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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 29, 2010 6:09:45 GMT
www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/10/26/130829358/are-near-death-experiences-real QUOTE: Are Near Death Experiences Real?Millions of people report heading down a tunnel towards a light when near death. At 18 hospitals in Britain and the United States there are pictures hanging in Emergency Rooms. But they're facing up. Only visible from near the ceiling. The reason? To see if out of body, near death experiences actually happen. People who have these near-death experiences often describe leaving their bodies and watching themselves being resuscitated from above, but verifying such accounts is difficult. The images would be visible only to people who had done that. "We've added these images as objective markers," says Sam Parnia, a critical-care physician and lead investigator of the study, which hopes to include 1,500 resuscitated patients. Dr. Parnia declined to say whether any have accurately described the images so far, but says he hopes to report preliminary results next year. Some 15 million Americans have had near death experiences. Dr. Parnia, an assistant professor at the State University of New York, Stony Brook, also wants to see if consciousness is separate from the brain, and what happens to it as the brain shuts down. The simplicity of the study is the best part to me, if they say they're floating above their body, let's see what they can see. Pretty elegant.
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Post by aubrey on Oct 31, 2010 11:04:04 GMT
They're real, in that they are experienced. Not in what they are interpreted as. Dr Susan Blackmore has had a message on top of her fridge for years for any out of bodyers that happen to be passing. No one's seen it yet. She's written a book about NDEs called Dying to Live: Near-Death Experiences, in which she says that they're just the way the brain shuts down at death (this shutting down seems to me to be an accidental kindness of biology, since it doesn't seem to serve any real biological need, except maybe not to alarm the people about you). This is her web site. I think she's wonderful.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 2, 2010 21:22:55 GMT
They're real, in that they are experienced. Not in what they are interpreted as. Dr Susan Blackmore has had a message on top of her fridge for years for any out of bodyers that happen to be passing. No one's seen it yet. She's written a book about NDEs called Dying to Live: Near-Death Experiences, in which she says that they're just the way the brain shuts down at death (this shutting down seems to me to be an accidental kindness of biology, since it doesn't seem to serve any real biological need, except maybe not to alarm the people about you). This is her web site. I think she's wonderful. Still this tunnel of light vision is rather intriguing.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Nov 8, 2010 3:34:55 GMT
They're real, in that they are experienced. Not in what they are interpreted as. Dr Susan Blackmore has had a message on top of her fridge for years for any out of bodyers that happen to be passing. No one's seen it yet. She's written a book about NDEs called Dying to Live: Near-Death Experiences, in which she says that they're just the way the brain shuts down at death (this shutting down seems to me to be an accidental kindness of biology, since it doesn't seem to serve any real biological need, except maybe not to alarm the people about you). This is her web site. I think she's wonderful. Still this tunnel of light vision is rather intriguing.Yes, I absolutely believe in this kind of thing, and do believe that they are real! Good topic!
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Post by june on Nov 9, 2010 20:23:02 GMT
I don't believe there is a guiding light and staircases leading you to heaven. You die that's it.
However, I think your body will do all sorts of wonderful things to protect your mind and physical form during trauma.
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Post by jollyroger on Nov 9, 2010 20:34:13 GMT
I don't believe there is a guiding light and staircases leading you to heaven. You die that's it. However, I think your body will do all sorts of wonderful things to protect your mind and physical form during trauma. Remind me never to drink gin with you! My children go to a religious school, my wife's wishes not mine. I really want to believe as it brings such comfort and security to those who do. However, I am not convinced. That said, it does seem to be a very common experience if you speak to those who work in the medical profession.
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Post by june on Nov 9, 2010 21:27:13 GMT
I don't believe there is a guiding light and staircases leading you to heaven. You die that's it. However, I think your body will do all sorts of wonderful things to protect your mind and physical form during trauma. Remind me never to drink gin with you! My children go to a religious school, my wife's wishes not mine. I really want to believe as it brings such comfort and security to those who do. However, I am not convinced. That said, it does seem to be a very common experience if you speak to those who work in the medical profession. Oh I am very jolly - so bring on the gin! ;D I just apply sense and reason - death like life is all part of the natural cycle. Only humans make gin and tonic though
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 9, 2010 22:51:15 GMT
My father is a doctor and has had experience with dying patients. He said too that the believers die easier and more peacefully than cynics and non-believers. Believers not only describe this inner light, but describe hearing soothing music as well.
I think there's something to be said about those, who believe in some spiritual meaning, despite the suffering, and those who prefer to depend on stronger pain killers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 6:55:30 GMT
That doesn't surprise me, Anna. But when your father speaks of "believers" I ask : believers in what?
I would be very surprised if that inner light is reserved for Christians; I dare say it is shared by everyone who believes in an afterlife. No doubt for some, the "soothing music" is the sound of "Om"
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Nov 10, 2010 11:38:26 GMT
That doesn't surprise me, Anna. But when your father speaks of "believers" I ask : believers in what? I would be very surprised if that inner light is reserved for Christians; I dare say it is shared by everyone who believes in an afterlife. No doubt for some, the "soothing music" is the sound of "Om" I more or less agree! It's hard to discribe this with words.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 12:09:05 GMT
But I wonder how many people claim to have levitated and observed themselves from above - which is what this experiment seems to be about. I would be surprised if such claims are common, so the chances of someone with such an experience having been in one of these operating theatres seem small.
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Post by mikemarshall on Nov 10, 2010 18:36:17 GMT
Out of the body experiences (OOBEs) are NOT the same thing as near death experiences (NDEs).
They are actually surprisingly common.
I have actually experienced them myself - and I'm NOT a religious believer!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 18:42:35 GMT
Ooh...tell us more!
The rather alarming scenario in teh OP is of people who see themselves being resuscitated, so I suppose that is a OOOBE and a NDE?
Anyway, it won't work unless people report them soon after the event. Unlesss of course all patients are quizzed when they come round: "you didn't happen to remember floating to the ceiling, did you madam?"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2011 16:21:55 GMT
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Post by pumpkinpie on Feb 25, 2011 0:34:23 GMT
My father is a doctor and has had experience with dying patients. He said too that the believers die easier and more peacefully than cynics and non-believers. Believers not only describe this inner light, but describe hearing soothing music as well.
I think there's something to be said about those, who believe in some spiritual meaning, despite the suffering, and those who prefer to depend on stronger pain killers. Well, yes- if they are non believers, they more than likely would not experience seeing this light and having a near death experience because they may not be heading to Heaven... Not sure if atheists make it to Heaven or not. I hope so for some, because I do have some friends who are atheists, but that is up to them and God.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Feb 25, 2011 0:38:03 GMT
Out of the body experiences (OOBEs) are NOT the same thing as near death experiences (NDEs). They are actually surprisingly common. I have actually experienced them myself - and I'm NOT a religious believer! What is an OOBE and how do you explain such an experience?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 11, 2011 3:09:53 GMT
Out of the body experiences (OOBEs) are NOT the same thing as near death experiences (NDEs). They are actually surprisingly common. I have actually experienced them myself - and I'm NOT a religious believer! What is an OOBE and how do you explain such an experience? Hi Pumpkinpie! I hope Mike doesn't mind me answering. OOBEs = Out of the Body Experiences, sometimes called "Astral Projection".
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Post by maggie on Mar 12, 2011 17:23:41 GMT
An elderly lady told me, some time ago, that she was with her sister when she died. She was holding her hand. As she died, she called out to their mother.
This lady told me she felt very comforted when she heard that.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Mar 14, 2011 2:42:47 GMT
An elderly lady told me, some time ago, that she was with her sister when she died. She was holding her hand. As she died, she called out to their mother. This lady told me she felt very comforted when she heard that. Yes, it is always nice to here these types of occurances.
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Post by everso on Mar 14, 2011 18:36:00 GMT
An elderly lady told me, some time ago, that she was with her sister when she died. She was holding her hand. As she died, she called out to their mother. This lady told me she felt very comforted when she heard that. Maggie, my mum did the same. But she was on morphine at the time and I think she was hallucinating.
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