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Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 11:24:30 GMT
Is there any hope for Labour? Gordon's cynical move hasn't gone down well at all, so maybe there might just be!
A ministerial source said: "This is obscene. We have to accept that we did not win the election. We lost it. Let's get real."
Another ministerial source said: "It strikes me this is all about giving Gordon another six months in the job."
Labour opposition to a deal with the Liberal Democrats is growing.
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Post by jade on May 11, 2010 11:59:21 GMT
a cyncial type with little or no morals would advise labour to gracefully step aside, allow the next (brutal) thing to happen and storm back to power with an unchallengeable majority for the next generation.
It is to their credit that they cannot bear to let the tories loose on the people who, to them, matter
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Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 12:31:20 GMT
So its cynical to give way to the party - like them or not - with the most votes and most seats. What a funny planet you live on.
You are Hazel Blears, I claim my prize.
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Post by mouse on May 11, 2010 12:47:10 GMT
It is to their credit that they cannot bear to let the tories loose on the people who, to them, matter i would hasve thought it obvious that the people matter not a whit or a jot...only power matters hear also what st blunnkett says...I LURVE THE ""EVERY HARLOT IN HISTORY"" just about sums up the balls..cambells..harmans while real politos like frank field and others are sidelined Bunkett warns against Lib-Lab deal David Blunkett has warned Labour against a 'coalition of the defeated' David Blunkett has warned that any "coalition of the defeated" would spell electoral disaster for the Labour Party, and accused the Liberal Democrats of acting like "every harlot in history". The former home secretary said that, if the party continued to refuse to listen to the electorate, it would "lose very badly" at the next general election. Asked about the prospects of a Labour coalition with the Lib Dems, Mr Blunkett told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "I don't like what is taking place at all."
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Post by jade on May 11, 2010 12:48:36 GMT
The way of integrity is to continue, as they are doing, to see who can form a government
More cynical would be to run from the hill, howling at the ones you have left behind to prey on the weak, in order that your return is acclaimed with wonder
I live on planet earth, in my country of England, where is the place you hail from, that has no regard for the will of the people?
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Post by Ben Lomond on May 11, 2010 12:48:55 GMT
a cyncial type with little or no morals would advise labour to gracefully step aside, allow the next (brutal) thing to happen and storm back to power with an unchallengeable majority for the next generation. It is to their credit that they cannot bear to let the tories loose on the people who, to them, matter A cynic might point out that this is what Labour does best; sacrificing leader, and policies in a desperate attempt to retain power. And the people that matter (the electorate) might expect that as the conservatives got over 2,000,000 more votes than Labour, and won the election by any normal reckoning, they should now be in government. A cynic might also point out that Cleggie appears to have become rather power crazy, playing off one side against the other for personal gain, rather than for the good of the nation. If he sides with Labour, and we have a government of the losers, it will not last for a full term, as even then that unholy cabal will not have an overall majority. Cleggie might well consider that if he goes this way, the Liberals will pay a price when the next election comes round; which will be sooner rather than later. What I would like Cameron to do now is to head a minority government, and dare the others to bring it down. Call their bluff, in effect, for neither labour, nor the Liberals are in any position to run another election campaign.
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Post by mouse on May 11, 2010 12:51:36 GMT
So its cynical to give way to the party - like them or not - with the most votes and most seats. What a funny planet you live on. You are Hazel Blears, I claim my prize. agree fret 100%...desparate men and women clinging on for dear life..what LITTLE people they are...but what self serving dangerous rabble they are and willing to throw their leader to the wolves for power at any price..when only a few days ago pledging him suport..
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Post by mouse on May 11, 2010 12:57:01 GMT
The way of integrity is to continue, , where is the place you hail from, that has no regard for the will of the people? integrity...what integrity ? you say integrity is to continue..continue what???am afraid integrity and the likes of ball..harman..milipede etc etc are alien concepts the will of the people gave the conservatives a majority vote and majority of elected....that was the will of the people
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Post by mouse on May 11, 2010 13:01:49 GMT
exactly...or call another election....let em all go for broke...am sure the unions can aford a few more millions to suport broon[as he hasnt gone yet..but is to go at some ? future date] just call another lection we have heard all the tripe they all spout
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Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 13:33:28 GMT
The way of integrity is to continue, as they are doing, to see who can form a government More cynical would be to run from the hill, howling at the ones you have left behind to prey on the weak, in order that your return is acclaimed with wonder I live on planet earth, in my country of England, where is the place you hail from, that has no regard for the will of the people? You have a bizarre idea of what constitutes integrity. Its pretty obvious that you're Zanu Labour, hell I can't stand the system or the parties in it, but I do know who got most votes and seats. So the parties who came second and third reflect the will of the people, do they. Nice try, Hazel, but even you know that's rubbish
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Post by randomvioce on May 11, 2010 13:48:12 GMT
Conservatives got over 2,000,000 more votes than Labour, and won the election by any normal reckoning, they should now be in government. Remember though, Ned, we do not elect a government on the popular vote, we run a FPTP system, not a ‘nearest the post system’. To win an election you need to win more seats then everyone else put together, merely winning the biggest block of seats is not sufficient. Call their bluff, in effect, for neither labour, nor the Liberals are in any position to run another election campaign. Thus hastening the day that we have state funded political parties. Whatever the rights and wrong of our political system, it cannot be right that an election can be decided by default, just because those fighting elections cannot afford it. There is something distasteful that a non-dom millionaire can effectively attempt to buy an election for any party.
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Post by randomvioce on May 11, 2010 13:51:04 GMT
So the parties who came second and third reflect the will of the people, do they. If the Parties who were 2nd, 3rd and 10th can comand a majority whereas the 1st cannot, I cannot see a problem.
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Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 13:55:39 GMT
So the parties who came second and third reflect the will of the people, do they. If the Parties who were 2nd, 3rd and 10th can comand a majority whereas the 1st cannot, I cannot see a problem. The majority party gets first go, if that fails then the others get a shot. Have you considered what price the PC and SNP will exact for supporting Lib/Lab. You do know Lib/Lab are also a minority don't you.
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Post by jade on May 11, 2010 14:27:33 GMT
the will of the people gave the conservatives a majority vote and majority of elected....that was the will of the people o mouse no no they didn't no it wasn't
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Post by jade on May 11, 2010 14:30:11 GMT
or call another election....let em all go for broke...am sure the unions can aford a few more millions to suport broon[as he hasnt gone yet..but is to go at some ? future date] just call another lection we have heard all the tripe they all spout Mouse If I asked you what you would like for dinner and you said "shepherd's pie please" and I asked you again, and again and again wouldn't you just think I wanted you to say something other than "speherd's pie"? What is shepherd pie was preicsely what you wanted Why would you change your mind just because I kept asking? Wouldn't you get a bit racked off with me for aksing you over again what you wanted when you had clearly told me the first time?
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Post by randomvioce on May 11, 2010 14:32:08 GMT
The majority party gets first go, if that fails then the others get a shot. No, not true. The incumbant gets first go, if he fails then the others get a go. We have been playing with these rules since way back. Clegg short circuited that and gave Cameron the chance to secure a majority, so far he has failed to do so. If he cannot, but the Lib Dems/Labour et al can, then what is the problem? The SNP do not vote in English only matters and will be unlikely to join a formal agreement other than a confidence and supply motion.
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Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 15:06:18 GMT
The majority party gets first go, if that fails then the others get a shot. No, not true. The incumbant gets first go, if he fails then the others get a go. We have been playing with these rules since way back. Clegg short circuited that and gave Cameron the chance to secure a majority, so far he has failed to do so. If he cannot, but the Lib Dems/Labour et al can, then what is the problem? The SNP do not vote in English only matters and will be unlikely to join a formal agreement other than a confidence and supply motion. Like it or not, Brown has no moral right to continue. He stays there only until the Tories are ready to try a minority government if they cannot get a deal. Labour Scots vote on English matters and you're forgetting that the SNP have a wish list, even on a confidence and supply ticket. Face it RV, the party's over.
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Post by jade on May 11, 2010 15:14:30 GMT
He may not, in your view, have a moral right to continue but he does have a constitutional one
in the eyes of the BNP no black or Asian MP has a moral right to hold office but in mine they do
Just because the votes do not reflect your own world view fretty there is no reason to consider it immoral
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Post by fretslider on May 11, 2010 15:22:22 GMT
He may not, in your view, have a moral right to continue but he does have a constitutional one in the eyes of the BNP no black or Asian MP has a moral right to hold office but in mine they do Just because the votes do not reflect your own world view fretty there is no reason to consider it immoral He doesn't, hello jade, earth calling - even labour knows it. The BNP didn't win any seats, not relevant at all You are a bad loser. I'm still for blowing the bally lot of 'em up - all parties
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Post by jade on May 11, 2010 15:45:52 GMT
Not a bad loser frets - just one that knows the rules
Good luck with the guy fawkes thing tho - mind you what on earth would you rather have than the version of democracy that we have now? religious rulers hurling suicide bombers at each other?
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