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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 23, 2010 6:49:19 GMT
More PC melting pot madness! www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/22/civil-rights-complaint-filed-christian-roommate-advertisement/?test=latestnews QUOTE: Michigan Woman Faces Civil Rights Complaint for Seeking a Christian RoommatePublished October 22, 2010 A civil rights complaint has been filed against a woman in Grand Rapids, Mich., who posted an advertisement at her church last July seeking a Christian roommate. The ad "expresses an illegal preference for a Christian roommate, thus excluding people of other faiths,” according to the complaint filed by the Fair Housing Center of West Michigan. "It's a violation to make, print or publish a discriminatory statement," Executive Director Nancy Haynes told Fox News. "There are no exemptions to that." Haynes said the unnamed 31-year-old woman’s case was turned over to the Michigan Department of Civil Rights. Depending on the outcome of the case, she said, the woman could face several hundreds of dollars in fines and “fair housing training so it doesn’t happen again.” Harold Core, director of public affairs with the Michigan Department of Civil Rights, told the Grand Rapids Press that the Fair Housing Act prevents people from publishing an advertisement stating their preference of religion, race or handicap with respect to the sale or rental of a dwelling. "It's really difficult to say at this point what could potentially happen," he told the newspaper, noting that there are exemptions in the law for gender when there is a shared living space. But Joel Oster, an attorney with the Alliance Defense Fund, which is representing the woman free of charge, describes the case as "outrageous." "Clearly this woman has a right to pick and choose who she wants to live with," he said. "Christians shouldn't live in fear of being punished by the government for being Christians. It is completely absurd to try to penalize a single Christian woman for privately seeking a Christian roommate at church -- an obviously legal and constitutionally protected activity." Haynes said the person who filed the initial complaint saw the ad on the church bulletin board and contacted the local fair housing organization. The ad included the words, "Christian roommate wanted," along with the woman's contact information. Had the ad not included the word "Christian," Haynes said, it would not have been illegal. "If you read it and you were not Christian, would you not feel welcome to rent there?" Haynes asked. Oster said he hopes the case will eventually be dropped and that he's sent a letter to the state asking the authorities to dismiss the case as groundless. "The First Amendment guarantees us Freedom of Religion," he said. "And we have the right to live with someone of the same faith. The Michigan Department of Civil Rights is denying her rights by pursuing this complaint." But Haynes said officials plan on pursuing the matter. "We want to make sure it doesn't happen again," she said.
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Post by Synonym on Oct 23, 2010 6:52:40 GMT
"It's a violation to make, print or publish a discriminatory statement," Executive Director Nancy Haynes told Fox News. "There are no exemptions to that."
Does that mean that one similarly isn't allowed to advertise for a clean and tidy roomate, a considerate roommate, or roomate of the same gender.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 23, 2010 7:00:52 GMT
"It's a violation to make, print or publish a discriminatory statement," Executive Director Nancy Haynes told Fox News. "There are no exemptions to that."Does that mean that one similarly isn't allowed to advertise for a clean and tidy roomate, a considerate roommate, or roomate of the same gender. Hi Octopus! I suppose it's up to the PC police on that. The grand inquisitrice Nancy Haynes and her cohorts would abruptly cease to burden tax payers, if i were in charge there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2010 21:14:53 GMT
The discrimination laws are usually relaxed for accommodation shares. I'm pretty sure that in England you CAN specify gender, along with things like age, working status...so why not religion?
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Post by beez0811 on Oct 24, 2010 4:56:20 GMT
It was posted inside of a Christian church. If the ad was posted at a local public library, it would be a different story. The lady probably thought that since this is a church, she might find someone that meets her requirements for a roomie.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 24, 2010 5:31:07 GMT
This kind of outrageous interference into the private lives of citizens via government is something that i could have expected from the Soviet Union!news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978627467 QUOTE: Can Local Government Choose Your Roommate?October 23, 2010 12:20 PM EDT Seeking someone to share expenses for an apartment is a time honored tradition for singles. With the downturn in the present economy and the rise in the cost of living it is becoming prudent to share essential financial burdens. In Grand Rapids, MI this week, a woman posted an advertisement on her churches bulletin board looking for a roommate. She is now facing charges of a civil rights violation by the Michigan Department of Civil Rights. Her crime was adding these words, “Christian roommate wanted.” The director of the Michigan Department of Civil Rights told the local press that referencing a preference of religion, gender and handicap when renting is a violation of the Fair Housing Act. This may be true of renting an empty dwelling, however, it seems a stretch to apply this standard when you are inviting someone into your home. What about the woman’s civil liberties? This woman is looking for someone who shares her faith to stay in her home. Would the same standard be applied if she had posted “female roommate wanted?” The discrimination seems to be against the woman’s faith. The precedent set by this will effect a persons religious liberty. This assumes that the choice of a roommate is precluded by government fiat. You cannot use law to force compatibility anymore than you can use it to force a belief system. The woman’s case is being handled for free by the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian organization that defends Christian liberties. Her attorneys sent a letter to Michigan authorities requesting the matter be dropped. However, it appears for the moment, the case will move forward.
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Post by riotgrrl on Oct 24, 2010 12:24:21 GMT
It's a shame that everything gets so polarised, with the lawyers defending the woman coming from religious groups and those opposing her coming from other politically motivated groups.
Of course one should be able to advertise for a roomate who shares one's beliefs and values. For example, 'non-smokers only' or 'must enjoy partying' or whatever. If you have to live with a stranger, it seems only fair that you should be able to make sure that you will be compatible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2010 7:12:23 GMT
Well put, Riot. As someone who shared various houses for about nine years, I know very well that all applicants are well vetted by the owner/tenant who will spend some time chatting to them. The vetting is of course mutual, and the potential lodger is also wise to ask a fair few personal questions before moving in.
Someone I know invited her brother to stay for a few weeks. He was heavily into a kind of spiritual buddhism, and she was woken every morning with the sound of chanting from the bathroom. I'd be equally wary of a guitar-carrying Christian, though; one needs to cover all potential hazards!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 25, 2010 22:59:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 6:12:54 GMT
Yes, the law specifically allows sharers to choose a gender preference, but doesn't make any other exemptions. Silly, because specifying narrow criteria also helps potential room-mates know what sort of person they would be living with. Generally I find Christian people charming, but I'd steer clear of someone who was't prepared to consider people of other faiths. Apart from anything else, the range of beliefs in the church is so broad there is plenty of room for conflict; she might be better off with an easy going agnostic. An evangelical woman of my acquaintance doesn't even consider Roman Cathlolics to be Christians! But I defend her right to be silly in her choice of lodger to the hilt. As an aside, the group bringing the action are claiming to have received death threats. www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=136211&catid=14
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 26, 2010 8:10:47 GMT
Yes, the law specifically allows sharers to choose a gender preference, but doesn't make any other exemptions. Silly, because specifying narrow criteria also helps potential room-mates know what sort of person they would be living with. Generally I find Christian people charming, but I'd steer clear of someone who was't prepared to consider people of other faiths. Apart from anything else, the range of beliefs in the church is so broad there is plenty of room for conflict; she might be better off with an easy going agnostic. An evangelical woman of my acquaintance doesn't even consider Roman Cathlolics to be Christians! But I defend her right to be silly in her choice of lodger to the hilt. As an aside, the group bringing the action are claiming to have received death threats. www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=136211&catid=14 Hi SkyLark! I stand by my claim that this is government bigotry and hypocrisy! This Christian lady is being persecuted for putting this ad up in her Christian church! Ridiculous!
Here we have an entire website for roommates from India! www.indianroommates.in/Detroit
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 10:45:05 GMT
You describe this as government bigotry, but I see that the action has been started by the Fair Housing Center of Michigan. Is it an autnomous body or has it taken advice fron a higher authority?
Obviusly not THE highest authority, I think...that would be odd indeed!
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Post by Wonder Woman on Oct 26, 2010 14:28:53 GMT
Would it be allowed, I wonder to describe herself?
IE: young, female, athletic, christian, loves reading, enjoys arts and crafts... seeking a like-minded individual as roommate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 17:37:54 GMT
Probably not...and the silly thing is that had she decided to restrict her advertising to churches, that would have been okay too. That may be why the Indian website has got away with it; if none of the adverts mention preferred ethnic origin or religion they are not breaking the letter of the law.
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Post by june on Oct 26, 2010 18:37:05 GMT
One one hand anyone could claim to be a good Christian (whatever that is) and be an obnoxious shit.
On the other, at least people would know to avoid the Jesus freak when looking for a room to rent.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 26, 2010 19:36:23 GMT
Here is a video discussion concerning the ridiculous persecution of this Christian woman. It is also confirms that you can't advertize for sexual orientation, which means the homosexual roommate ad link that i posted is also against the law! Of course minorities have special privileges!
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Post by Wonder Woman on Oct 26, 2010 21:10:34 GMT
Seems to me, PC laws in these circumstances is well, stupid... Makes sense that people want to live with certain types and there's nothing wrong with that, be it a want of someone gay or someone christian or someone green who dances the polka. Also seems like the roommates would get on better if their preferences were known ahead of time.
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Post by june on Oct 26, 2010 22:49:12 GMT
Here is a video discussion concerning the ridiculous persecution of this Christian woman. It is also confirms that you can't advertize for sexual orientation, which means the homosexual roommate ad link that i posted is also against the law! Of course minorities have special prividges! If you are catagorising people to the nth degree then they are all minorities, gays, christrians, vegans whatevers. So, what do you mean by minorities?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 27, 2010 0:31:44 GMT
Here is a video discussion concerning the ridiculous persecution of this Christian woman. It is also confirms that you can't advertize for sexual orientation, which means the homosexual roommate ad link that i posted is also against the law! Of course minorities have special prividges! If you are catagorising people to the nth degree then they are all minorities, gays, christrians, vegans whatevers. So, what do you mean by minorities? True June, every religion, ethicity, etc. can be classified as a minority. It seems the privileged minorities have the status of "victimized minorities", while other minorities have the status of "villified minorities". 50 or a 100 years ago the victims and villains were a lot different than they are today! My wish is that this stupid everchanging PC merry-go-round of the privileged and the vilified be stopped.
The Christian woman to which this thread is dedicated has the RIGHT to advertize for a Christian roommate! The US First Admendment guaranteeing the right to an opinion or here the expression of a preference ( for a roommate ) should triumph over this Marxist intergration mania!
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 28, 2010 13:20:27 GMT
Yes, the law specifically allows sharers to choose a gender preference, but doesn't make any other exemptions. Silly, because specifying narrow criteria also helps potential room-mates know what sort of person they would be living with. Generally I find Christian people charming, but I'd steer clear of someone who was't prepared to consider people of other faiths. Apart from anything else, the range of beliefs in the church is so broad there is plenty of room for conflict; she might be better off with an easy going agnostic. An evangelical woman of my acquaintance doesn't even consider Roman Cathlolics to be Christians! But I defend her right to be silly in her choice of lodger to the hilt. As an aside, the group bringing the action are claiming to have received death threats. www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=136211&catid=14indisputably, deservedly so. no one as abjectly stupid as this trash should be loose among real people
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