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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 3, 2009 12:10:14 GMT
Jesus Christ's parable of the vineyard is in my opinion almost overwhelming evidence that Jesus did support or accept the death penalty at least in some cases! It would be very strange and contradictory for an anti to use such a parable with the death penalty being so self-evident as a punishment! In at least one other of Christ's parable the death penalty is mentioned in a matter of fact manner as it is here.. www.usccb.org/nab/bible/mark/mark12.htm Quote; Chapter 12 1 He ( Jesus ) began to speak to them in parables. "A man planted a vineyard, put a hedge around it, dug a wine press, and built a tower. Then he leased it to tenant farmers and left on a journey. 2 At the proper time he sent a servant to the tenants to obtain from them some of the produce of the vineyard. 3 But they seized him, beat him, and sent him away empty-handed. 4 Again he sent them another servant. And that one they beat over the head and treated shamefully. 5 He sent yet another whom they killed. So, too, many others; some they beat, others they killed. 6 He had one other to send, a beloved son. He sent him to them last of all, thinking, 'They will respect my son.' 7 But those tenants said to one another, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.' 8 So they seized him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard. 9 What (then) will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come, put the tenants to death, and give the vineyard to others.OldHippieDude
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Post by trubble on Feb 3, 2009 12:23:17 GMT
Seems to me that the story is meant to reflect the treatment by mankind of God's prophets. Nothing to do with the DP whatsoever.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 4, 2011 2:18:30 GMT
Christ's enigmatic parable of the 10 Minas also ends with a death sentence to those who refused to accept the King. This seems to further strengthen the case that Jesus Christ at least accepted or tolerated the death penalty in society! bible.cc/luke/19-27.htm JESUS CHRIST QUOTE: New International Version (©1984) But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"
New Living Translation (©2007) And as for these enemies of mine who didn't want me to be their king--bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.'"
English Standard Version (©2001) But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”
New American Standard Bible (©1995) "But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_talents_or_minas
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Post by jihu on Oct 4, 2011 6:16:55 GMT
In my lifetime, as a baptized Catholic, I seen the Catholic religion go from pro DP to anti DP. Obviously, the interpretation of the Holy Bible is argumentative. I am no longer a practicing Catholic, but the other Christian religions are mixed as far as opinions on the DP.
From a non-religious point of view, I see capital punishment as common sense. An executed murderer will never commit the act of murder again.
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Post by jean on Oct 4, 2011 7:34:24 GMT
Burt we also find
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
That doesn't sound like an endorsement of the DP to me.
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Post by alanseago on Oct 4, 2011 8:57:15 GMT
Should a Christian court have sentenced Amanda Knox to death four years ago?
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Post by maggie on Oct 4, 2011 18:11:15 GMT
I thought Jesus taught love and forgiveness, not the death penalty.
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Post by Big Lin on Oct 4, 2011 19:58:08 GMT
You know, this is one of the hardest moral dilemmas for me.
I am a Christian and temperamantally I feel I ought to be against the death penalty.
On the other hand I'm human and weak.
Christ told us to forgive our enemies and those who did us wrong.
If we take that literally it's not just the death penalty but ANY kind of punishment for any crime we'd have to let go unpunished.
Rapists, batterers and muggers would get away with it.
I may be weak but I think we have to have some kind of human justice before we all come before the higher court of Our Heavenly Father.
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Post by pipsqueak on Oct 4, 2011 21:16:35 GMT
jesus was a revolutionary figure who taught love in place of the harsh retribution and anger of the old testament. he never wrote a word so we have only the gospels to rely on what he said and did.
when a woman was brought before him guilty of adultery (punishable by the death penalty) he said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" (john 8:3-11).
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 4, 2011 21:45:54 GMT
You know, this is one of the hardest moral dilemmas for me. I am a Christian and temperamantally I feel I ought to be against the death penalty. On the other hand I'm human and weak. Christ told us to forgive our enemies and those who did us wrong. If we take that literally it's not just the death penalty but ANY kind of punishment for any crime we'd have to let go unpunished. Rapists, batterers and muggers would get away with it. I may be weak but I think we have to have some kind of human justice before we all come before the higher court of Our Heavenly Father. Dearest Lin, Christ spoke of the good seeds and the bad seeds in Matthew 13. He was quite clear that the bad seeds originated from Satan so we can assumed that they have demonic souls and we should keep our distance from them. Should they commit capital murder we execute them! bible.cc/matthew/7-6.htm QUOTE: New International Version "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. Christ was always very loving towards people with potentially good souls who were misled by others or by themselves. Jean in her last post here quoted very appropriately on how Christ wants us to deal with the 2nd and larger group of wrongdoers!
although he did also say, "judge ye not lest ye be judged".oh dear i'm so sorry Anna. i see i've yet to learn the new layout of the buttons. i have inadvertant clicked 'modify post' instead of quoting your post in a completely separate reply from me.
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Post by pipsqueak on Oct 4, 2011 21:58:42 GMT
You know, this is one of the hardest moral dilemmas for me. I am a Christian and temperamantally I feel I ought to be against the death penalty. On the other hand I'm human and weak. Christ told us to forgive our enemies and those who did us wrong. If we take that literally it's not just the death penalty but ANY kind of punishment for any crime we'd have to let go unpunished. Rapists, batterers and muggers would get away with it. I may be weak but I think we have to have some kind of human justice before we all come before the higher court of Our Heavenly Father. Dearest Lin, Christ spoke of the good seeds and the bad seeds in Matthew 13. He was quite clear that the bad seeds originated from Satan so we can assumed that they have demonic souls and we should keep our distance from them. Should they commit capital murder we execute them! bible.cc/matthew/7-6.htm QUOTE: New International Version "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. Christ was always very loving towards people with potentially good souls who were misled by others or by themselves. Jean in her last post here quoted very appropriately on how Christ wants us to deal with the 2nd and larger group of wrongdoers!
although jesus also said " judge ye not lest ye be judged".
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 4, 2011 22:50:10 GMT
Dearest Lin, Christ spoke of the good seeds and the bad seeds in Matthew 13. He was quite clear that the bad seeds originated from Satan so we can assumed that they have demonic souls and we should keep our distance from them. Should they commit capital murder we execute them! bible.cc/matthew/7-6.htm QUOTE: New International Version "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. Christ was always very loving towards people with potentially good souls who were misled by others or by themselves. Jean in her last post here quoted very appropriately on how Christ wants us to deal with the 2nd and larger group of wrongdoers!
although jesus also said " judge ye not lest ye be judged". Dearest Pipsqueak! It's not humanely possible to be a flawless Christian! Either we are too tolerant towards evil or we are judgmental! It's not humanely possible to find the middle ground between being the salt of the earth as Christ commanded. Harsh and bitter holding back corruption and decay as salt did to perserve the goods that were perishable in Christ's time or be the loving judge not lest you be judged person.
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Post by arizonavet1 on Oct 25, 2011 19:55:27 GMT
Seems to me that the story is meant to reflect the treatment by mankind of God's prophets. Nothing to do with the DP whatsoever. Any time you espouse putting anyone to death, by the law of the land (or religion).... it has everything to do with the death penalty. God DEMANDED.....ordered....all the captured kings of the Philistines to be put to death. Israeli Kings that did not execute as ordered were punished themselves. No doubt what ever....all over the Bible....the death penalty was not only condoned...but ordered!
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Post by arizonavet1 on Oct 25, 2011 19:56:29 GMT
In my lifetime, as a baptized Catholic, I seen the Catholic religion go from pro DP to anti DP. Obviously, the interpretation of the Holy Bible is argumentative. I am no longer a practicing Catholic, but the other Christian religions are mixed as far as opinions on the DP. From a non-religious point of view, I see capital punishment as common sense. An executed murderer will never commit the act of murder again. Very good Jihu...
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