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Post by Mo-DAWG on Apr 19, 2010 21:38:56 GMT
oh no please dont let this depress you Fret ..thats not why i pointed it out .. i pointed it out to make people aware of things so we might be able to change things through our choices .. Ah, but therein lies the secret, Mo. Brown promised a referendum and promptly went back on his promise. We had no choice. This country is the least democratic of all, even Iraq has more democracy than we do. Now there's a laugh. just like Germany, Fret ... dictator Kohl wanted the shit and the peoples wish was ignored ... Europe might be a lot but its sure not really democratic .. fuck these politicians ..
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Post by fretslider on Apr 19, 2010 21:41:57 GMT
Ah, but therein lies the secret, Mo. Brown promised a referendum and promptly went back on his promise. We had no choice. This country is the least democratic of all, even Iraq has more democracy than we do. Now there's a laugh. just like Germany, Fret ... dictator Kohl wanted the shit and the peoples wish was ignored ... Europe might be a lot but its sure not really democratic .. fuck these politicians .. Some bits of Europe are OK, but none are as bad as the UK
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Apr 19, 2010 21:59:25 GMT
just like Germany, Fret ... dictator Kohl wanted the shit and the peoples wish was ignored ... Europe might be a lot but its sure not really democratic .. fuck these politicians .. Some bits of Europe are OK, but none are as bad as the UK Germany is NO better than the UK .. (except for the inbred parasite royals that live on taxpayers expenses.. they dont have those in Germany)
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Post by fretslider on Apr 19, 2010 22:06:12 GMT
Some bits of Europe are OK, but none are as bad as the UK Germany is NO better than the UK .. (except for the inbred parasite royals that live on taxpayers expenses.. they dont have those in Germany) I would say Germany is better, I like it very much - especially the Frankfurt area. They have an economy that was able to absorb the old DDR. The UK couldn't have done that, mind you we've absorbed a lot of Pakistan!
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Apr 19, 2010 22:28:18 GMT
Germany is NO better than the UK .. (except for the inbred parasite royals that live on taxpayers expenses.. they dont have those in Germany) I would say Germany is better, I like it very much - especially the Frankfurt area. They have an economy that was able to absorb the old DDR. The UK couldn't have done that, mind you we've absorbed a lot of Pakistan! naaaaw they werent really able to absorb the old DDR .. thats why Germany still keeps rising taxes to insane heights..
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 19, 2010 23:24:24 GMT
Part of my family has settled in Switzerland .. we have a home there ... sometimes im wondering if Switzerland is the last real Democracy left in the world.. the people are being asked to vote before the government makes important decisions .. its all in the people's hands .. another reason why Switzerland never agreed and never will agree to that fucking EU dictatorshit.... Hi MoDAWG - I remember you from another board long ago where my handle was DAS. Good to see you here. That may be good for Switzerland but it's too late for countries like France or Sweden to take that approach. If they did, their ever expanding Muslim populations would soon be the majority. Women would be required to wear burkas, men beards, and they'd be looking at Sharia law before long.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Apr 19, 2010 23:44:30 GMT
Part of my family has settled in Switzerland .. we have a home there ... sometimes im wondering if Switzerland is the last real Democracy left in the world.. the people are being asked to vote before the government makes important decisions .. its all in the people's hands .. another reason why Switzerland never agreed and never will agree to that fucking EU dictatorshit.... Hi MoDAWG - I remember you from another board long ago where my handle was DAS. Good to see you here. That may be good for Switzerland but it's too late for countries like France or Sweden to take that approach. If they did, their ever expanding Muslim populations would soon be the majority. Women would be required to wear burkas, men beards, and they'd be looking at Sharia law before long. Hi BA/DAS ... yes i do remember you but it must be loooong ago true.. in Switzerland we never allowed over populations of muslims and other immigrants to a point where they were able to dictate rules.. (just look at all the hassle with the mosques we had in Switzerland when our people voted against mosques .. being accused of being anti muslim/racist which is NOT the case .. Switzerland is Switzerland and NOT Mekka and since La Suisse lives of off tourism too we cant and do not want tons of mosques there .. besides: Switzerland is a free country which means that every immigrant who doesnt like to live there or doesnt find the living conditions he wants/needs is FREE TO LEAVE .. period.. bottom line is: the Swiss people do not want Mosques in their country and its their right to make this choice since it's THEIR country .. + if Switzerland is "so racist and anti muslim" then im wondering why those muslims who feel that way dont leave "that awful country" .. i would if i felt that way about a country ..
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Post by fretslider on Apr 20, 2010 7:49:21 GMT
I would say Germany is better, I like it very much - especially the Frankfurt area. They have an economy that was able to absorb the old DDR. The UK couldn't have done that, mind you we've absorbed a lot of Pakistan! They are still way better off than the third world UK, Mo - that's a fact! naaaaw they werent really able to absorb the old DDR .. thats why Germany still keeps rising taxes to insane heights..
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Post by mouse on Apr 20, 2010 8:54:41 GMT
exactly...its not for a country to acomadate immigrants but for immigrants to acomadate the norms of the country they have CHOSEN to foist them selves on
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Post by pumpkinette on Apr 20, 2010 14:46:06 GMT
since 2000 we have turned into a terrorist nation ourselves, lead by war criminals who spread lies to control the oil in the middle east .. and then some of us still seem surprised that even a high percentage of europeans hates and scorns us.. we are guilty of these war crimes too cuz we willingly took orders and made ourselves to obdient drones for these war criminals Unfortunately, SOME in US government doing terrorist stuff, etc. has happened before 2000: the STAGED Gulf of Tonkin incident; JFK assasination; the evil interference in the governments of other countries, etc. Speaking of that AND of oil, check out what SOME in US government did to Iran in the 1950's: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tatUnfortunately, this evil has gone on BEFORE Dubya came in. Dubya was just the LATEST stooge in 2000 doing the evil of the 1's above him that too many in the mainstream media constantly ignore. It's great to see you on here, by the way! Love you, take care. ;D
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 21, 2010 22:02:48 GMT
Mouse said, "exactly...its not for a country to acomadate immigrants but for immigrants to acomadate the norms of the country they have CHOSEN to foist them selves on"
That's exactly how it should be Mouse, but that's not how it is. In California, for example, decision making about immigrants is dispersed amongst state, municipal, and other government agencies. There is no consistency. Sometimes they can get on welfare, enroll in taxpayer supported schools, get a USA driver's licence, and otherwise game the system.
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Post by fretslider on Apr 21, 2010 22:08:41 GMT
Mouse said, "exactly...its not for a country to acomadate immigrants but for immigrants to acomadate the norms of the country they have CHOSEN to foist them selves on" That's exactly how it should be Mouse, but that's not how it is. In California, for example, decision making about immigrants is dispersed amongst state, municipal, and other government agencies. There is no consistency. Sometimes they can get on welfare, enroll in taxpayer supported schools, get a USA driver's licence, and otherwise game the system. According to RV if we don't bend over backwards to be shafted we are muslim bashing
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Post by sadie1263 on Apr 21, 2010 22:20:27 GMT
Ok.....while we bash the US, the UK and a few other countries.........can anyone name a country that gets it right?
Everyone bashes the US for everything......but they sure love taking our money and our help when their butt is in a crack.
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Post by fretslider on Apr 21, 2010 22:22:10 GMT
Ok.....while we bash the US, the UK and a few other countries.........can anyone name a country that gets it right? Everyone bashes the US for everything......but they sure love taking our money and our help when their butt is in a crack. Italy
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Post by sadie1263 on Apr 21, 2010 23:42:58 GMT
Italy....interesting......why do you believe they get it right?
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Post by mouse on Apr 22, 2010 6:36:46 GMT
Italy....interesting......why do you believe they get it right? because they have a clear out every now and then...but only after an admirals wive has been raped...odd that init
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Post by beth on Apr 22, 2010 22:13:24 GMT
I wonder whether they have a mainstream media that comes even close to ours in terms of trying to stimulate as much sensationalism as possible by pitting political parties against each other. IMO, that, as much as anything, causes us to bumble around over and over. "When in trouble, when in doubt - run in circles, scream and shout."
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Post by Big Lin on Apr 22, 2010 22:16:37 GMT
They just rearrange the deckchairs on the Titanic in Italy with more style, that's all.
Prodi, Berlucsconi - who can trust either one of them?
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Post by fretslider on Apr 22, 2010 22:21:53 GMT
Italy....interesting......why do you believe they get it right? They don't allow the tail to wag the dog, as they say when in Rome... You have to adapt to their way of doing things - and of course, e necessario per tutii a parlare in italiano, non ci sono i servizi come qui in Inghilterra. Out of work or infirm? Then the family is the first line of support, not the state.
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Post by fretslider on Apr 22, 2010 22:24:08 GMT
I wonder whether they have a mainstream media that comes even close to ours in terms of trying to stimulate as much sensationalism as possible by pitting political parties against each other. IMO, that, as much as anything, causes us to bumble around over and over. "When in trouble, when in doubt - run in circles, scream and shout." Berlusconi owns Mediaset Berlusconi controls RAI, it has little if any independence. Italians are drip fed what he wants them to know/think.
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