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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 19:29:24 GMT
"to put war totally on the shoulders of the abrahamic religions is a bit thick really and simply untrue" Its every bit as unbelievable as the abrahamic religions. This Abraham dude has a lot to answer for. no its just silly when there is a wealth of information of wars nothing to do with religion and certainly nothing to do with the abrahamic religions and it isnt abraham who is to blame...but the men who came after him old abe was only the icon figure father of his people[so to speak] its also rather arogant to think that only the abrahamic religions are the be all and end all of war....they are not and the be all and end all of religions..they are not they are only a very small part of religions..because of the increases in technology..population increases and new ways of society... and we are dealing with 3 of them their effect has been disproportional...but by no means the entire story....
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 19:35:30 GMT
Just a quick bit of Google found this: Approx (for obvious reasons) 809 million people have died in religious wars. doesnt suprise me in the least...this is from when...to when and what religions one could ask how many have died not in religious wars,,but have died from secullar wars..[ie wars not religion led]..ruwanda is an example...ghengis khans escapades [before islam]...the greek wars...the chinese wars....more recently the chinese/japanese war or ww2 which was NOT religion based
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 19:41:15 GMT
mmm but the tunes are only one part of ONE religion ie christinanity.. err not really True there is lots of Christian music but Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and even Muslims all have their own music. And of course so do Rastafarian's! One Love!
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 19:43:35 GMT
Just a quick bit of Google found this: Approx (for obvious reasons) 809 million people have died in religious wars. doesnt suprise me in the least...this is from when...to when and what religions one could ask how many have died not in religious wars,,but have died from secullar wars..[ie wars not religion led]..ruwanda is an example...ghengis khans escapades [before islam]...the greek wars...the chinese wars....more recently the chinese/japanese war or ww2 which was NOT religion based 209 million have died in the name of Communism. Some 62 million died during World War II, civilian and military, on all sides. They need to go some to catch up to religious wars
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 19:50:13 GMT
But on a more serious note, religion is simply a manifestation of a faith. . is it i would question that.. perhaps its fear rather than faith...perhaps a mixture of the two or perhaps not the god of the desert peoples was the moon and one can understand why it was the moon...the blazing sun or the gentle and cooler moon which gave light to travel by..was that fear..was it faith or was it just thankfulness of toward a welcome object...and why was the moon translated into being femine godess[ithink we know],,the gods were male and female ...the mother figure in the main for the female..ill..aphrodite..mary twe and the authorative male..allah..zeus..thor not forgetting the younger male gods eros..etc
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 19:54:08 GMT
mmm but the tunes are only one part of ONE religion ie christinanity.. err not really True there is lots of Christian music but Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and even Muslims all have their own music. And of course so do Rastafarian's! One Love!
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Post by fretslider on Jul 21, 2010 19:59:18 GMT
Shhhhh, people will talk! and so they should Sweetie.
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 20:01:03 GMT
mmm but the tunes are only one part of ONE religion ie christinanity.. err not really True there is lots of Christian music but Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and even Muslims all have their own music. And of course so do Rastafarian's! One Love! Oh I was at christmas - but good tunes none the less from all religion - I even like Cat Stevens. Surely you must be aware of Bob Marley - I think he was quite popular!
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 20:01:04 GMT
doesnt suprise me in the least...this is from when...to when and what religions one could ask how many have died not in religious wars,,but have died from secullar wars..[ie wars not religion led]..ruwanda is an example...ghengis khans escapades [before islam]...the greek wars...the chinese wars....more recently the chinese/japanese war or ww2 which was NOT religion based 209 million have died in the name of Communism. Some 62 million died during World War II, civilian and military, on all sides. They need to go some to catch up to religious wars and all the other wars??? just out of interest...but of course as the population grow so do the numbers dont think communism comes under the umbrella of religion except in a modern 20th century explanitory sense ... or that footy is a religion which is a 20th centurty concept....certainly not in the way of the old gods pre the last thousand years
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 20:02:51 GMT
209 million have died in the name of Communism. Some 62 million died during World War II, civilian and military, on all sides. They need to go some to catch up to religious wars and all the other wars??? just out of interest...but of course as the population grow so do the numbers dont think communism comes under the umbrella of religion except in a modern 20th century explanitory sense ... or that footy is a religion which is a 20th centurty concept....certainly not in the way of the old gods pre the last thousand years Mouse - I think you have to accept that religious wars have killed far more people. Communisim and WW2 were examples of non religious wars I gave you - quite large conflicts but with way less loss of life.
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 20:03:38 GMT
music is forbidden in islam...like photography....of ciourse it happens,,dont you remeber the taliban
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 20:05:56 GMT
what religious music has cat stevens writen and yes bob marley...rasterfarian..my bad
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 20:46:42 GMT
what religious music has cat stevens writen and yes bob marley...rasterfarian..my bad he writes many an Islamic tune
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 20:56:33 GMT
music is forbidden in islam...like photography....of ciourse it happens,,dont you remeber the taliban Oh Mouse - get with the times! Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:
“Music is an issue that has been hotly debated by scholars of the past and the present. While many of them have been generally inclined to condemn all forms of music, with the singular exception of ad-duff (tambourine) in weddings, quite a few of them have taken a more positive approach of considering only music containing sensual, pagan, or unethical themes or subliminal messages as being categorically forbidden.
The latter view seems to be more consistent with the general nature of Islam, which is undoubtedly a complete way of life that caters to all of the genuine human instincts and needs within permissible limits. Thus, to say that all music is forbidden in Islam does not seem to agree with the balanced approach of Islam to issues of human life and experience.
Traditions often cited by the first group scholars to justify condemnation of all musical instruments and music, according to some scholars, are considered as either spurious, or phrased in such way solely because of their associations with drinking, dancing, and sensuality.
While everyone agrees that all forms of music that contain pagan, sensual themes, or subliminal messages are clearly forbidden, the latter group of scholars considers all forms of music free of such themes and messages as permissible.
As a matter of fact, we know from the authentic traditions that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, not only allowed music in the weddings but also listened to girls singing: While listening to girls singing on such an occasion, he interrupted them only once when they sang the following verse, “In our midst is a prophet who knows what will happen tomorrow”; whence, the Prophet, peace be upon him, told them, “Cut this sentence out, and continue singing what you have been singing earlier.” There is nothing in the sources to indicate that the above permission is limited to the occasion of wedding, as some people tend to think.
In light of these, according to the last mentioned group of scholars, music that is deemed to be free of un-Islamic and unethical themes and messages, the same is true of musical instruments so long as they are not used for the above, have been considered as permissible. So, as long as it not Devil music it's OK - hmmm reminds me of another religion......
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 21:21:37 GMT
music is forbidden in islam...like photography....of ciourse it happens,,dont you remeber the taliban Oh Mouse - get with the times! So, as long as it not Devil music it's OK - hmmm reminds me of another religion...... just testing [and the talibans STILL dont allow music...sad people but just in case....cat stevens DID NOT WRITE MORNING HAS BROKEN....it gets me soooooo anoyed that some people do think he actually wrote it we used to sing it at school before he was a twinkle in his fathers eye
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 21:25:10 GMT
however back to religionsssssssssssss.... fertility godesses...very much a part of most societies....mary of course being one of the most famous although the churches would be anoyed at the comparrison
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 23, 2010 0:22:59 GMT
My favorite religion would have to be the Holy Rollers in Oregon. Here's a link. www.icsahome.com/infoserv_bookreviews/bkrev_holyrollers.htmEdmund Creffield got it 'rolling' in Corvallis, Oregon in 1903. He succeeded in getting the local ladies to 'cast off their evil garments' and roll naked on the floor. Now that's a preacher with some imagination. Their husbands didn't like it though and he was eventually run out of town.
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Post by mouse on Jul 23, 2010 6:56:53 GMT
[/color] So, as long as it not Devil music it's OK - hmmm reminds me of another religion...... [/quote]considering the musical instruments of the time these edicts were given out one can understand why the clash of cymbals did not apeal same with materials.... talking of the devil i noticed in wednesdays telegraph and article where either malaya or indo nesian mudtis have said the man united shirt is the devils shirt because of its devil logo..and have banned the said item fans are reported to be furious
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