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Post by aubrey on Aug 12, 2010 10:19:48 GMT
So what? Does that mean it is ok to treat some some people who might have descended from the people who did this in the same way? "He started it, Miss"?
I'll read A-brown. But I have no liking for Islam. It is is daft as any religion, with some bits (again, like any religion) that are worrying and scary.
But any answer to it - like "escorting them to the border" (golly, that sounds so nice, doesn't it? Like "Resettlement") ends up being evil. You're talking about people here, individual people, who are no better and no worse than any other individuals.
BA's ideal state, as he describes it, would be a fascist state (presumably Xtian fascist), which is every bit as bad as Sharia. And he wants to enstall this fascist state in answer to a threat which isn't even real. Is that what patriotism means?
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Post by riotgrrl on Aug 12, 2010 10:40:47 GMT
Mouse, you really are inconsistent.
Here you are, asking us all to agree with a writer condemning Wahabism. Can't think that anyone would have any problems whatsoever in agreeing with that article.
But you are the one who is always saying there is no such thing as moderate Islam, the one who spends hours expressing your hatred for the whole religion and every one of its adherents.
You would have the author of this article sent "home" and forbidden from practising her own religion.
I've never seen anyone in their right mind defend Wahabism.
What I have seen on tis thread is just people who are sick of your hatred for ALL Muslims and your endless, endless, endless hate-filled rants against it.
I'm so sick of the hate brigade trying to drag this board down into the same gutter that ruined boards like JSG.
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Post by randomvioce on Aug 12, 2010 11:11:30 GMT
Mouse, you're full of shit, you really are. Here you are, asking us all to agree with a writer condemning Wahabism. Can't think that anyone would have any problems whatsoever in agreeing with that article. But you are the one who is always saying there is no such thing as moderate Islam, the one who spends hours expressing your hatred for the whole religion and every one of its adherents. You would have the author of this article sent "home" and forbidden from practising her own religion. I've never seen anyone in their right mind defend Wahabism. Just people who are sick of your hatred for ALL Muslims and your endless, endless, endless hate-filled rants against it. I'm so sick of the hate brigade trying to drag this board down into the same gutter that ruined boards like JSG. I have said it before and I will say it again. We really need a new, password protected board for people who wish to rant on and on and on about Islam. This is one of the things that ruin a board, the other being people who piss on every thread, even when they have nothing to say on the subjects. The crime thread being a case in point. Here we have a perfectly good debate and when I attempt to tease out evidence for some of the stupider remarks, all we get is more crap. Poor old Aubrey is attempting to keep a debate on music going and all he gets back is a pile of 'I don't like rap, therefor it is CONCLUSIVELY not music'. We have tried to attract people with IQs above houseplants onto the board, but when they get here they have playground stuff to deal with.
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Post by fretslider on Aug 12, 2010 11:19:13 GMT
Mouse, you're full of shit, you really are. Here you are, asking us all to agree with a writer condemning Wahabism. Can't think that anyone would have any problems whatsoever in agreeing with that article. But you are the one who is always saying there is no such thing as moderate Islam, the one who spends hours expressing your hatred for the whole religion and every one of its adherents. You would have the author of this article sent "home" and forbidden from practising her own religion. I've never seen anyone in their right mind defend Wahabism. Just people who are sick of your hatred for ALL Muslims and your endless, endless, endless hate-filled rants against it. I'm so sick of the hate brigade trying to drag this board down into the same gutter that ruined boards like JSG. I have said it before and I will say it again. We really need a new, password protected board for people who wish to rant on and on and on about Islam. This is one of the things that ruin a board, the other being people who piss on every thread, even when they have nothing to say on the subjects. The crime thread being a case in point. Here we have a perfectly good debate and when I attempt to tease out evidence for some of the stupider remarks, all we get is more crap. Poor old Aubrey is attempting to keep a debate on music going and all he gets back is a pile of 'I don't like rap, therefor it is CONCLUSIVELY not music'. We have tried to attract people with IQs above houseplants onto the board, but when they get here they have playground stuff to deal with. So you want censorship, that comes as no surprise, RV. Aubrey is attempting to put words into the mouths of others, did that bit pass you by for some reason?
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Post by riotgrrl on Aug 12, 2010 11:20:51 GMT
I have said it before and I will say it again. We really need a new, password protected board for people who wish to rant on and on and on about Islam. This is one of the things that ruin a board, the other being people who piss on every thread, even when they have nothing to say on the subjects. The crime thread being a case in point. Here we have a perfectly good debate and when I attempt to tease out evidence for some of the stupider remarks, all we get is more crap. Poor old Aubrey is attempting to keep a debate on music going and all he gets back is a pile of 'I don't like rap, therefor it is CONCLUSIVELY not music'. We have tried to attract people with IQs above houseplants onto the board, but when they get here they have playground stuff to deal with. So you want censorship, that comes as no surprise, RV. Aubrey is attempting to put words into the mouths of others, did that bit pass you by for some reason? I think what RV wants is a board that is not filled with endless hate-filled droning on about Islam this and Islam this. Yes, yes, Wahabism is bad. Fundamentalism is a threat to our way of life. Nobody disagrees. Why do we need to have a daily hate? (EDITED TO ADD: I misquoted there. Orwell's 1984 talks of a 'two-minute hate', not a 'daily hate', but it amounts to the same thing.)
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Post by fretslider on Aug 12, 2010 11:37:35 GMT
So you want censorship, that comes as no surprise, RV. Aubrey is attempting to put words into the mouths of others, did that bit pass you by for some reason? I think what RV wants is a board that is not filled with endless hate-filled droning on about Islam this and Islam this. Yes, yes, Wahabism is bad. Fundamentalism is a threat to our way of life. Nobody disagrees. Why do we need to have a daily hate? (EDITED TO ADD: I misquoted there. Orwell's 1984 talks of a 'two-minute hate', not a 'daily hate', but it amounts to the same thing.) I don't say we should have a hate-in But if a thread's topic is not to your taste - I find the crime thing really boring - you can pass it by, can't you?
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 12, 2010 11:58:14 GMT
I have said it before and I will say it again. We really need a new, password protected board for people who wish to rant on and on and on about Islam. This is one of the things that ruin a board, the other being people who piss on every thread, even when they have nothing to say on the subjects. The crime thread being a case in point. Here we have a perfectly good debate and when I attempt to tease out evidence for some of the stupider remarks, all we get is more crap. Poor old Aubrey is attempting to keep a debate on music going and all he gets back is a pile of 'I don't like rap, therefor it is CONCLUSIVELY not music'. We have tried to attract people with IQs above houseplants onto the board, but when they get here they have playground stuff to deal with. So you want censorship, that comes as no surprise, RV. Aubrey is attempting to put words into the mouths of others, did that bit pass you by for some reason? it's apparently worrisome to have so many boots in his azz all the time. of course, the situation can be rectified by simply taking head out of sand of course, there seem to be quite a few folks who prefer to keep their heads in the sand
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Post by mouse on Aug 12, 2010 12:03:34 GMT
Mouse, you're full of shit, you really are. Here you are, asking us all to agree with a writer condemning Wahabism. Can't think that anyone would have any problems whatsoever in agreeing with that article. But you are the one who is always saying there is no such thing as moderate Islam, the one who spends hours expressing your hatred for the whole religion and every one of its adherents. You would have the author of this article sent "home" and forbidden from practising her own religion. I've never seen anyone in their right mind defend Wahabism. cWhat I have seen on tis thread is just people who are sick of your hatred for ALL Muslims and your endless, endless, endless hate-filled rants against it. I'm so sick of the hate brigade trying to drag this board down into the same gutter that ruined boards like JSG. and you my dear wallow in the stuff under the guise of liberalism...but there we are it takes all sorts ""What I have seen on tis thread is just people who are sick of your hatred for ALL Muslims and your endless, endless, endless hate-filled rants against it.""" what you have seen is what you have wished to see....as usual i have no hatred for individual muslims...nor hate filled rants against [one of the litterate obviously] i have said time and time again islam needs reformation.. pray tell why giving details such as the yellow cloth origin...how does that transfer in to a rant or hate..how does historical fact turn into hate or a rant....following islamic instruction is all conieniently placed on the saudis Wahabism.....shows a certain lack of understanding on this issue.....and deffinite lack of understanding of islamic little ways in all the centuries preceeding Wahabism. aliba brown knows as well as anyone what islam is about but she cannot be taken to task blamming Wahabism...it saves a whole lot of really looking at the history and the causes there is no such thing as moderate islam....what exists are moderate muslims...there is a difference you know or perhaps you didnt know thankfully we have people like sultan..hirsi..manji to show what islam is really like.... i also find it very strange you should have such anst about this discussion.....as no one forced you to partake perhaps it was the distain for the liberal agenda that caused such pain
Meanwhile, the liberal position is to let people be and do what they wish within the law. Liberals tolerate the intolerable because they don't have to live with the consequences. Yet the problem is in part caused by liberal values.
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Post by iamjumbo on Aug 12, 2010 12:07:18 GMT
Aubrey asked: "BA - so, in your ideal state, Muslims become sub-human. Would they have to wear something as well - like a yellow star, something like that?" No Aubrey. In my ideal state there wouldn't be any Muslims. Our immigration officers would escort them to the border or the airport. They would simply be evicted. So, cattle trucks and stars/sickles would come into it, then. Well, at least we know what kind of person we're dealing with. Tell me: underneath those hoods, do you have pointed heads as well? trying to perform as a monty python wannabe is not becoming to you.
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Post by randomvioce on Aug 12, 2010 12:06:23 GMT
So you want censorship, that comes as no surprise, RV. Aubrey is attempting to put words into the mouths of others, did that bit pass you by for some reason? Who wants censorship? I have not suggested that people hav to be stopped saying anything, I merely want the boards stopped from being clogged up with is non stop garbage. Not the same thing.
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Post by Big Lin on Aug 12, 2010 12:50:16 GMT
Come on, guys, stop it with the silliness, please!
Two or three recent posts on this thread have crossed the line and unless it stops I'll have to move it to Vendetta.
I've said it before but I'll say it again - attack the POST and NOT the poster!
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Post by riotgrrl on Aug 12, 2010 12:59:54 GMT
So, cattle trucks and stars/sickles would come into it, then. Well, at least we know what kind of person we're dealing with. Tell me: underneath those hoods, do you have pointed heads as well? trying to perform as a monty python wannabe is not becoming to you. Oh come off it Jumbo. Bushadmirer's contributions on this thread certainly do lead one to this kind of conclusion. The difference between his views and those of organisations like the KKK are not signficicant.
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Post by riotgrrl on Aug 12, 2010 13:02:08 GMT
Meanwhile, the liberal position is to let people be and do what they wish within the law. Yes. Outrageous, isn't it? Far better if we had the state tell us all what to be and what to do.
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Post by riotgrrl on Aug 12, 2010 13:02:40 GMT
Come on, guys, stop it with the silliness, please! Two or three recent posts on this thread have crossed the line and unless it stops I'll have to move it to Vendetta. I've said it before but I'll say it again - attack the POST and NOT the poster! Lin Some of us are decent human beings. Do you expect us to remain silent when we are reading garbage about deporting Muslims and the like? If we have posters who put forward these kind of horrific views, do you really expect us to treat the views with respect and worthy of debate and not attack the poster?
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Post by Big Lin on Aug 12, 2010 13:04:06 GMT
I've known Bush Admirer for around three years now and he certainly is NOT a racist or a supporter of the Klan.
We might disagree on lots but he's not that sort of person.
I'm getting rather fed up with the tone of recent posts on this thread.
I'm seriously thinking about moving it to Vendetta.
It's got nothing to do with censorship either.
It's beginning to derail this board.
If people just want to go in for bashing then they can take it to Vendetta.
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Post by riotgrrl on Aug 12, 2010 13:09:46 GMT
I've known Bush Admirer for around three years now and he certainly is NOT a racist or a supporter of the Klan. We might disagree on lots but he's not that sort of person. I'm getting rather fed up with the tone of recent posts on this thread. I'm seriously thinking about moving it to Vendetta. It's got nothing to do with censorship either. It's beginning to derail this board. If people just want to go in for bashing then they can take it to Vendetta. I only know Bushadmirer from what he posts on the board and, on the basis of the evidence I have, I can't honestly reach the same conclusion as you. Anyone who thinks that all people of a particular religion should be forcibly evicted from a country is clearly in the same bonkers-hate neighbourhood as the KKK. Please do move it to vendetta. And feel free to move the daily 'Here's why I hate Muslims' thread too. Then those of us who browse by doing 'last posts' don't have to wade through this rubbish every time we try to see if there's been anything of interest said on the board.
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Post by Big Lin on Aug 12, 2010 13:44:06 GMT
He posts a lot of stuff on a variety of different topics. For what it's worth he thinks that anyone who believes in ANY kind of religion is bonkers.
As far as this thread is concerned, I'm keeping a watching brief.
The same goes for one or two others.
I'm reluctant to Vendettaise stuff but sometimes there just seems no other way.
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Post by riotgrrl on Aug 12, 2010 13:52:18 GMT
He posts a lot of stuff on a variety of different topics. For what it's worth he thinks that anyone who believes in ANY kind of religion is bonkers. . As do I. But I do not suggest rounding up, say, all the Christians and deporting them forcibly. Or the Jews. Or the Sikhs, the Muslims or the Jedi Warriors.
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Post by Ben Lomond on Aug 12, 2010 16:05:50 GMT
Surely a board lives, or dies, by having disparate posters posting diverse opinions on any subject under the sun? And if some posters seem slightly xenophobic, or anti Islam, or anti Israel, or anti anything else, then so what? Either respond and criticise, or ignore their rants. Providing there are no vicious attacks of a personal nature, then all this talk of password protected venues is so much random nonsense.
THAT sort of reaction would be the sure way to ruin this, or any other board.
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Post by mouse on Aug 12, 2010 16:37:11 GMT
So what? Does that mean it is ok to treat some some people who might have descended from the people who did this in the same way? "He started it, Miss"? of course it doesnt mean its all right..what it means is..lets be factual just as i saw posted on another board that hitler was the first to use biological warfare and use the jews for experimentation..[and of course hitler was not the first]and i am no suporter of hitler or his regime... its about not adding to the mythology...about getting it right..about being factual...
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