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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 26, 2011 7:13:18 GMT
I heard on npr radio that 60% of pregnancies among African Americans end with abortion. Those opposed to the billboard were claiming that the message was racist. Pro-Life Billboard Removed After Threatsnation.foxnews.com/abortion/2011/02/25/nyc-caves-sharpton-removes-pro-life-billboard QUOTE: New Yorkers don’t have any problem with giant billboards featuring half-naked women or men wearing Speedos. But a billboard with a pro-life message has drawn so much outrage, the advertising company that erected it — is taking it down. The ad showed a black girl along with the tagline: “The most dangerous place for an African-American is in the womb.” The billboard especially concerned Tricia Fraser. It was her six-year-old daughter in the ad — and she said that no asked her permission. “I would never endorse something like that,” Fraser told WNYW. “Especially with my child’s image.” She had taken her daughter to a modeling agency and the photos were apparently used from stock images. The pro-life group, Life Always, said the billboard’s message is directed at Planned Parenthood and was part of a national campaign tied to Black History Month. The group accused Planned Parenthood of targeting minority neighborhoods. Planned Parenthood disputed that notion and called the advertisement, a “condescending effort to stigmatize and shame African-American women.” UPDATE: The general manager of Lamar Advertising New York told The New York times the pro-life billboard was removed because of threats. Peter Costanza told the newspaper that someone came into the restaurant housed in the building where the billboard was posted and began harassing the staff. Costanza said he didn't want any violence so he took down the banner - as a safety measure. Read their report here.
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Post by june on Feb 26, 2011 11:00:24 GMT
I don't get why they need to advertise, it's not like an ad will change anyones mind. The money would be better spent on sex ed and trying to halt unplanned pregnancies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 18:46:22 GMT
I'm not even sure who is accusing whom of what.
The anti abortion gang seems to be accusing the Planned Parenthood mod of targeting Afro Americans, who are saying the anti abortion lot are doing the same, and in the middle are the family of the little girl pictured in the psoter, who have every right to feel hopping mad.
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 26, 2011 20:28:30 GMT
I am pro-life but I hate the nastiness of some people on both sides of the abortion debate.
I've found it more vicious than even some of the mudslinging between pros and antis when it comes to capital punishment or even some of the nonsense between racists and antiracists.
From a purely personal point of view, I DID find the billboard advert dangerously bordering on racism but then I'm probably ultrasesensitive on that issue anyway.
Other than that I can't see why there can't be an intelligent and civilised debate between the two sides.
How many pro-choicers realise that the Roe of Roe v Wade has now BECOME a pro-lifer, for instance?
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Post by Synonym on Feb 27, 2011 17:04:24 GMT
I can't see any inherent racism in that ad. Is it the ad or the maker's motivation that is meant to be racist.
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Post by Lauren on Jul 12, 2011 18:13:41 GMT
I can't see any inherent racism in that ad. Is it the ad or the maker's motivation that is meant to be racist. Women of every racial background have abortions, however they specifically targeted African Americans. That could be considered racist. Now, if billboards like that were showing every racial background, then its not targeting a specific group.
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Post by Synonym on Jul 12, 2011 20:47:52 GMT
#5 Perhaps there isn't as high an abortion rate amongst other groups?
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Post by sadie1263 on Jul 12, 2011 22:14:30 GMT
I don't get why they need to advertise, it's not like an ad will change anyones mind. The money would be better spent on sex ed and trying to halt unplanned pregnancies. OMG!!! So true!!!!! Once they are pregnant you are past the problem!!! I say this all the time! All these idiots that don't want sex ed taught in schools....that don't believe their children aren't having sex should be smacked around!
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Post by sadie1263 on Jul 12, 2011 22:15:46 GMT
#5 Perhaps there isn't as high an abortion rate amongst other groups? If they are stating a fact I don't see how it is racist either! But maybe it's better if they don't talk about the actual problem and focus on idiotic stuff!
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Post by Lauren on Jul 13, 2011 4:21:49 GMT
#5 Perhaps there isn't as high an abortion rate amongst other groups? Latinos are the second highest for abortion rates, after African Americans. I don't see an advertisement about Latinos like this one. It's still targeting one specific group. Also, look at the wording - 'the most dangerous place for an African American' - it's implying that African Americans generally live in dangerous places (the womb being the worst, and after that it's still bad but not as bad as the womb). They are associating harm, poverty, recklessness and all the words that can be tied in with danger into one particular group.
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2011 7:15:29 GMT
...In the 41 areas for which race was adequately reported, approximately 55% of women who obtained legal induced abortions were known to be white, 35% were black, and 7% were of other races; for 3% of the women, race was unknown. The abortion ratio for black women (503 per 1,000 live births) was 3.0 times the ratio for white women (167 per 1,000 live births). Additionally, the abortion ratio for women of other races (329 per 1,000 live births) was 2.0 times the ratio for white women. The abortion rate for black women (30 per 1,000 women) was 3.1 times the rate for white women (10 per 1,000 women), whereas the abortion rate for women of other races (22 per 1,000 women) was 2.2 times the rate for white women.
Twenty-nine states, the District of Columbia, and New York City reported adequate data** concerning the ethnicity of women who obtained legal induced abortions. The percentage of abortions known to have been obtained by Hispanic women in these reporting areas was 17% overall and ranged from <0.1% in Kentucky to 46% in New Mexico. For Hispanic women in these reporting areas, the abortion ratio was 225 per 1,000 live births. The abortion rate for Hispanic women was 16 abortions per 1,000 women...
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2011 7:59:54 GMT
If they are stating a fact I don't see how it is racist either! But what fact are they stating? The message on the billboard accepts without question that every abortion is in fact killing a person. And if you accept that every foetus is a person, even the lesser number of pregnancies terminated by white and Latino women would pose a greater 'danger' for people of those communities than any faced by a child once it is born. So even on those grounds, singling out African Americans is dubious.
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Post by Synonym on Jul 13, 2011 15:22:06 GMT
Jean, white women may have more abortions but only because they are the numerical majority. As a proportion the number of unborn children who get aborted may be higher in other groups.
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2011 16:41:08 GMT
Jean, white women may have more abortions but only because they are the numerical majority. As a proportion the number of unborn children who get aborted may be higher in other groups. I'm aware that the proportion of abortions in other groups is lower, Octopus. But what I am saying is even this lower proportion among white or Latino women is still high enough to make abortion the greatest danger to the children of those women, too- but only if you regard every foetus as a full human being.
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Post by Synonym on Jul 13, 2011 17:42:04 GMT
For the sake of argument if 100 out of a total of 100,000 women from group A have abortions then the chance of a foetus in that group being terminated is 1 in a 1,000. If 600 out of a total of 1,000 women from group B have abortions then for a foetus from group B the chance is 3 in 5.
Now you could just campaign generally without reference to any figures, but perhaps they feel that figures can harm or aid their efforts, and they couldn't have used the 60% figure when considering all foetus; the average between the two groups put together would be 0.7%. Doesn't have the same impact as 60%.
P.S. The poster shown at the top of the page does not use the word 'person'.
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2011 17:53:37 GMT
For the sake of argument... Look at the figures in my link, synonym The differences between the groups aren't as great as the ones you invent. Doesn't 'an African American' imply 'an African American (person)'?
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Post by Synonym on Jul 13, 2011 17:58:09 GMT
I'm sure the figures are different than the ones I invented, but I still suspect that the attention-grabbing 60% would still nevertheless diminish to a much less 'impressive' figure if all women are considered.
Or an African-American foetus.
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2011 18:51:37 GMT
It might be less impressive, but at least it wouldn't be racist.
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Post by Synonym on Jul 13, 2011 21:15:06 GMT
But why is it racist to target high-risk groups?
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Post by jean on Jul 13, 2011 21:21:12 GMT
Because it isn't 'risk' we're talking about, exactly. It's actually women making decisions.
And the the chance of being aborted, if you're a foetus, are not so much greater if you're African American than if you belong to some other racial group.
And in any case, the figures might be more 'imnpressive' (your word) if the advertiser stuck to the highest scoring group, but then the others might pay no attention at all.
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