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Post by mouse on May 8, 2010 10:19:24 GMT
i see the squatter is still in residence.....while the economy goes even further down what dont they understand...
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Post by mouse on May 8, 2010 21:25:17 GMT
and now the welsh/scots nationalists want to stand by labour....says it all doesnt it even gordon may realise that is a step too far
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Post by Big Lin on May 8, 2010 22:03:40 GMT
It's NOT a question of opportunism for the Lib Dems to be seriously considering a coalition with the Tories.
It's a mixture of two things actually, political realism (not necessarily the same thing at all as opportunism) and a genuine acceptance that Cameron, as leader of the largest party, has the moral right for first attempt to form a workable government.
I think a Tory-Lib Dem coalition is a great idea. It will stop the lunatic extremists in the Tories from putting their most insane ideas into practice and it will stop the Europhiles in the Lib Dems from inflicting yet more Brusselsmania into our government.
I think it will work and it ought to work.
The Tories have been coy for the last four years about ANY sort of principle - we haven't got much of a clue WHAT they stand for other than protecting welfare bums like Ashcroft and Goldsmith.
We know FAR more about what the Lib Dems stand for.
A Cameron/Clegg coalition will be a GOOD thing for Britain!
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Post by fretslider on May 8, 2010 22:11:09 GMT
It's NOT a question of opportunism for the Lib Dems to be seriously considering a coalition with the Tories. It's a mixture of two things actually, political realism (not necessarily the same thing at all as opportunism) and a genuine acceptance that Cameron, as leader of the largest party, has the moral right for first attempt to form a workable government. I think a Tory-Lib Dem coalition is a great idea. It will stop the lunatic extremists in the Tories from putting their most insane ideas into practice and it will stop the Europhiles in the Lib Dems from inflicting yet more Brusselsmania into our government. I think it will work and it ought to work. The Tories have been coy for the last four years about ANY sort of principle - we haven't got much of a clue WHAT they stand for other than protecting welfare bums like Ashcroft and Goldsmith. We know FAR more about what the Lib Dems stand for. A Cameron/Clegg coalition will be a GOOD thing for Britain! Its a very good thing for Salmond too. I bet he's rubbing his hands.
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Post by june on May 8, 2010 23:24:11 GMT
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
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Post by mouse on May 9, 2010 8:50:36 GMT
It's NOT a question of opportunism for the Lib Dems to be seriously considering a coalition with the Tories. It's a mixture of two things actually, political realism (not necessarily the same thing at all as opportunism) I think a Tory-Lib Dem coalition is a great idea. It will stop the lunatic extremists in the Tories from putting their most insane ideas into practice and it will stop the Europhiles in the Lib Dems from inflicting yet more Brusselsmania into our government. I think it will work and it ought to work. protecting welfare bums like Ashcroft and Goldsmith. A Cameron/Clegg coalition will be a GOOD thing for Britain! i agree it could be a good thing...but the word is ..could... we shall have to see still dont get how ashcroft or goldsmith are welfare bums..please explain and i lurve the .insane .lunatic extreemists of the conservatives yet the libs are simply europhiles ;D bit of bias showing there lin... there has to be a reason the libs havent been a political giant for the last 80 odd years ;D..wouldnt you say ;D
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Post by Ben Lomond on May 9, 2010 18:44:39 GMT
I think that all three parties are already considering the campaign they will run in the next election, which will almost certainly be within 18 months. I also think that Cameron and Clegg will hatch a temporary alliance that will enable Cameron to become PM, and introduce his first years programme in the Queens Speech without the Libs voting him down. But minority governments, and alliances are at best ephemeral things, and I really cannot see ANY party lasting a full term under a hung parliament.
And as Labour are now strapped for cash, it has to be wondered whether the unions can replenish their war chest in time.
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Post by mouse on May 11, 2010 8:04:09 GMT
i didnt think i could have any deeper contempt for our elected but this last few days have plumbed the deepest depths...so brown is going SOME TIME..and millipede is backed to suceed him ughghghgh darling has made us liable for another 8 billion to prop up the euro salmon is making clucking noices on the side along with the taffys..both trying to big them selves up and the lib dems are running round in circles trying to do deals[no matter how unsavoury] the conservatives are being very quiet..too quiet considering they actually won the most seats and the greater number of votes event though one of the libdums came on telly and had the brass face to come out with the statement of the century..he said """that together labour and the dums had the greater proportion of the vote.... well that is actually true but under the present rules for two losers to join together is not the way its done perhaps it would be better to let labour and the libs join together and bury the country and its people once and for all........democracy anyone......i dont think so
i really didnt think we could sink any further...obviously i was wrong
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Post by jade on May 11, 2010 8:46:09 GMT
sorry you didn't get the result you wanted mouse. Try not to be bitter.
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Post by mouse on May 11, 2010 10:13:45 GMT
sorry you didn't get the result you wanted mouse. Try not to be bitter. lordy its not about what I WANT...far far from it....it comes down to what the MAJORITY VOTE FOR not about individuals as for bitter nah more despair at the dealing and jocking for power i could have lived with a labour victory wouldnt have been ideal imo but if they had gained the seats and the votes...that is the way of it.. ...but this scramble is beyond contempt...when did two losers ever think they had a mandate ???and the libs playing one off against another is not even giveing a nod to so called pretend democracy. elections should be what is BEST and who is best to govern for the country overall in the opinion of the people....not open season for losers to cut a deal i just find the whole thing a disgracful episode..
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Post by mouse on May 11, 2010 10:38:47 GMT
perhaps we should hang every third mp...it wold certainly concentrate their minds on our national problems rather than their party problems
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Post by jade on May 11, 2010 11:10:45 GMT
lordy its not about what I WANT...far far from it....it comes down to what the MAJORITY VOTE FOR not about individuals .. and the majority voted for precisely what we have now a bit of a mess
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Post by mouse on May 11, 2010 13:03:22 GMT
lordy its not about what I WANT...far far from it....it comes down to what the MAJORITY VOTE FOR not about individuals .. and the majority voted for precisely what we have now a bit of a mess they did ?? how so ??the conservatives got majority votes and majority elected
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Post by jade on May 11, 2010 14:25:14 GMT
no - they got the most of any single party
Not a majority, which is the whole point
If they had a majority they would have formed a Government by now.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on May 11, 2010 23:54:10 GMT
Congrats to the UK for bringing back the Tories and dumping the Labour party.
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Post by jean on May 12, 2010 7:53:42 GMT
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Post by mouse on May 12, 2010 8:50:27 GMT
all very emotive... the reality is that who ever had been elected times will be very very difficult....we have huge debt national and personal ..a fractured population and society ..millions out of work..and an over burdened welfare system.....our problems are monumental and have to be adressed we are inches away from being greece.....and next year will have the largest debt in europe..we are falling to bits.....to adress this will be HARD on every one..but the sooner the problems are begun to be adressed the better we had the good times and squandered them now its time to face the piper and pay the bill....lets get real
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Post by mouse on May 12, 2010 8:55:24 GMT
no - they got the most of any single party Not a majority, which is the whole point If they had a majority they would have formed a Government by now. please tell me how they didnt get a majority they got more votes and more MP,s than labour they got more votes and more MP,s than the liberals they got more votes and more mp,s than the greens..independents and any others how does that turn into not having a majority ??.......what you mean is they dont have a majority when the other parties join together....not quite the same as actually losing
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Post by jean on May 12, 2010 9:05:21 GMT
...what you mean is they dont have a majority when the other parties join together....not quite the same as actually losing In practice it is the same thing, since they cannot form a government alone without the probability of being outvoted in Parliament every time a vote is taken.
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Post by mouse on May 12, 2010 9:14:36 GMT
AH THE PROBABILITY....very true but non the less they could have formed a legitimate and legal government......it would have been interesting but not good for the country anyway..its now part of history and we shall see what we shall see
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