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Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 16:45:50 GMT
Not a bad loser frets - just one that knows the rules Good luck with the guy fawkes thing tho - mind you what on earth would you rather have than the version of democracy that we have now? religious rulers hurling suicide bombers at each other? So you know the rules do you? He only stays there until the unelected one sends for Cameron. I'd rather have a real democracy - a federal state, an English parliament, proportionality, fixed term parliaments, an elected HoS, power of recall and petition and much more that this antique piece doesn't have. I could go on, but you get the picture, then again maybe you don't.
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Post by randomvioce on May 11, 2010 18:21:06 GMT
Like it or not, Brown has no moral right to continue. Moral? This is not about morals, Fretty. This is about the constitution. Members of the British Labour Party vote on English matters as they take the Labour whip. The SDLP also take the Labour whip and vote accordingly too. Every MP can vote on every issue. The SNP simply choose not to.
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Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 18:30:20 GMT
Like it or not, Brown has no moral right to continue. Moral? This is not about morals, Fretty. This is about the constitution. Members of the British Labour Party vote on English matters as they take the Labour whip. The SDLP also take the Labour whip and vote accordingly too. Every MP can vote on every issue. The SNP simply choose not to. What decade are you in, RV? What constitution? This is made up on the hoof. Yesterday's man has been overtaken by events!
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Post by randomvioce on May 11, 2010 18:59:11 GMT
Come on Fretty, not the 'no constitution' myth AGAIN. We do not have a discrete document called a 'constitution', but we do have rules that govern the Government. Poor old Cleggie, BTW, there he was overplaying his hand and he has had the rug pulled from under him again as Brown announced that Labour had pulled out of the bidding war! He has lost any barging chips he had.
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Post by Ben Lomond on May 11, 2010 19:12:56 GMT
So now Gordon has gone, and while I am no fan of his, I have to admit that he tendered his resignation in front of the worlds press with dignity. Wonder what job he has lined up for himself though? World bank? IMF? Something in Euroland? Perhaps he could work for Blair as a sort of treasurer of the millions? (only kidding).
And as I write, it appears that Cameron will be off to the palace momentarily to be anointed. We haven't got the details of the Liberal support pledge yet, but one assumes that their support will remain for a term, or a near term. Let us hope so. Now watch both the pound, and the stock market, resume an upwards thrust. But isn't it great to be rid at last of the most venal and useless administration this, or any other country has had to endure. Labour. R.I.P. (but not TOO much!)
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on May 11, 2010 20:12:06 GMT
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Post by june on May 11, 2010 21:39:35 GMT
why is that funny?
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Post by june on May 11, 2010 21:42:58 GMT
Come on Fretty, not the 'no constitution' myth AGAIN. We do not have a discrete document called a 'constitution', but we do have rules that govern the Government. Poor old Cleggie, BTW, there he was overplaying his hand and he has had the rug pulled from under him again as Brown announced that Labour had pulled out of the bidding war! He has lost any barging chips he had. what to do in a hung parliment IS actually one of the bits that is written down. Interesting times though! I hope we have another election within 18 months
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Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 21:56:55 GMT
Come on Fretty, not the 'no constitution' myth AGAIN. We do not have a discrete document called a 'constitution', but we do have rules that govern the Government. Poor old Cleggie, BTW, there he was overplaying his hand and he has had the rug pulled from under him again as Brown announced that Labour had pulled out of the bidding war! He has lost any barging chips he had. what to do in a hung parliment IS actually one of the bits that is written down. Interesting times though! I hope we have another election within 18 months A hung parliament requires lamp-posts and rope, nothing more.
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Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 21:58:42 GMT
Perhaps he could work for Blair as a sort of treasurer of the millions? (only kidding). Now, that would be funny (money)
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Post by june on May 11, 2010 22:15:59 GMT
what to do in a hung parliment IS actually one of the bits that is written down. Interesting times though! I hope we have another election within 18 months A hung parliament requires lamp-posts and rope, nothing more. Ah you favour the Italian system ;D
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on May 12, 2010 0:07:52 GMT
Nice to see England dumping the Labour Party and bringing back the Tories. That's what I would call 'forward progress.'
Let's hope our American electorate will dump Obama and the Democrats too. That would be real progress.
Too bad we can't bring back GW Bush and Tony Blair. I liked Tony but he was in the wrong party.
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Post by riotgrrl on May 12, 2010 7:08:49 GMT
Nice to see England dumping the Labour Party and bringing back the Tories. That's what I would call 'forward progress.' Let's hope our American electorate will dump Obama and the Democrats too. That would be real progress. Too bad we can't bring back GW Bush and Tony Blair. I liked Tony but he was in the wrong party. And what do you think Scotland did? Or are you one of those total ignoramuses who can't distinguish between 'England' and the 'UK'. This was a UK election, not an English one. Poor old England is the only member state of the UK without its own Parliament, so the UK Parliament has to legislate for English matters, with the Scots, Irish & Welsh MPs having a say. Slip of the pen Bushad, or genuine ignorance?
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Post by fretslider on May 12, 2010 7:51:01 GMT
A hung parliament requires lamp-posts and rope, nothing more. Ah you favour the Italian system ;D Si, preferisco io la moda Italiana. Anche tu?
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Post by fretslider on May 12, 2010 7:52:17 GMT
Nice to see England dumping the Labour Party and bringing back the Tories. That's what I would call 'forward progress.' Let's hope our American electorate will dump Obama and the Democrats too. That would be real progress. Too bad we can't bring back GW Bush and Tony Blair. I liked Tony but he was in the wrong party. And what do you think Scotland did? Or are you one of those total ignoramuses who can't distinguish between 'England' and the 'UK'. This was a UK election, not an English one. Poor old England is the only member state of the UK without its own Parliament, so the UK Parliament has to legislate for English matters, with the Scots, Irish & Welsh MPs having a say. Slip of the pen Bushad, or genuine ignorance? Scotland voted for money, who wouldn't!
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Post by mouse on May 12, 2010 8:29:35 GMT
the will of the people gave the conservatives a majority vote and majority of elected....that was the will of the people o mouse no no they didn't no it wasn't a majority of MP.s the majority of votes cast........first past the post a win is a win and that is the will of the people just because the loosers would join together does not negate the fact that the majority voted for the conservatives....
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Post by mouse on May 12, 2010 8:40:59 GMT
Nice to see England dumping the Labour Party and bringing back the Tories. That's what I would call 'forward progress.' Let's hope our American electorate will dump Obama and the Democrats too. That would be real progress. Too bad we can't bring back GW Bush and Tony Blair. I liked Tony but he was in the wrong party. in actual fact England did dump labour where scotland dumped the conservatives..so your right on that one but this election was not about ENGLAND or SCOTLAND but a general election for the whole of the UK bring back tony bliar..only to hang the little bastard anyway thank heavens the rabble are gone..the oily straw..the odious balls...harriet the horrible and yob prescott.... now lets see what this merry band of brothers can or cannot do..and how they do it...at least they dont apear to hate the country or the people..which is a step in the right direction but its going to be hard going..the country is in dire straights and some unpleasantness will have to be faced the sooner the better for all of us
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Post by fretslider on May 12, 2010 9:55:14 GMT
Come on Fretty, not the 'no constitution' myth AGAIN. We do not have a discrete document called a 'constitution', but we do have rules that govern the Government. Poor old Cleggie, BTW, there he was overplaying his hand and he has had the rug pulled from under him again as Brown announced that Labour had pulled out of the bidding war! He has lost any barging chips he had. RV, unlike the constitution in America or the proposed European Constitution, the British constitution is referred to as an uncodified constitution in the sense that there is no single document that can be classed as Britain's constitution. Its scattered and incomplete, hence the need to make it up as they go along where a precedent does not exist. Are you with me so far? Good. I disagree, Clegg sounded Labour out, fair enough, but be honest; Brown fell on his sword in a cynical attempt to block a LibDem-Tory coalition. It wasn't about anything other than the interests of the Labour party. Fortunately, even Labour still has some principles and it was obvious that a LibDem-Labour minority coalition was completely unacceptable. Now it is time to concentrate fire on the new administration.
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Post by mouse on May 12, 2010 9:59:02 GMT
even SOME memebers of the labour party still have principles......very few came out and showed those principles...but those who did..well done them among those who didnt have principles apear to be those who will try for the labour leadership..more the pity
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Post by jean on May 12, 2010 10:19:47 GMT
...first past the post a win is a win... At constituency level, yes. At parliamentary level, no.
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