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Post by riotgrrl on Aug 31, 2010 7:16:22 GMT
Bushadmirer, how do you know they're 'terrorists' if they haven't been put on trial?
It was well documented that, in Afghanistan, old scores were settled by crafty Afghans pointing out their enemies to the Americans as 'terrorists' when they weren't. The Americans did not investigate in Afghanistan, they just arrested them and detained them without trial.
Gitmo is a stain on America's honour. And only traitors like you support something which so outrageously degrades American values.
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Post by riotgrrl on Aug 31, 2010 7:16:50 GMT
P.S. You might not think you are a traitor, but it seems in your way of thought that labelling someone as something automatically makes it so, so deal with it.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Aug 31, 2010 22:24:21 GMT
C'mon Riotgrrl, you know better than that. Trials would not tell us anything about enemy combatants captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan. Almost every case would be dismissed for lack of evidence.
They were there. They were armed. They were shooting at our troops. They were captured. That's proof enough for me and should be for you too.
I really don't give a rat's ass about the rights of these terrorsts. But I do care about the innocent people who will suffer at their hand if they are released. Those news articles I referenced gives a clear picture of what happens when we release them.
Simple solution. Don't release them.
The priority should not be to protect the rare innocent man in Guantanamo (assuming there is one). The priority should be protecting society from these terrorists. The margin of error is dramatically reduced if we don't release them. Ever.
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Post by riotgrrl on Aug 31, 2010 22:36:12 GMT
They were there. They were armed. They were shooting at our troops. They were captured. That's proof enough for me and should be for you too. What rubbish. I'd need to check on the proportion but a goodly number were arrested on the say-so of other Afghans. Not so many arrested mid-combat. And, those who WERE captured mid-combat were, surely, prisoners of war. The war on terror. They were terrorists you say in the war on terror. As prisoners of war the Geneva convention applies. You can't wriggle out of this one. Gitmo is unjustifiable in any nation, civilised or not. And the latest consequence is that judges will not convict its prisoners because the rule of law has not been followed. Your position is not arguable from any principle other than that age old (and pointless one) of 'because I say so'.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Aug 31, 2010 23:54:11 GMT
Why are you so devoted to terrorists Riotgrrl?
Are you attracted to Muslim Jihadists?
They should have no rights. Zero, nada, zilch.
The best possible outcome would be for them to rot forever in Guantanamo. The only sensible alternative would be to execute them. The one unthinkable and unacceptable option would be to release them. Ever.
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Post by riotgrrl on Sept 1, 2010 7:41:57 GMT
Why are you so devoted to terrorists Riotgrrl? Are you attracted to Muslim Jihadists? They should have no rights. Zero, nada, zilch. The best possible outcome would be for them to rot forever in Guantanamo. The only sensible alternative would be to execute them. The one unthinkable and unacceptable option would be to release them. Ever. My, you really addressed my arguments and nailed them there Bushadmirer. Well done.
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Post by mouse on Sept 1, 2010 9:21:03 GMT
they are not prisoners of war in any acepted sense as they belong to no state...are not employed by a state....nor are they the nationals of any one state...nor do they wear a recognisable uniform ..had this been ww1 they could and would have been shot out of hand as fighters not wearing uniform were the term """war on terror""is as empty a term as the war on on drugs.....the geneva convention does not apply nor do normal diplomatic routes as it is not a war against a country..nor is it a war more a series of battles nor do they[taliban fighters] acept or abide by the rules of the geneva convention...... but gitmo was a huge mistake...
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Post by aubrey on Sept 1, 2010 16:08:03 GMT
We''re supposed to be the goodies here, mouse - whether the othger lot stick to the law is irrelevent, as long as we do.
The purpose of Gitmo seems to have been to create resentment across the world and so recruit new terrorists and keep the war against terror (along with the temporary suspensions of the constitution) going for as long as possible. Something similar is going on is 1984.
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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 9, 2010 15:12:05 GMT
If someone is going to be a SEX LIAR for years then what does that say about him even POSSIBLY lying in OTHER areas? It's disgusting! He dissembled. You think dissembling in a politician is surprising? Seriously? I doubt any politician on the planet would come up to your standards. Indeed, Jesus would struggle. Jesus was and is God and was never in politics! He said: "My kingdom isn't of this world". I may not have His words exactly right, but that's the gist of it. I don't expect ANY politican or person to be like Jesus! Jesus was the only person who never sinned. That isn't going to happen with anyone else! However, there ARE a few politicians that are consistent, have morals, etc.: Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Bob Barr, Dennis Kucinich, Alan Grayson, Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin. I've voted for Bob Barr and Ralph Nader in past elections. I also voted for Ross Perot and forgot to add him to this list. Hopefully there's others out there! People get EXACTLY what they deserve when they vote for ###***. vdare.com/baldwin/080415_voting.htm -rips up the "voting for the lesser of 2 evils" ###*** that has put the US in the horrible place it's in! www.activistpost.com/2010/07/can-populists-break-false-left-right.html -2 party system in US is unfair and corrupt www.infowars.com/obama-pushes-for-renewal-of-warrantless-spying-on-americans/ -here's 1 example of the rampant evil going on that people literally voted FOR! This phony "Savior" Obama said by his vote it's OK for us to be spied on! And this was KNOWN WAY BEFORE THE 2008 ELECTION! I found it out way before and was outraged! This is only 1 example! People LITERALLY VOTED for someone who said with his vote it's OK for us to be illegally spied on! Do you SEE what compromise does? It lets you get spied on! Plus many other abuses. Do you see the pattern for at LEAST the past 30 years in the US? No matter which party has the majority the evils keep going! Doesn't that tell you something? Overall, things are worse. Yes, Obama's done a few good things! But, he's done way MORE evil things! I'm sorry, but I can't support anyone who votes for something so evil as to say it's OK to spy on us! NEVER! People online have laughed at me for listing the few reasons I wouldn't vote for Dubya in 2000. But, by erring on the side of caution I avoided supporting with ANY vote Dubya's evils! Better safe than sorry!
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