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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 11, 2009 13:47:55 GMT
I call it Gore-Bull warming. A more accurate characterization. And I call the above "have an exalt". AH
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 17:27:02 GMT
" Why is it that the last ten years have seen a worldwide FALL in temperatures and an overall COOLING of temperatures on Earth?" That's easy to answer if you take a look here! The highest ever recorded temperature was in 1998 - due to the El Nino effect, and if you eliminate that year things look different. "facts" or not?And if you want to see how temperatures have been rising for the last millenium, take a look at the charts here: modern temperature trends
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2009 6:28:15 GMT
Motorist - Alpha - I'm actually interested in your claims, but can you give me some links - preferably serious scientific ones?
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Post by trubble on Apr 12, 2009 16:00:29 GMT
" Why is it that the last ten years have seen a worldwide FALL in temperatures and an overall COOLING of temperatures on Earth?" That's easy to answer if you take a look here! The highest ever recorded temperature was in 1998 - due to the El Nino effect, and if you eliminate that year things look different. "facts" or not?And if you want to see how temperatures have been rising for the last millenium, take a look at the charts here: modern temperature trendsGreat links and good points, skylark. I like this list: According to the Met Office's HadCRUT3 temperature series - the 10 warmest years ever recorded (ie since 1850) are ranked as follows:
1. 1998 2. 2005 3. 2003 4. 2002 5. 2004 6. 2006 7. 2007 8. 2001 9. 1997 10. 2008.oooh brrr, we are cooling down alright...
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 12, 2009 16:08:49 GMT
Motorist - Alpha - I'm actually interested in your claims, but can you give me some links - preferably serious scientific ones? You got tons of links pointing to global warming throughout the entire solar system a while ago. BTW, this planet has gone through stages of being far cooler and far hotter than it is today...no cars or factories were responsible for that. If you want an unchanging rock-stable climate, go to a dead world like the moon or something. This world is alive and will go through many fluctuations and changes before the Sun eventually uses up it's fuel, turns into a red giant and consumes us. AH
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 12, 2009 16:11:37 GMT
According to the Met Office's HadCRUT3 temperature series - the 10 warmest years ever recorded (ie since 1850) are ranked as follows:
Such dishonesty and sneakiness from these people - 1850 indeed! This world is 4.5 BILLION years old. Let's see a full record of it's tempretures over it's entire lifespan before leaping to scare-mongering conclusions eh?
AH
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Post by trubble on Apr 12, 2009 16:20:15 GMT
There's not really a way of measuring these things accurately as well you know but given what we know and allowing for limitations - that list is not a lie.
So...
what's your point?
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 12, 2009 16:24:06 GMT
My point is, if you go to the doctors with two broken legs and you insides hanging out and he says...
"well Ms Trubb, according to my records that stretch back 2 seconds, there is nothing wrong with you, you lazy malingerer..."
...You will not believe him, you will expect the diagnosis to be made on a bit more than a minuscule, minute snapshot of your entire life span.
Thats what my point is.
AH
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Post by trubble on Apr 12, 2009 16:31:46 GMT
lol that analogy doesn't make sense, you nutcase. But anyways - that list is not the basis of diagnosis, it's just The List of Truth.
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Post by trubble on Apr 12, 2009 16:34:58 GMT
Like I said, anyone who believes that CO2 or other human activitiy is causing 'global warming' has to answer the following questions (and so far, none of them have): 1 Why were temperatures between 1100-1500 AD HOTTER than they are today? 2 Why is there clear evidence of global warming on Mars, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto? 3 Why is it that the HOTTEST years of the 20th century also coincided with the LOWEST period of CO2 emissions? 4 Why is it that during the 1960s and 1970s scientists were convinced that we were about to enter a new Ice Age? 5 Why is i that the last ten years have seen a worldwide FALL in temperatures and an overall COOLING of temperatures on Earth? What do you mean? It's a steady climb over all - are you suggesting that 'warming' is instantaneous?
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 12, 2009 16:38:47 GMT
It makes perfect sense if you read it as "Try looking at the big picture, the full picture and all the facts", instead of the scare mongering MMGW propaganda www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.htmlIt's been hotter in the past and cooler in the past....yet there were no cars etc...please explain. AH
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 12, 2009 16:41:48 GMT
Hmmm...no cars, plenty of fluctuations... Bigger picture FTW!!! AH
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Post by trubble on Apr 12, 2009 16:42:27 GMT
Like I said, anyone who believes that CO2 or other human activitiy is causing 'global warming' has to answer the following questions (and so far, none of them have): 1 Why were temperatures between 1100-1500 AD HOTTER than they are today? 2 Why is there clear evidence of global warming on Mars, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto? 3 Why is it that the HOTTEST years of the 20th century also coincided with the LOWEST period of CO2 emissions? 4 Why is it that during the 1960s and 1970s scientists were convinced that we were about to enter a new Ice Age? 5 Why is i that the last ten years have seen a worldwide FALL in temperatures and an overall COOLING of temperatures on Earth? 4 Why is it that during the 1960s and 1970s scientists were convinced that we were about to enter a new Ice Age?Perhaps that's a red herring question. Perhaps they weren't convinced! There's an argument against here: Was an imminent Ice Age predicted in the '70's? No
There are a lot of links there and I am flicking through them but it suggests that there was controversy and misquoting at the time ans since and that this ice-age prediction was not serious or at least as serious as you make out.
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Post by trubble on Apr 12, 2009 16:42:51 GMT
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 12, 2009 16:44:34 GMT
The idea that man-made pollution is responsible for global warming is not supported by historical fact. The period known as the Holocene Maximum is a good example-- so-named because it was the hottest period in human history. The interesting thing is this period occurred approximately 7500 to 4000 years B.P. (before present)-- long before humans invented industrial pollution.That pesky bigger picture again...damn those scientific types who won't just settle for soundbites and "favourable" snap-shots! AH
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 12, 2009 16:46:17 GMT
Don't make me go for 8000x2000 pixels Trubb, I warn you, you will have to view the other half in your neighbours living room!!! AH
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Post by trubble on Apr 12, 2009 16:47:04 GMT
LOL
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Post by trubble on Apr 12, 2009 16:55:35 GMT
Like I said, anyone who believes that CO2 or other human activitiy is causing 'global warming' has to answer the following questions (and so far, none of them have): 1 Why were temperatures between 1100-1500 AD HOTTER than they are today? 2 Why is there clear evidence of global warming on Mars, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto? 3 Why is it that the HOTTEST years of the 20th century also coincided with the LOWEST period of CO2 emissions? 4 Why is it that during the 1960s and 1970s scientists were convinced that we were about to enter a new Ice Age? 5 Why is i that the last ten years have seen a worldwide FALL in temperatures and an overall COOLING of temperatures on Earth? Have they? According to the Met Office's HadCRUT3 temperature series - the 10 warmest years ever recorded (ie since 1850) are ranked as follows: 1. 1998 2. 2005 3. 2003 4. 2002 5. 2004 6. 2006 7. 2007 8. 2001 9. 1997 10. 2008.
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Apr 12, 2009 16:58:09 GMT
The titchy blink of a gnats eye picture again.
Explain the Holocene Maximum please (that was around 6000 years ago, long before nasty cars 'n stuff).
AH
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Post by trubble on Apr 12, 2009 17:00:18 GMT
The idea that man-made pollution is responsible for global warming is not supported by historical fact. The period known as the Holocene Maximum is a good example-- so-named because it was the hottest period in human history. The interesting thing is this period occurred approximately 7500 to 4000 years B.P. (before present)-- long before humans invented industrial pollution.That pesky bigger picture again...damn those scientific types who won't just settle for soundbites and "favourable" snap-shots! AH No one is suggesting that the earth does not change either by slow incremental changes in the universe or by sudden changes from events such as meteor crashes wiping out dinosaurs etc. The suggestion is merely that this current change is being aided by human activity and that this current change will be detrimental to our current living situation and that if there is a chance that we can alter what we are doing to rescue ourselves then we should do so.
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