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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 9:10:49 GMT
is religion a load of pish or a social tool..your thought on this subject i am taking a chance and posting junes coment from another thread and my answer could be a good discussion on religions from our ealiest information up to the present day on the fors and againsts of religions their origins their uses their benfits their damages and their long term effects in fact enough to keep a good discussion for years if any one is so inclined
some of the art of religions is magnificent..done for the glory of god..to make statements etc others simply symbolic or created through primitive fear the cambodian temples..the alhambra of islam...st sophias of christianity the temples of india..cathederals and churches of europe...the churches of africa the great pyramids......even older stone henge..standing stones etc .. the bases of religion...the similarities between aboriginals and christianity...the moon worship of arabia ...the similiarities of the cresent shape and bull worship of mediterainian europe ...the importance of space to the azrecs and egyptians the idea of an overal god in charge...the female gods .....all good stuff
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 9:14:58 GMT
june wrote......
Like all organised religions there is a huge amount of interpretation and using some words in a book to justify your actions - I just feel all of man's religion is pish.
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 9:16:39 GMT
and i wrote in a very general way well i wouldnt go as far as saying all mans religions are pish but religion has i think served its purpose and its day although if a beliefe in god helps to calm or give comfort to some i have no problems with that.. its all the add ons i have a problem with religion was the crowd/social control of its day giving explanation to the then unexplainable...it gave reasons for being and living and was socially cohesive..and whay better to quell the populace who led crap lives with promise of better to come of all the religions or off shoots of religions the one most beneficial has been christian protestism and its ethics of hard work and giving back,of scholarship and improvement of the human condition and i think i say that without being partisan in any way .. of course there always has been great hypocracy..manipulation of man kind via religions which ever they were and today we have politos rather than priests..but its the same old..same old wrapped up as a different parcel....with different icons to worship....
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Post by fretslider on Jul 21, 2010 11:10:35 GMT
is religion a load of pish or a social tool..your thought on this subject i am taking a chance and posting junes coment from another thread and my answer could be a good discussion on religions from our ealiest information up to the present day on the fors and againsts of religions their origins their uses their benfits their damages and their long term effects in fact enough to keep a good discussion for years if any one is so inclined some of the art of religions is magnificent..done for the glory of god..to make statements etc others simply symbolic or created through primitive fear the cambodian temples..the alhambra of islam...st sophias of christianity the temples of india..cathederals and churches of europe...the churches of africa the great pyramids......even older stone henge..standing stones etc .. the bases of religion...the similarities between aboriginals and christianity...the moon worship of arabia ...the similiarities of the cresent shape and bull worship of mediterainian europe ...the importance of space to the azrecs and egyptians the idea of an overal god in charge...the female gods .....all good stuff Its a load of boolox. It is a means of social control and nothing more.
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Post by jade on Jul 21, 2010 12:22:09 GMT
Its a complete load of bollux
And a very effective social tool
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 13:34:17 GMT
so neither of you can see any advantages or good things that religions may have brought to human beings and neither can see that before the social control why religions were started and how ""the gods"" play a part in our every day lives what effect religion has had on mans advancement and non advancement had hoped for a discussion..ah well never mind
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 14:16:14 GMT
is religion a load of pish or a social tool..your thought on this subject i am taking a chance and posting junes coment from another thread and my answer could be a good discussion on religions from our ealiest information up to the present day on the fors and againsts of religions their origins their uses their benfits their damages and their long term effects in fact enough to keep a good discussion for years if any one is so inclined some of the art of religions is magnificent..done for the glory of god..to make statements etc others simply symbolic or created through primitive fear the cambodian temples..the alhambra of islam...st sophias of christianity the temples of india..cathederals and churches of europe...the churches of africa the great pyramids......even older stone henge..standing stones etc .. the bases of religion...the similarities between aboriginals and christianity...the moon worship of arabia ...the similiarities of the cresent shape and bull worship of mediterainian europe ...the importance of space to the azrecs and egyptians the idea of an overal god in charge...the female gods .....all good stuff Its a load of boolox. It is a means of social control and nothing more. On this issue the delightful fretty and I are as one ;D
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 14:26:11 GMT
so neither of you can see any advantages or good things that religions may have brought to human beings and neither can see that before the social control why religions were started and how ""the gods"" play a part in our every day lives what effect religion has had on mans advancement and non advancement had hoped for a discussion..ah well never mind some beautiful bulidings and some cracking tunes (espec at Christmas) but all that death balanced against the art inspired! No thank you.
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Post by Ben Lomond on Jul 21, 2010 15:25:49 GMT
"If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses. " Lenny Bruce .
Says it all, really!
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Post by Ben Lomond on Jul 21, 2010 15:39:12 GMT
But on a more serious note, religion is simply a manifestation of a faith. We are all human on this tiny planet, and yet there are hundreds of different "religions"; all of which are followed by devotees who simply KNOW that THEIR religion is the true one, and that all others are simply misguided. There have probably been more religious wars that any other cause, and millions have been killed in the name of one God or another. So to that extent, religion is a curse, and we would have been better off without it in the first place.
But then I listen to Mozarts "Requiem", or Bach's "St Matthew passion", or I contemplate a Botticelli, or a Reubens, or a Goya painting on a religious theme, and realise that religion can be a source of inspiration which brings out the best of mankind.
So "faith" is what matters far more than the object of veneration. I can, in one sense, envy the religious person, for they have a faith that is unshakable, and they know that there is an afterlife, and they cling to that certainty like a comfort blanket. Personally, I think that the idea of a supreme being ruling the cosmos is on a par with a tale from the brothers Grimm. Man makes Gods in his own image; and that image is too often flawed.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 21, 2010 16:30:54 GMT
This is a quote on religion from Karl Marx:
'Religion is the heart of a heartless world.'
No doubt that explains why he went on to found a religion of his own known as Marxism.
Let's ask ourselves WHY people believe in religion.
Are they all morons, gullible wimps or psychopathic sadists?
Religion is a way of looking at the world and recognising that it is a place of beauty, wonder, and mystery.
It's also a good way of providing a moral basis for people's behaviour.
When you add to that the great art, literature and music that it's inspired I don't think the balance sheet is as entirely negative as some people like to present it as.
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 19:08:56 GMT
i dont think its entirely negative either,,, some beautifuL buildings and some cracking tunes..mmm but the tunes are only one part of ONE religion ie christinanity.. christianity of course is much more than buildings ,,tunes and art...its also organisations such as the red cross....notable charities oxfam for example and ...prison reform..the sally army...the ending of slavery cracking buildings only in around 5 others religions what of the other religions...what of the earlier religions....why did they evolve..what messages... why are there such similarities in diverse places unconected with each other
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Post by fretslider on Jul 21, 2010 19:12:53 GMT
Its a load of boolox. It is a means of social control and nothing more. On this issue the delightful fretty and I are as one ;D Shhhhh, people will talk!
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 19:15:46 GMT
so death never happened in secular societies death only happened where there was religion..death is the province only of the abrahamic religions ......mmm i dont think so think of the mid east before the abrahamic religions were around..think of greece...india..china..europe..... the warring tribes of australia,,the pascific islands to put war totally on the shoulders of the abrahamic religions is a bit thick really and simply untrue
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Post by fretslider on Jul 21, 2010 19:14:47 GMT
"If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses. " Lenny Bruce . Says it all, really! Indeed it does. We have just discovered a star so massive it was hitherto thought impossible; greater than 250 masses of Sol. A hypernova in the making. Yet so many insist on believing in ancient fairy stories. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by fretslider on Jul 21, 2010 19:18:01 GMT
"to put war totally on the shoulders of the abrahamic religions is a bit thick really and simply untrue"
Its every bit as unbelievable as the abrahamic religions.
This Abraham dude has a lot to answer for.
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Post by mouse on Jul 21, 2010 19:20:59 GMT
and one of the biggest failings is the adherents add on things which were never intended.....in the first case... perhaps we were better with multiple gods..as the romans..greeks...celts...vikings had. a god for all seasons and all people doesnt seem to work
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 19:23:03 GMT
so death never happened in secular societies death only happened where there was religion..death is the province only of the abrahamic religions ......mmm i dont think so think of the mid east before the abrahamic religions were around..think of greece...india..china..europe..... the warring tribes of australia,,the pascific islands to put war totally on the shoulders of the abrahamic religions is a bit thick really and simply untrue Glad i didn't limit myself in such a way! ;D
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 19:26:28 GMT
Just a quick bit of Google found this:
Approx (for obvious reasons) 809 million people have died in religious wars.
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Post by june on Jul 21, 2010 19:27:45 GMT
On this issue the delightful fretty and I are as one ;D Shhhhh, people will talk! and so they should
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