordon Beckham, Kobe Bryant, Joakim Noah and DeSean Jackson – Oakland A’s pitching prospect Ian Krol has come under fire and was suspended after tweeting a graphic tweet that contained a gay slur: “ASU is a bunch of fake a** f***, get on one knee a **** **, I’m better than you’ll ever be…” That is according to Larry Brown of LarryBrownSports.com. The world is constantly evolving and just like any racial slurs that you utter today could get you in trouble, gay slurs are equally unacceptable to society now. Companies are putting policies about it, even sports teams are being very cognizant of the fact that hateful words have no place in sports.
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2011 19:22:52 GMT
What would count as a 'racial slur'? Saying someone's black if they aren't?
The point is that saying someone's gay ought not to be a 'slur', even if they aren't.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 13, 2011 19:26:20 GMT
I never did like kobi bryant every since he alledgedly raped a young woman and paid her off to avoid being charged. He was fined $100- for calling the referee, who called a foul on him, a f--k--g f-gg-t.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 13, 2011 19:33:13 GMT
What would count as a 'racial slur'? Saying someone's black if they aren't? The point is that saying someone's gay ought not to be a 'slur', even if they aren't. Hi Jean! Apparently the Gordon Beckham case is exactly about that. Beckham's "Getz is Gay" remark is discussed here: www.kansascity.com/2011/07/09/3004647/royals-notebook-getz-brushes-off.html QUOTE: Chis Getz brushes off incident involving ex-teammate Beckham
Royals second baseman Chris Getz won’t be among those lining up to condemn friend and former teammate Gordon Beckham for the insensitive message Beckham scrawled in the dirt with his cleat during Monday’s Royals-White Sox game at U.S. Cellular Field in Chicago. Beckham has caught flack from coast to coast for writing “GETZ IS GAY! GB” in the dirt near second base. “Personally, I wasn’t offended,” Getz said. “I can’t think of myself as a true victim here.” Getz might not be upset about it, but several fans in the upper deck saw the message and were offended. An image is circulating online, according to The Associated Press. “It’s a mistake and you learn from it,” Getz said. “Heck, I’ve written stuff in the dirt before, but you’ve got to be careful because there are eyes and ears everywhere.” Getz and Beckham played together in 2009 with the White Sox. That offseason Getz was traded to the Royals along with Josh Fields in a deal that sent Mark Teahen to the White Sox. “We’re good friends and we lived together in spring training actually,” Getz said. “I feel bad for him right now, because he’s catching a lot of heat for it.” Beckham has repeatedly apologized, and he reiterated again Saturday that it was “supposed to be a joke.” “Obviously, I apologize,” he said. “That’s not who I am. It was a mistake. I’ll learn from it. It’s stupid of me, but it’s nothing I can take back.” Getz and Beckham, who both have the same agent, have spoken since Monday and insist there is no bad blood. “He’s kind of distraught and really thrown off by it,” said Getz, who recently got engaged. The only person more ready for the controversy to blow over than Getz, who answered questions in a diplomatic yet sheepish manner before Saturday’s battle with the Tigers, might be Beckham. “We’re all just going to try to move on and get some real hits, not Google hits,” Getz said.
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Post by Lauren on Jul 13, 2011 20:23:07 GMT
What if the false info was that the celeb had adopted some starving orphans, or had donated $500,000 to cancer research, when they hadn't? Could the celeb sue for 'damages' in that case? If they wanted to, yes. It is tort law, after all, not criminal. The onus is on the person whether they want to sue or not. And if they chose to sue, the law, and the Misrepresentation act, is in their favour. The person being sued has to prove that what they printed was said out of opinion and had no evidence to back up their opinion. If they can prove it was said in their opinion, the law suit is dropped. How is that unfair? Or making a value judgement?
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Post by Synonym on Jul 13, 2011 21:14:24 GMT
If a person sued for damages because a newspaper printed a false article saying that they had donated a fortune to cancer research, would they'd get a high payout? Doesn't someone, somewhere have to make a value judgment as to how 'damaging' the false info was to the person suing?
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2011 21:30:11 GMT
If a person sued for damages because a newspaper printed a false article saying that they had donated a fortune to cancer research, would they get a high payout? Would they even sue in the first place? Although theoretically they could, has anyone ever been known to sue on the basis of a claim about them that they did not consider to be defamatory as well as untrue?
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Post by Lauren on Jul 14, 2011 1:03:14 GMT
If a person sued for damages because a newspaper printed a false article saying that they had donated a fortune to cancer research, would they'd get a high payout? Doesn't someone, somewhere have to make a value judgment as to how 'damaging' the false info was to the person suing? People sue McDonalds because it makes them fat because they eat it everyday. Obviously there is no such thing as 'damaging' when it comes to tort/civil law.
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Post by toby on Jul 17, 2011 14:15:54 GMT
anna posted.:- The world is constantly evolving and just like any racial slurs that you utter today could get you in trouble, gay slurs are equally unacceptable to society now.
Toby comments.:- Why don't you call them Homosexuals ? all these little twee words such as ,'gay', don't really cut it.
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Post by june on Jul 17, 2011 18:40:54 GMT
anna posted.:- The world is constantly evolving and just like any racial slurs that you utter today could get you in trouble, gay slurs are equally unacceptable to society now. Toby comments.:- Why don't you call them Homosexuals ? all these little twee words such as ,'gay', don't really cut it. because women can be gay too!
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 18, 2011 12:47:35 GMT
I, personally, don't think the team was out of line for suspending Krol indefinitely. He violated club policy - he should have known better. Rules are rules, just like laws. You don't follow them, there are consequences. when there is NO legitimate reason for a rule except the bigotry of the pc nutjobs making it, why should anyone abide by it?
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 18, 2011 13:13:13 GMT
What if the false info was that the celeb had adopted some starving orphans, or had donated $500,000 to cancer research, when they hadn't? Could the celeb sue for 'damages' in that case? The court is not just following the law but is making a value judgment when it classifies a piece of false information as being 'damaging' as opposed to just being false. for sure. you never hear of anyone suing because the false story was flattering.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 18, 2011 13:16:04 GMT
What would count as a 'racial slur'? Saying someone's black if they aren't? The point is that saying someone's gay ought not to be a 'slur', even if they aren't. it's NOT a slur if they are. it's DAMN sure a slur if they're not of course
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Post by iamjumbo on Jul 18, 2011 13:20:48 GMT
anna posted.:- The world is constantly evolving and just like any racial slurs that you utter today could get you in trouble, gay slurs are equally unacceptable to society now. Toby comments.:- Why don't you call them Homosexuals ? all these little twee words such as ,'gay', don't really cut it. because women can be gay too! by definition, gay women are homosexuals
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