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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 27, 2010 18:33:54 GMT
The link also has a video.www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/muskegon_county/No-%27king%27-title-for-transgender-senior QUOTE: Transgender senior can't be king Oakleigh Marshall not allowed to compete for court Updated: Monday, 27 Sep 2010, 1:21 PM EDT By Ken Kolker MUSKEGON, Mich. (WOOD) - Some Mona Shores High School students say administrators stole the homecoming king throne from the rightful winner -- a transgender senior. The controversy is playing out in the school's hallways, and on Facebook. Some classmates believe the crown belongs to Oakleigh Reed -- who was born as Oakleigh Marie, but who now goes as Oakleigh Marshall, or Oak for short. In fact, friends have started a Facebook page, titled, "Oak is My King." "It's the senior class that votes for their representative," Reed said. "What they did was taking away the voice of the senior class." Assistant Superintendent Todd Geerlings said the issue is simple: The ballots gave two choices -- vote for a boy for king and a girl for queen. And, in school records, he said, Oakleigh is still listed as a female. The 17-year-old says the gender struggle has been life-long -- with sports, family and friends, even band camp. After years of counseling, Oakleigh plans a sex change operation at age 18. Already, the school has made concessions. "They let me wear a male tux for band uniform, and they're going to let me wear the male robe and cap for graduation." Teachers, Oakleigh said, use male pronouns. "They call me Oak, and they say, he, him, his," the teen said. Oak, an honor student, campaigned for homecoming king on Facebook -- a one-day campaign. "I just said, 'Vote for me for homecoming king.' I don't see why there's any reasons why someone who's different shouldn't be on court. I thought, 'Hey, why not put myself out there? I have just as much qualifications as anyone else in the school." The campaign took off. "I knew I had a lot of votes because people were telling me in the hallway, 'Hey, I voted for you, I voted for you.'" Oakleigh was overwhelmed by the support of classmates. Then, last Monday, the principal called Oak into her office. "They told me that they took me off because they had to invalidate all of my votes because I'm enrolled at Mona Shores as a female," Oakleigh said. Oakleigh was happy with the support from classmates, but "sometimes it's nice to have something tangible." The teen's mother says she's angry. "He was voted for homecoming king and, according to the votes, he should have been homecoming king, and it's just sad, and it just breaks my heart that all these people all voted and it was taken away, it was completely taken away from him."
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Post by riotgrrl on Sept 27, 2010 18:48:11 GMT
My sympathies are with the boy (and yes, he is a boy) concerned.
The school could perhaps have bent the rules on this one . . I appreciate he is registered as a girl, but if he truly did win a majority of the votes of his classmates, then a bit of compassionate rule-bending could have avoided this blowing up like this.
Gender dysmorphia is a really sad condition. I was at school with a born-female who lived her life as a male from the earliest age. He was never in any doubt, even as a young child, that he was a boy despite his biological gender. Obviously this condition, especially back in the 1970s, was little understood and his family struggled to understand him, although in the end they did accept him just as he was, a boy born with female sexual characteristics.
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Post by june on Sept 27, 2010 18:55:42 GMT
My sympathies are with the boy (and yes, he is a boy) concerned. The school could perhaps have bent the rules on this one . . I appreciate he is registered as a girl, but if he truly did win a majority of the votes of his classmates, then a bit of compassionate rule-bending could have avoided this blowing up like this. Gender dysmorphia is a really sad condition. I was at school with a born-female who lived her life as a male from the earliest age. He was never in any doubt, even as a young child, that he was a boy despite his biological gender. Obviously this condition, especially back in the 1970s, was little understood and his family struggled to understand him, although in the end they did accept him just as he was, a boy born with female sexual characteristics. Good luck with trying to get that sort of view over to some of the 'black and white' posters here. Sexuality and gender are on a sliding scale. We all know women with the A typical male shape and men with generous hips. It's not a stretch of the imagination to see that by some sad quirk of genetics that a person is born with the wrong genitalia for their mind. Pragmatism is needed more in the world - sadly none was shown here.
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Post by jollyroger on Sept 27, 2010 21:51:29 GMT
Why on earth does the school give a flying one with regard to this? Why on earth does anyone give a flying one. If the school deal with him as a male what difference dos it make if he is homecomming King. I imagine it is done simply to satisfy the uber conservative parents as opposed to what the school or the students want.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 28, 2010 2:43:49 GMT
People like Oakleigh don't have to get surgical alterations to convince me that their identity is male. He can remain homecoming King in my book.
I'm a big fan of these homecoming King and Queen proms and hope they remain in schools. The tendency to eliminate these proms as politically incorrect or too controversial is another bad social omen and loss of culture in my eyes.
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Post by riotgrrl on Sept 28, 2010 8:30:37 GMT
People like Oakleigh don't have to get surgical alterations to convince me that their identity is male. He can remain homecoming King in my book.
I'm a big fan of these homecoming King and Queen proms and hope they remain in schools. The tendency to eliminate these proms as political incorrect or too controversial is another bad social omen and loss of culture in my eyes. Very American thing Anna (culturally). What the heck is 'homecoming' anyway now that I think about it?
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Post by aubrey on Sept 28, 2010 9:34:11 GMT
Going through Doncaster with my mother on a grey morning last year, there were stretch limos and girls with huge dresses everywhere, which were all apparently for a prom. Not right - in Doncaster for Christ's sake.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 29, 2010 3:10:18 GMT
People like Oakleigh don't have to get surgical alterations to convince me that their identity is male. He can remain homecoming King in my book.
I'm a big fan of these homecoming King and Queen proms and hope they remain in schools. The tendency to eliminate these proms as political incorrect or too controversial is another bad social omen and loss of culture in my eyes. Very American thing Anna (culturally). What the heck is 'homecoming' anyway now that I think about it? Hi Riotgrrl, I guess homecoming refers to the graduation of the students. Germany unfortunately doesn't have homecoming proms either as far as i know.
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Post by riotgrrl on Sept 29, 2010 11:15:53 GMT
Very American thing Anna (culturally). What the heck is 'homecoming' anyway now that I think about it? Hi Riotgrrl, I guess homecoming refers to the graduation of the students. Germany unfortunately doesn't have homecoming proms either as far as i know.But why is it CALLED Homecoming?
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Post by jollyroger on Sept 29, 2010 20:16:39 GMT
Very American thing Anna (culturally). What the heck is 'homecoming' anyway now that I think about it? Hi Riotgrrl, I guess homecoming refers to the graduation of the students. Germany unfortunately doesn't have homecoming proms either as far as i know.Are you an Americn or a German Anna - can't quite work it out from your posts. Doesn't homecomming refer to the historical return to families after boarding school - or am I making that up?
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Post by firedancer on Sept 29, 2010 21:05:33 GMT
Not being anti-American (well perhaps I am - sorry ) but I wish the UK hadn't imported the ghastly school "prom". End of term pix all over the local papers here with loads of sixth formers tarted up in ballgowns or dinner jackets (tuxedos) to look like waxworks from Madame Tussaud's. Haven't seen stuff like that since the days when posh 'gals' came out. I'd better rephrase that in case American posters think I am referring to a mass declaration of Lesbianism - I mean when young upper class ladies were launched into society via expensive society balls - known as "coming out".
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 30, 2010 12:46:09 GMT
Very American thing Anna (culturally). What the heck is 'homecoming' anyway now that I think about it? Hi Riotgrrl, I guess homecoming refers to the graduation of the students. Germany unfortunately doesn't have homecoming proms either as far as i know.actually, homecoming was originally the final home football game. as with everything else, it has been perverted, and sometimes now, homecoming games may be in the middle of the season. the week before the game is homecoming week, with the attendant festivities such as bonfires, pep rallies and so on. the homecoming dance is after the game on friday night
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 30, 2010 12:48:34 GMT
Not being anti-American (well perhaps I am - sorry ) but I wish the UK hadn't imported the ghastly school "prom". End of term pix all over the local papers here with loads of sixth formers tarted up in ballgowns or dinner jackets (tuxedos) to look like waxworks from Madame Tussaud's. Haven't seen stuff like that since the days when posh 'gals' came out. I'd better rephrase that in case American posters think I am referring to a mass declaration of Lesbianism - I mean when young upper class ladies were launched into society via expensive society balls - known as "coming out". that was always referred to here as a debutante ball
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 30, 2010 12:50:18 GMT
i'm waiting for you clowns who think that there is no difference between a king and a queen to stroll up to elizabeth and call her king elizabeth. you do it consistently on here, why not try it in real life and see how it flys?
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Post by aubrey on Sept 30, 2010 13:21:51 GMT
There's loads of Queens round here. Big moustaches some of them have got, as well.
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Post by jollyroger on Sept 30, 2010 18:45:16 GMT
i'm waiting for you clowns who think that there is no difference between a king and a queen to stroll up to elizabeth and call her king elizabeth. you do it consistently on here, why not try it in real life and see how it flys? lol, next time I bump into her in the supermarket I may try it
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Post by june on Sept 30, 2010 19:20:31 GMT
if she had a cock grafted onto her and renamed herself Brian - I'd call her king. Either way she prefers Ma'am
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Post by Synonym on Oct 1, 2010 14:18:37 GMT
Even if transgendered people were allowed to register as the monarch of their inner gender, wouldn't this voting for a 'King and Queen' still be discriminatory against same-sex and polygamous couples?
Perhaps they should just be voting for two representatives of either gender who need not necessarily be a couple and there is no implication that they are.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 5, 2010 4:08:46 GMT
It looks like the political correctness police in the form of the ACLU are interested in intervening here. I can imagine Oakleigh beating a bunch of miserable examples of the male gender as Homecoming King and i can handle that. The ACLU is bad news though!michiganmessenger.com/42228/michigan-transgender-teen-challenging-high-schools-refusal-to-let-him-be-homecoming-king QUOTE: Michigan transgender teen challenging high school’s refusal to let him be homecoming king By Todd A. Heywood 9/28/10 11:55 AM Digg Tweet A Mona Shores teenager is crying foul after administrators in the West Michigan school invalidated the vote of his peers in a race for homecoming king. Oakleigh Reed says he wanted to run for the position because he was as qualified as any other person running. School officials defend their decision, reports NBC 25: Assistant Superintendent Todd Geerlings said the issue is simple: The ballots gave two choices, vote for a boy for king and a girl for queen. In a report Monday night, WOOD TV 8 in Grand Rapids interviewed a school official who claims the district did not violate any nondiscrimination rules by refusing to crown Reed as King. The station first broke the story Sunday night. But Reed says the school has acknowledge his transition to male by addressing him with male pronouns, allowing him to wear the male uniform for band and the male graduation gown. The ACLU of Michigan’s Jay Kaplan had this to say on the issue in an e-mail to Michigan Messenger: We are aware of the situation here and it raises issues as to whether this student is being treated differently by the school district because of his gender identity. Gender identity is not a protected category under our state civil rights laws, nor does Muskegon include it in its anti-discrimination policy. However, discrimination against transgender persons because of gender stereotyping has been found in some cases to be actionable sex or gender discrimination. At any rate, there have been other school districts that have permitted transgender students to serve as Homecoming King or Queen in accordance with the student’s gender identity and expression. It’s disappointing that the Mona Shores School District has decided to take the opposite approach, particularly where previously it has shown sensitivity towards this student, regarding how he is referred to in school (and his ability to wear a male robe at graduation). We hope the district will reconsider its decision. Julie Nemecek, a nationally recognized transgender activist who was fired from the conservative Christian Spring Arbor University after she began her transition, also weighed in on the controversy in an e-mail to Messenger: The point that the school is missing is that gender is determined by the brain and not the genitals. Established case law in the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals says that when the Civil Rights Law of 1964 says “sex” it also means gender. The student was discriminated against for being who he is no less than if the school had said the prom king or queen had to be white. The ACLU has reached out to Reed and requested permission to write a letter to the school district on his behalf, WOOD TV 8 reports. Reed is reportedly considering accepting the offer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 19:21:58 GMT
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